No absolutes?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You've oviously never opened the Koran, since it claims that it is indeed the book of the god of Abraham, and comdems worshiping visible things like the sun and moon.

No, I have read the Qu'ran (Koran). But Allah is not the god of Abraham (YWHW) is.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the only absolute is that there are no absolutes. i think this takes care of your problem jia{and is it me or are you mellowing?}.

btw, nice to have you back. 🙂 {n no, im not being sarcastic if thas what ur thinking}

But if you affirm that there are no absolutes then you are saying in essence that there is an absolute: no absolutes. Get it? Your statement that there are no absolutes becomes an absolute statement. So there is an absolute, the "no absolute" is the absolute.

But in reference to Christianity unbelievers claim that there are no absolutes.

So have you contradicted yourself?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I have read the Qu'ran (Koran).

Bullshit, otherwise your posts would show that you have.

FYI: Reading a few verses on the internet doesn't count, I'm talking actually reading it from cover to cover.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Bullshit, otherwise your posts would show that you have.

FYI: Reading a few verses on the internet doesn't count, I'm talking actually reading it from cover to cover.

Queiro Mota, have you read either the Bible or Qu'ran from cover to cover?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Queiro Mota, have you read either the Bible or Qu'ran from cover to cover?

Yes, both. Why?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yes, both. Why?

I didn't believe that you did so I asked.

absolutes are the sign of the dark side.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
absolutes are the sign of the dark side.

So then there is an absolute as long as Christians do not say so?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So then there is an absolute as long as Christians do not say so?

Not "say so", but not if they act like they know what it is.

Sorry if the sentence didn't come out right. 😮

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So then there is an absolute as long as Christians do not say so?

But you make a logical mistake her. You are talking about Christians saying there is an absolute truth, while we talk about Christians claiming what that absolute is. Different issues.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I have read the Qu'ran (Koran). But Allah is not the god of Abraham (YWHW) is.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Allah, MUSLIM NAME FOR THE SUPREME BEING. The term is a contraction of the Arabic al-llah,"the God." Both the idea and the word existed in pre-Islamic Arabian tradition, in which some evidence of a primitive monotheism can also be found. Although they recognized other, lesser gods, the pre-Islamic Arabs recognized Allah as the supreme God.
The complete name of Allah before it is contracted to the shorter form, is "AL-ILAH." "ILAH" is the masculine root word for Allah, or "god", in Arabic. "AL ILAT" is the feminine resulting in Allat. (Hitti, Philip, History of The Arabs, London, 1950, 8)

Allah its not a 'Muslim' name for a God, its an Arabic name, since it existed before Islam. Christian Arabs use Allah to refer to God, as they have no other word.
However if a non-Arab refers to God as Allah is generally understood as Islamic God.

Arabic language borrows a great deal from Hebrew.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But if you affirm that there are no absolutes then you are saying in essence that there is an absolute: no absolutes. Get it? Your statement that there are no absolutes becomes an absolute statement. So there is an absolute, the "no absolute" is the absolute.

But in reference to Christianity unbelievers claim that there are no absolutes.

So have you contradicted yourself?

not at all. i affirm there is only one absolute. that {with the exception of the absolute implied in this statement i.e. that without fail their are no absolutes} there are no absolutes outside this statements.

its a confusion caused by the limitation of language more than the content of this text.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Allah its not a 'Muslim' name for a God, its an Arabic name, since it existed before Islam. Christian Arabs use Allah to refer to God, as they have no other word.
However if a non-Arab refers to God as Allah is generally understood as Islamic God.

Arabic language borrows a great deal from Hebrew.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
absolutes are the sign of the dark side.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes. 😛

Supreme Chancellor: Good is a point of view, Anakin. The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.... The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

not at all. i affirm there is only one absolute. that {with the exception of the absolute implied in this statement i.e. that without fail their are no absolutes} there are no absolutes outside this statements.

There are no absolutes.

No, there is only one absolute:
"There are no absolutes."

No, now there are two absolutes:
"There is only one absolute."
"There are no absolutes."
Okay, so there are only two absolutes.

No, now there are three absolutes:
"There are only two absolutes."
"There is only one absolute."
"There are no absolutes."
Okay, there are only three absolutes.

No, now there are four absolutes...

You get the picture.

its a confusion caused by the limitation of language more than the content of this text.

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Originally posted by Mindship
There are no absolutes.

No, there is only one absolute:
"There are no absolutes."

No, now there are two absolutes:
"There is only one absolute."
"There are no absolutes."
Okay, so there are only two absolutes.

No, now there are three absolutes:
"There are only two absolutes."
"There is only one absolute."
"There are no absolutes."
Okay, there are only three absolutes.

No, now there are four absolutes...

You get the picture.

Sounds like another absolute. 😈

Absolutely wrong. 😱 😆

JIA, a few questions:

1. Do you believe the Bible to be an absolute? Or just the God the Bible talks about?

2. If you believe the Bible to be absolute truth - which version is it - or is it just the original Greek & Hebrew with faulty man-made translations?

3. Is it possible that YWHW and Allah are the same God, but viewed by different perspectives (remember until Isaac and Ishmael, Christians consider Jews and Muslims to have been the same group of people)?

I have more questions about your belief in hell, but I'll save them for later - or maybe a more appropraite thread...