Music Downloading Programs

Originally posted by Scythe
I am however, a big fan of buying musician's work directly from their website or club. You see, during the entire creation of any album, a band's percentage is only so much because the cost of the cd is split between the people who produced it, equipment cost, materials, graphical art, band manager, the actual label who put it out and after all is said and done, some band's recieve eleven to twenty cents per cd sold. However buying it directly from the band, ensures that they recieve most of the bill.

But ultimately making sure they receive payment for it is what matters.

-AC

I'll admit it, I download illegally. Though, to make me feel less guilty, I go out and buy the CD. Every CD that is on my computer, is in my CD Case in my car. I mainly download for the iTunes extras. I am so against iTunes, and if my favorite artists put out a "iTunes only" song, I want that song.

Originally posted by InnerRise
Never been a big fan of music to the point where I want to buy the CD, at least not in America.

I buy all of my Japanese CDs though.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

I was just surprised by the first posts. People casually mentioning their ways of downloading music.

Originally posted by Secretus
Hahaha,

I bet you have something to do with the music industry.

Why take this so personal?

Who cares, CD's are over prised anyway ..

It's not personal, it's something I dislike that nobody can successfully defend.

CDs are over-priced? Do you want to know why?

Well, first off, you can get CDs for dirt cheap nowadays, some of them brand new. I just preordered some albums coming out on Monday for £8 each.

But if over-pricing is your argument, why do you think that is? Stores lower them to convince people to buy them, or hike them up to make up the prices for people who DON'T buy them, and steal them instead.

Use your noggin.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I get your point about stealing services from the musicians, but still, it's right there at our fingertips, and it's so damn easy to do. I just have a hard time feeling sorry for the musicians.

If you're referring to the age old, extremely tired, cliche and wrong perception of "They're all rich, it doesn't matter.", leave it at the door.

Musicians are usually the last people to get paid for their work, unless you're The Rolling Stones (And I still don't condone downloading from ANY artist), which is precisely why it's important to buy from them.

Hardly anyone else would do a lifetime job for free, why should musicians?

Originally posted by Reverend Axel
I'll admit it, I download illegally. Though, to make me feel less guilty, I go out and buy the CD. Every CD that is on my computer, is in my CD Case in my car. I mainly download for the iTunes extras. I am so against iTunes, and if my favorite artists put out a "iTunes only" song, I want that song.

My issues with illegal downloading, on a moral side, I cannot expect people to agree with as it's subjective.

As long as the music is bought in the end, I have no real issue. I'd love it if everyone waited to hear it as the musician intended, to get the complete art package, but if that's not gonna happen AT LEAST pay for the shit in the end.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A coupon that the restaurant have endorsed, distributed and allowed with permission from...themselves?

Take it.

It's not a matter of me being against stuff being free. It's a matter of stealing things, totally different issue.

You are stealing music against the musicians' will, I would not be stealing from the restaurant by using a free coupon THEY distributed themselves.

It's not about "difficulty" is it? As you prove every time you post. It's about you simply not wanting to pay.

In the time you've taken to type these replies, you could register for Amazon, Play, Play Asia etc. Any number of store sites.

It's not a matter of "easy", and you prove that. It's you just trying to find as many ways out of paying for shit as you can. You want to own it, but you don't wanna pay. You're lazy and you're a thief.

I'm not a lazy thief, well actually I am. But my point that it's easier to click "Download" than all the Amazon stuff is still valid. Besides, watch the South Park episode about illegal downlaods. The artists already have enough money. And downloading music makes them more known.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So again, it's not about "ease" is it? If you'd go into a music store and purposefully steal CDs, it proves even more that you just don't want to pay.

What do you work as?

-AC

Originally posted by Secretus
Hahaha,

I bet you have something to do with the music industry.

Why take this so personal?

Who cares, CD's are over prised anyway ..

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's easier to type than register.

Well you're quite clearly either a weasel or a man so lazy that if I think about it any longer I'll get depressed.

It takes hardly any real effort to register for these things.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm not a lazy thief, well actually I am. But my point that it's easier to click "Download" than all the Amazon stuff is still valid. Besides, watch the South Park episode about illegal downlaods. The artists already have enough money. And downloading music makes them more known.

It's not valid at all. Ease is not working, Lord. First you said it was easier than traditional stores, so I presented the idea of online purchasing. Then you brought the argument of how it takes too much effort to register, when you are on KMC every single day putting effort into making posts, frivolous or otherwise, in which case you could have registered with a million and one sites, and then it's done, no more registering or typing. Just clicking.

That's a bullshit argument. They artists already have enough money?

A) Unless you are The Rolling Stones or whatever, downloading music has an effect. Small or large, an effect.

B) Who cares? It's not about making sure they are rich, it's about respect. Paying for things you want to own. I know that's an alien concept, but there you go, I'm a thinker like that.

Downloading music has its plus sides, sure. Like you said, exposure, but as Rev said, at least BUY the stuff you like. If you like it, support these people.

Originally posted by lord xyz
N-no. I usually steal because I can't be arsed waiting in line. But yeah, not paying is good.

Then you're an idiot, not much more need be said.

-AC

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes.

Yes what?

He does/would steal from a store.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well you're quite clearly either a weasel or a man so lazy that if I think about it any longer I'll get depressed.

It takes hardly any real effort to register for these things.

It's not valid at all. Ease is not working, Lord. First you said it was easier than traditional stores, so I presented the idea of online purchasing. Then you brought the argument of how it takes too much effort to register, when you are on KMC every single day putting effort into making posts, frivolous or otherwise, in which case you could have registered with a million and one sites, and then it's done, no more registering or typing. Just clicking.

That's a bullshit argument. They artists already have enough money?

A) Unless you are The Rolling Stones or whatever, downloading music has an effect. Small or large, an effect.

B) Who cares? It's not about making sure they are rich, it's about respect. Paying for things you want to own. I know that's an alien concept, but there you go, I'm a thinker like that.

Downloading music has its plus sides, sure. Like you said, exposure, but as Rev said, at least BUY the stuff you like. If you like it, support these people.

Then you're an idiot, not much more need be said.

-AC

Gonna go to bed aswell. Tis night time!

It's free shit. Everyone who has the oppurtunity to get free shit is gonna take advantage, that's all there is to it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's free shit. Everyone who has the oppurtunity to get free shit is gonna take advantage, that's all there is to it.

Do you wanna go a step further and tell me how that's relevant?

It's not free in the sense you believe it is. You've already likened it to a free coupon, which is totally inaccurate.

Would you steal from a store? No. Stealing online is the same, it's as bad, or possiblyt worse. It's just easier to get away with and harder to trace. There's a difference between something being "free" and something being easy to steal.

Free samples in a deli are "free", illegal music is as free as the tv the guy just stole from your living room.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do you wanna go a step further and tell me how that's relevant?

It's not free in the sense you believe it is. You've already likened it to a free coupon, which is totally inaccurate.

Would you steal from a store? No. Stealing online is the same, it's as bad, it's just easier to get away with and harder to trace. There's a difference between something being "free" and something being easy to steal.

Free samples in a deli are "free", illegal music is as free as the tv the guy just stole from your living room.

-AC

tell me....what's the punishment if I download Metallica right here, right now?

I don't download mp3 I buy CDs

Spoiler:
really

Spoiler:
haermm

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
tell me....what's the punishment if I download Metallica right here, right now?

That is EXACTLY my point.

There is a punishment, it's just harder to apply because there are way too many people doing it and it's hard to trace. Avoiding punishment doesn't mean there isn't one.

You wouldn't steal so blatantly as burglary or store theft because the punishment is much more likely. It doesn't mean illegally downloading music isn't as bad cos it's easier to get away with.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That is EXACTLY my point.

There is a punishment, it's just harder to apply because there are way too many people doing it and it's hard to trace. Avoiding punishment doesn't mean there isn't one.

You wouldn't steal so blatantly as burglary or store theft because the punishment is much more likely. It doesn't mean illegally downloading music isn't as bad cos it's easier to get away with.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
But ultimately making sure they receive payment for it is what matters.

-AC

But of course. As a musician, I firmly disagree with the pay each cd sold nets us. Let alone once we're famous.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, I know there is a punishment, I am just not familiar with how severe it is.

The punishment is jail time, people have been sent to jail for it.

Ok, I see your curiousity, let me give an example.

If you knew that the punishment for downloading was as LIKELY as stealing from a store, and there was a good chance that sooner, rather than later, you'd be in court possibly getting sent to jail, would you continue stealing?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The punishment is jail time, people have been sent to jail for it.

Ok, I see your curiousity, let me give an example.

If you knew that the punishment for downloading was as LIKELY as stealing from a store, and there was a good chance that sooner, rather than later, you'd be in court possibly getting sent to jail, would you continue stealing?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not personal, it's something I dislike that nobody can successfully defend.

CDs are over-priced? Do you want to know why?

Well, first off, you can get CDs for dirt cheap nowadays, some of them brand new. I just preordered some albums coming out on Monday for £8 each.

But if over-pricing is your argument, why do you think that is? Stores lower them to convince people to buy them, or hike them up to make up the prices for people who DON'T buy them, and steal them instead.

Use your noggin.

lol, they raise teh price because of theft and people that use file sharing?

Hold on, AC.

I need to shed a tear and then give a shit.

Naa.