The Concept of No Afterlife

It is no secret, that many Atheists beleive that when we die nothing happens. We simply no longer exist. There is no afterlife, what-so-ever. We just cease to be, and new things are born and they too will die with nothing happening afterwards.

I am not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. I do not consider myself "religious", even though I adhere to Buddhism and Theories on the Law of Attraction.

However, I beleive the Idea that Nothing happens after we Die to be JUST AS FALSE as the beleif in Heaven and Hell after death.

This is why:

Matter and Energy cannot be Created or Destroyed. All States are Temporary, and the only constant is Change.

Ask yourself: If you do not beleive in a Soul or Spirit, or cosmic signature, etc....take a look at yourself. Are you static? Are you Unchanging? Is there any part of yourself which Does not change?

Clearly, the answer is No.

You are EVER CHANGING. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, mentality, emotions, size, skin color, features, shape, etc. Everything changes. As you grow, you change.

IN FACT: Every Six Months every cell in your body is replace by a new cell, through the process of Mitosis.

So, there is nothing about you that is permanent (other than your name, but even that can change). You are not the same person when you die as you were when you were born.

Note This: The atoms that make up your body are billions of years old. They have existed far before you came into being. And when you die, those atoms will still exist forever on. The energy you consist of always existed before you did, and will still exist even after you die.

After you die, your body and the energy of your mind will exist in other forms. You don't simply CEASE TO BE. Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so how the hell can you possibly stop existing?.

There is no stop in the course of nature. Everything continues, and all states are temporary. All states change.

Life may very well be one of those states. Many beleive Death is just a part of the Life Cycle, and we all know that death contributes to allowing new life to continue.

Your body and mind continue existance in different forms. Remember that. You will STILL EXIST after death, but in other form(s). Whether you experience new life or not, is another question. Whatever the "Afterlife" is, we may not know.

But we do know, that you don't just delete from existance. You don't just cease to be. It's scientifically impossible to just stop existing. Saying that nothing happens after death defies the Laws of Physics.

Change is the Only Constant. Everything in the Universe doesn't just begin or end. It always changes. Why would we be any different ?

Change is a really, really hard concept considering that in a 4 dimensional space, with time being the 4th axis everything is static.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
It is no secret, that many [b]Atheists beleive that when we die nothing happens. We simply no longer exist. There is no afterlife, what-so-ever. We just cease to be, and new things are born and they too will die with nothing happening afterwards.

I am not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. I do not consider myself "religious", even though I adhere to Buddhism and Theories on the Law of Attraction.

However, I beleive the Idea that Nothing happens after we Die to be JUST AS FALSE as the beleif in Heaven and Hell after death.

This is why:

Matter and Energy cannot be Created or Destroyed. All States are Temporary, and the only constant is Change.

Ask yourself: If you do not beleive in a Soul or Spirit, or cosmic signature, etc....take a look at yourself. Are you static? Are you Unchanging? Is there any part of yourself which Does not change?

Clearly, the answer is No.

You are EVER CHANGING. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, mentality, emotions, size, skin color, features, shape, etc. Everything changes. As you grow, you change.

IN FACT: Every Six Months every cell in your body is replace by a new cell, through the process of Mitosis.

So, there is nothing about you that is permanent (other than your name, but even that can change). You are not the same person when you die as you were when you were born.

Note This: The atoms that make up your body are billions of years old. They have existed far before you came into being. And when you die, those atoms will still exist forever on. The energy you consist of always existed before you did, and will still exist even after you die.

After you die, your body and the energy of your mind will exist in other forms. You don't simply CEASE TO BE. Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so how the hell can you possibly stop existing?.

There is no stop in the course of nature. Everything continues, and all states are temporary. All states change.

Life may very well be one of those states. Many beleive Death is just a part of the Life Cycle, and we all know that death contributes to allowing new life to continue.

Your body and mind continue existance in different forms. Remember that. You will STILL EXIST after death, but in other form(s). Whether you experience new life or not, is another question. Whatever the "Afterlife" is, we may not know.

But we do know, that you don't just delete from existance. You don't just cease to be. It's scientifically impossible to just stop existing. Saying that nothing happens after death defies the Laws of Physics.

Change is the Only Constant. Everything in the Universe doesn't just begin or end. It always changes. Why would we be any different ? [/B]

This is really just a longwinded way of saying that the water you're bathing in might once have been Jesus' piss isn't it?

It's hardly relevant to say that the matter/energy in your body won't be destroyed since consciousness ends and there is no afterlife to experience. Which if you think about it is the exact same thing as not having an afterlife.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
It is no secret, that many [b]Atheists beleive that when we die nothing happens. We simply no longer exist. There is no afterlife, what-so-ever. We just cease to be, and new things are born and they too will die with nothing happening afterwards. [/B]

Be careful with stuff like this. Atheism doesn't equal materialism. The former is a non-belief in a creator. The latter is a non-belief in anything that would be considered paranormal. It might be true that the majority of atheists believe this, but the terms shouldn't be used interchangably.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Matter and Energy cannot be Created or Destroyed.

It seems this law is often violated at the quantum level.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
All States are Temporary, and the only constant is Change.

Cliché?

[QUOTE=9550885]Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
IN FACT: Every Six Months every cell in your body is replace by a new cell, through the process of Mitosis. [/B]

In fact, this is incorrect.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
After you die, your body and the energy of your mind will exist in other forms. You don't simply [b]CEASE TO BE. Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so how the hell can you possibly stop existing?. [/B]

What the f*ck is "energy of the mind?"

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Your body and mind continue existance in different forms. Remember that. [b]You will STILL EXIST after death, but in other form(s). Whether you experience new life or not, is another question. Whatever the "Afterlife" is, we may not know.[/B]

Horray more religion! If you, change form...then are you really you? I doubt you consider cow sh*t to be the same as the grass it ate.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
It's [b]scientifically impossible to just stop existing. Saying that nothing happens after death defies the Laws of Physics.[/B]

One might reccomend learning the laws of physics first before one tries to tell others what they are.

And enoguht of this science bullcrap. You're simply co-opting a greater authority to lend credibility to your swiss cheese of an argument. Existance is a perception created by your brain. Once the brain dies, your perception of yourself goes with it.

Lolz.

...generally agreeing with Alliance. I've only briefly heard the energy stuff concerning quantum particles, but if memory serves I read an article on astrophysics that used such phenomenon as a possible starting point for the universe, since "non-existence" is an unstable state (strange as it seems intuitively), so there was a quantum phase shift which created the first particles of our universe.

It's the same reason the pocket of non-existence scientists recently found in space is so startling...not just because of it's size and location, but simply because it is statistically improbable that it could exist.

As for cells being replaced, it's more like 7 years for the cells in your body to be replaced, and longer for brain cells. It's an amusing anecdote for "you are what you eat" advocates....though I'm not really sure why it would have any religious significance.

I also agree with everyhing Alliance said.

the problem with using the fact that our mlecules/energy{as in ability to do work, as in force x distance moved in direction of the force} is that our BEING is more dependant on the intigration of matter/energy into constructs as opposed to the matter itself. theres nuthing unique about the matter that makes us up physically, infcat take any other molecule and put it in the same place and state that the previous isotope of the same elemnt was and ud be no more changed or destroyed than a second before. technically, looking at it in a basic physical way, way exist because of the CONFIGURATION of the matter/energy inside us and wud cease to be if that configuration was disassembled.

ur also using different definition of enegry than the physical one. energy of the BRAIN or life energy or psionic energy is NOT the same as the potential/kinetic energy of real/virtual particles due to their velocity or place in a forcefield.

on the other hand though, ive seen enough things to have a good reason to think that we might have a soul not completely dependant or part of our PHYSICAL MAKEUP. which could/would endure even after our physical body is dead. it is energy as defined in traditional english language{e.g. auras/radiance/adrenaline/excitation/ether/vibe etc} but not energy as defined by current physics.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it is energy as defined in traditional english language{e.g. auras/radiance/adrenaline/excitation/ether/vibe etc} but not energy as defined by current physics.

Very well put.

And yay I have the support of the athiest lobby. 😂

People want to beleive that they'll live forever, in some form or another. I say we return to whence we came...nada.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
It is no secret, that many [b]Atheists beleive that when we die nothing happens. We simply no longer exist. There is no afterlife, what-so-ever. We just cease to be, and new things are born and they too will die with nothing happening afterwards.

I am not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. I do not consider myself "religious", even though I adhere to Buddhism and Theories on the Law of Attraction.

However, I beleive the Idea that Nothing happens after we Die to be JUST AS FALSE as the beleif in Heaven and Hell after death.

This is why:

Matter and Energy cannot be Created or Destroyed. All States are Temporary, and the only constant is Change.

Ask yourself: If you do not beleive in a Soul or Spirit, or cosmic signature, etc....take a look at yourself. Are you static? Are you Unchanging? Is there any part of yourself which Does not change?

Clearly, the answer is No.

You are EVER CHANGING. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, mentality, emotions, size, skin color, features, shape, etc. Everything changes. As you grow, you change.

IN FACT: Every Six Months every cell in your body is replace by a new cell, through the process of Mitosis.

So, there is nothing about you that is permanent (other than your name, but even that can change). You are not the same person when you die as you were when you were born.

Note This: The atoms that make up your body are billions of years old. They have existed far before you came into being. And when you die, those atoms will still exist forever on. The energy you consist of always existed before you did, and will still exist even after you die.

After you die, your body and the energy of your mind will exist in other forms. You don't simply CEASE TO BE. Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so how the hell can you possibly stop existing?.

There is no stop in the course of nature. Everything continues, and all states are temporary. All states change.

Life may very well be one of those states. Many beleive Death is just a part of the Life Cycle, and we all know that death contributes to allowing new life to continue.

Your body and mind continue existance in different forms. Remember that. You will STILL EXIST after death, but in other form(s). Whether you experience new life or not, is another question. Whatever the "Afterlife" is, we may not know.

But we do know, that you don't just delete from existance. You don't just cease to be. It's scientifically impossible to just stop existing. Saying that nothing happens after death defies the Laws of Physics.

Change is the Only Constant. Everything in the Universe doesn't just begin or end. It always changes. Why would we be any different ? [/B]

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Atheism doesn't equal materialism.

Are you sure about that? I've never met and atheist who believes in ghosts, chi, or demons.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Are you sure about that? I've never met and atheist who believes in ghosts, chi, or demons.

Well, you probably have. They just don't call themself athests.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Are you sure about that? I've never met and atheist who believes in ghosts, chi, or demons.

So...what was you point about materialism?

Originally posted by Alliance
Very well put.

And yay I have the support of the athiest lobby. 😂

no, i dont nearly have as much spite in me as you. n no, im an agnostic with atheistic inclinations on the concept of a traditional yet consistant god. otherwise i can get quite spiritual, and even superstitous, at times when im not dealing with arguments which require blatant sceptecism and logic.

simply put, spite, cinicism and hate is becoming an unhealthy part of materialistic "atheism"/agnostism. we dhud take materialism out of it as its giving it a not so tolerant and loving reputation at a personal level.

I do not personally beleive that any afterlike that may or may not exist after this one will have any relation to the past one, if afterlives even exist.

However, the problem becomes defining what the "self" is.

We obviously have no memory of any life prior to this one.

My point is, the matter and energy that we consist of does not simply stop existing. If Alliance would like to argue that the matter and energy we are created from does become destroyed, once we die, then by all means I invite him to do so.

As for Lord xyz, no I wasn't trying to shove Buddhism down your throats. The Reincarnation Cycle of Life is simply a beleif, not a fact, and if it sounded like I was trying to push that, then I apologize.

But I do not beleive that "nothing happens" after we die. There are numerous processes which occur with the material we are created from after we die, the same way all those atoms we consist of have been elsewhere before they became us.

Technically false.

It seems this law is often violated at the quantum level.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Are you sure about that? I've never met and atheist who believes in ghosts, chi, or demons.

I did concede that it might be likely that most atheists are materialists, but a differentiation should still be made. Technically, buddhists could be considered atheistic in their philosophy, but that doesn't mean they believe in nothing spiritual/paranormal.

As for chi, ghosts, and demons, those are some of the more easily debunked phenomenon that would be covered under "materialism". Personally, I'm darn close to materialism, but manage to cling to a few scattered beliefs not because I want to comfort myself but because they're backed by empirical data that is difficult to explain by other means. Reincarnation is an example, though I don't consider it a concrete "belief", simply a possible after-death scenario....though even that seems less likely to me than simply "nothing" that constitutes most atheistic belief.

Originally posted by Alliance
And yay I have the support of the athiest lobby. 😂

Is that what we're calling ourselves?

😂

I approve. 31

Oh NOOOOOOOO, last year we were being over run by Buddhists, now this year it's Atheists??

cry

Originally posted by debbiejo
Oh NOOOOOOOO, last year we were being over run by Buddhists, now this year it's Atheists??

cry

I think I considered myself Buddhist briefly last year.

As Digi goes, so goes KMC!

*converts to nihilism*

*then Pokemon-ism*

*dark laughter*