Ben 10 vs. World War Hulk

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
why are so many people complaining about hulk hate...the hulk is awesome..if yo uthink it's hate why people thikn he would lose then you don't know ben 10's character very wellIf ben 10 goes ghost freak, his telepathy and phasing will definently help him win this fight...pls every once and a while he could shift to eye guy and blast him....but can hulks skin resist diamonds?

Answers: Yes Hulk can resist telepathy, he did so against Xavier no problem, one of the top telepaths on Marvel Earth. Yes he can resist phasing, Vision tried to phase into him but got trapped once he got mad enough, and started to take damage. He also resisted getting phased into the ground by Kitty Pride.

In regards to resisting diamonds: when Wolverine initially slashed him, he had no problem sinking his adamantium (sharper than diamonds and more hard) claws into his flesh, later on he couldn't do the same feat, because his skin had grown that much more dense. Ben 10 can literally do nothing to put WWH down for less than a panel or two at best.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
why are so many people complaining about hulk hate...the hulk is awesome..if yo uthink it's hate why people thikn he would lose then you don't know ben 10's character very wellIf ben 10 goes ghost freak, his telepathy and phasing will definently help him win this fight...pls every once and a while he could shift to eye guy and blast him....but can hulks skin resist diamonds ?

See WWH#3.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because we all know that Hulk doesn't have:

Healing factor, progressive adaption, preternatural aim, constant power increase during combat, resistance to physic probing or stuff like that 🙄

And those stop him being a brick how ?

Answer : They dont

Hulk destroy the kid.

Originally posted by grey fox
And those stop him being a brick how ?

Answer : They dont

I know you're responding to someone else, but my point is as follows: Hulk should be treated more like a shapechanger than a simple brick. The way he can regrow a hole blown through his stomach and out his back in a matter of 2-3 panels, can see astral forms, resist telepathy, etc. makes him far different than any other typical brick. How many other bricks can you think of that can see Astral forms, see through illusions, trap phased objects in their body, etc.?

A typical brick just has their powers and that's it. Example: Colossus, the Thing, etc.. Hulk's body can adapt gills to survive in water, can adapt to hang around in outer space. His body changes over the years in multiple different ways. His body seemingly adapts to overcome what he is facing.

In the same fashion, I wouldn't consider Doomsday to be a simple brick either. That's why when examining Hulk's past feats, it makes a lot more sense if you look at him as a shapechanger, just with a limited set of what he can currently shapechange into.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I know you're responding to someone else, but my point is as follows: Hulk should be treated more like a shapechanger than a simple brick. The way he can regrow a hole blown through his stomach and out his back in a matter of 2-3 panels, can see astral forms, resist telepathy, etc. makes him far different than any other typical brick. How many other bricks can you think of that can see Astral forms, see through illusions, trap phased objects in their body, etc.?

A typical brick just has their powers and that's it. Example: Colossus, the Thing, etc.. Hulk's body can adapt gills to survive in water, can adapt to hang around in outer space. His body changes over the years in multiple different ways. His body seemingly adapts to overcome what he is facing.

In the same fashion, I wouldn't consider Doomsday to be a simple brick either. That's why when examining Hulk's past feats, it makes a lot more sense if you look at him as a shapechanger, just with a limited set of what he can currently shapechange into.

Some good points.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I know you're responding to someone else, but my point is as follows: Hulk should be treated more like a shapechanger than a simple brick. The way he can regrow a hole blown through his stomach and out his back in a matter of 2-3 panels, can see astral forms, resist telepathy, etc. makes him far different than any other typical brick. How many other bricks can you think of that can see Astral forms, see through illusions, trap phased objects in their body, etc.?

A typical brick just has their powers and that's it. Example: Colossus, the Thing, etc.. Hulk's body can adapt gills to survive in water, can adapt to hang around in outer space. His body changes over the years in multiple different ways. His body seemingly adapts to overcome what he is facing.

In the same fashion, I wouldn't consider Doomsday to be a simple brick either. That's why when examining Hulk's past feats, it makes a lot more sense if you look at him as a shapechanger, just with a limited set of what he can currently shapechange into.

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Those were PIS , simply put they needed a reason to keep hulk in outer space or underwater and 'He's holding his breath' just wont cut it anymore.

HULK. IS. A. BRICK Doomsday is a brick, with Resurrection powers.

Until Hulk can suddenly do something else in combat save using his strength then he'll be a brick.

BTW , two feats does not a shape-changer make.

Originally posted by grey fox
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Those were PIS , simply put they needed a reason to keep hulk in outer space or underwater and 'He's holding his breath' just wont cut it anymore.

[b]HULK. IS. A. BRICK Doomsday is a brick, with Resurrection powers.

Until Hulk can suddenly do something else in combat save using his strength then he'll be a brick.

BTW , two feats does not a shape-changer make. [/B]

Ok name some other bricks that can do this:

So growing gills is now PIS? No - it is NOT PIS. It's the opposite of PIS, PII, or Plot Induced Intelligence. Instead of him just holding his breath, his body adapted and made gills. It shows that his body has the capability to adapt to extreme conditions.

He has overcome the following transmutations:
* Being shrunken down to a tiny size by Goom. Grew right back up to normal size.
* Being turned into stone by Gray Gargoyle.
* numerous incredible healing feats, such as healing his brain stem which was severed, a broken neck, getting his midsection blown open by Dr. Strange, etc..
* Being immune to ALL diseases.
* Surviving Glazier's transmuation powers.
* Unaffected by High Evolutionary's devolving powers:

What about his other non-brick powers?
* Being able to sense the presence of magic:

* senses Vision approaching above ground while he is below ground:

* sees astral forms:

This doesn't even include the absolutely massive, in-character, long history of resisting both illusions and telepathy. His body seems to be able to adapt to almost anything and return to it's normal state. That is not normal regeneration. Normal regeneration will not regenerate mutated cells, Hulk can literally regenerate DNA damage.

To top it off, I didn't even mention his ability to touch energy with his hands and affect it. That's not a pure brick ability either. No matter how strong you are, you cannot lift up something made of electricity. Hulk has done that though.

That is why I place him in the shapechanger class, not the simple brick class. To those that claim that Wolverine not piercing Hulk's skin when he got mad enough facing the X-men as PIS, it's not the first time that has happened:

Another instance of Hulk's body creating a new gland in order to compensate having his lungs full of water:

Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok name some other bricks that can do this:

So growing gills is now PIS? No - it is NOT PIS. It's the opposite of PIS, PII, or Plot Induced Intelligence. Instead of him just holding his breath, his body adapted and made gills. It shows that his body has the capability to adapt to extreme conditions.

He has overcome the following transmutations:
* Being shrunken down to a tiny size by Goom. Grew right back up to normal size.
* Being turned into stone by Gray Gargoyle.
* numerous incredible healing feats, such as healing his brain stem which was severed, a broken neck, getting his midsection blown open by Dr. Strange, etc..
* Being immune to ALL diseases.
* Surviving Glazier's transmuation powers.
* Unaffected by High Evolutionary's devolving powers:

What about his other non-brick powers?
* Being able to sense the presence of magic:

* senses Vision approaching above ground while he is below ground:

* sees astral forms:

This doesn't even include the absolutely massive, in-character, long history of resisting both illusions and telepathy. His body seems to be able to adapt to almost anything and return to it's normal state. That is not normal regeneration. Normal regeneration will not regenerate mutated cells, Hulk can literally regenerate DNA damage.

To top it off, I didn't even mention his ability to touch energy with his hands and affect it. That's not a pure brick ability either. No matter how strong you are, you cannot lift up something made of electricity. Hulk has done that though.

That is why I place him in the shapechanger class, not the simple brick class. To those that claim that Wolverine not piercing Hulk's skin when he got mad enough facing the X-men as PIS, it's not the first time that has happened:

80% of that is a healing factor and super-senses.

Originally posted by grey fox
80% of that is a healing factor and super-senses.

Ok explain growing a gland that didn't exist before in order to compensate for his lungs being filled with water.

Explain how super senses and healing factor allows him to grab pure energy with his hands. Show me examples of other bricks that can see Astral forms and sense a phased object approaching.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok explain growing a gland that didn't exist before in order to compensate for his lungs being filled with water.

Explain how super senses and healing factor allows him to grab pure energy with his hands. Show me examples of other bricks that can see Astral forms and sense a phased object approaching.

Tell me how Seeing phased objects and astral forms relinquishes his status as brick (A term coined for the fights)

Also LOLZ at the energy reference. He does it once and it suddenly becomes a fully fleshed out power.

PIS.

Accept it

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Originally posted by grey fox
Tell me how Seeing phased objects and astral forms relinquishes his status as brick (A term coined for the fights)

Also LOLZ at the energy reference. He does it once and it suddenly becomes a fully fleshed out power.

PIS.

Accept it

I remember Nvr trying to do this with Thanos. About how ever feat he has is the result of PIS.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I remember Nvr trying to do this with Thanos. About how ever feat he has is the result of PIS.

I'm not.

But when a SINGLE feat is suddenly taken for absolute gospel truth (and a new power at that) then something stinks.

I'll concede to the possibility that (for life-threatening situations) Hulk may change his own body structure (IMO it's still PIS but as stated i'll concede).

Originally posted by grey fox
I'm not.

But when a SINGLE feat is suddenly taken for absolute gospel truth (and a new power at that) then something stinks.

Okay. I don't like focus on single feats either.

Originally posted by grey fox
I'll concede to the possibility that (for life-threatening situations) Hulk may change his own body structure (IMO it's still PIS but as stated i'll concede).

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Ben wins by bfr close thread

Waybig throws hulk into space just like vilgax

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Ben wins by bfr close thread

Waybig throws hulk into space just like vilgax

Not a chance in hell of that happening, sorry. Waybig grabs him, Hulk crushes his hand, jumps with a flying punch and knocks him the F*ck out. Hulk 10/10.

For the record, grey fox, that isn't the only incident of him grabbing energy. Check out the Hulk respect thread some time, unfortunately many of it's links are no longer working, but he grabbed / destroyed energy with his fists time and time again. It's not PIS, it's his average showing. You may not like the character but that's how he's written time and time again. When a character such as the Hulk does something time and time again over the course of 40 years, it's no longer PIS, it's simply his character.

Originally posted by grey fox
I'll concede to the possibility that (for life-threatening situations) Hulk may change his own body structure (IMO it's still PIS but as stated i'll concede).

Even after I show you scans of him doing it, and illustrate many examples of him doing it so that you can see it yourself by looking at the scans, you only admit there is a "possibility" of it happening. hanuts
superpokeplz

In the meantime you have not given one shred of evidence to back up your viewpoint, while I have posted several scans proving what I said.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Not a chance in hell of that happening, sorry. Waybig grabs him, Hulk crushes his hand, jumps with a flying punch and knocks him the F*ck out. Hulk 10/10.

For the record, grey fox, that isn't the only incident of him grabbing energy. Check out the Hulk respect thread some time, unfortunately many of it's links are no longer working, but he grabbed / destroyed energy with his fists time and time again. It's not PIS, it's his [b]average showing. You may not like the character but that's how he's written time and time again. When a character such as the Hulk does something time and time again over the course of 40 years, it's no longer PIS, it's simply his character. [/B]

Here is what happens

Waybig grabs hulk
Hulk crushes his hand
Waybig still throws hulk into space.....

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Here is what happens

Waybig grabs hulk
Hulk crushes his hand
Waybig still throws hulk into space.....

So you're telling me that Waybig is stronger than Gladiator, who can move planets on his own? Because even Gladiator couldn't accomplish what you're saying... so just how strong do you think Waybig is?