Originally posted by Space M ummy
This fight is a lot closer than some of you think it is.Superboy prime is definitely faster than a [b]default
thanos is. He's nowhere NEAR as fast as the Runner with the space gem. Let's clear that up immediately. with the gem, runner's speed had no practical limit whatsoever. He was as fast as he needed to be.As Thanos doesn't really seem to have a problem reacting to heralds (surfer for one, fallen one for another) who typically move and react well in excess of light speeds and easily on flash levels, a blitz isn't immediately going to result in a win. If this WAS a viable tactic, then everyone who wanted to take thanos out would have simply blitzed him to death. When characters capable of light+ speeds can't or won't use that against him, it speaks volumes.
Secondly, Thanos' force fields are easily capable of holding back SBP. Champion (with the power gem) was punching with enough force to one shot a planet into dust and STILL couldn't break Thanos' shields. If SBP was hitting THAT hard on a regular basis, then connor kent and the various flashes would have been dead in microseconds. He wasn't.
Third: Thanos is an Eternal. The board frequently overlooks this but all eternals, even the weakest ones have total control over their entire molecular structure. His speed, strength, durability, etc are all subject to amplification IF he wishes to do so- (much like surfer is able to with the power cosmic.) for example the eternals rendered themselves permanently immune to the effects of blastaar's energy attacks just by SAYING SO back in Avengers #310. Weaker eternals focus their abilities into a single stat- makkari emphasizes speed over all else (he's light speed levels, last I checked) sersi concentrates on matter manipulation at the expense of strength/speed...Starfox has powerful psychic abilities (sort of..he's kinda the oddball eternal) but has no energy/matter manipulation abilities to speak of..Thanos eclipses the abilities of all other eternals by a great margin and doesn't have that liability.
Per odin whatever power source Thanos has been tapping into is "as limitless as his"...meaning at least skyfather levels of energy. Odin is sitting on a crapload of power- easily dwarfing SBP by an order of magnitude, and certainly enough for Thanos to increase his strength, durability, whatever to comparable levels.
Finally- superboy prime doesn't have anywhere NEAR the combat ability or intelligence Thanos has. Thanos well written wouldn't charge in and start throwing punches- he's throw up some shields then begin analyzing his opponent for weaknesses, and SBP most certainly does have well known exploitable weaknesses.
I wouldn't give Thanos a majority, but I'd say he definitely has the resources and experience to split the wins. 4.5-5.5 easily. [/B]
First off, the Champion with the power gem is nowhere near SBP in strength or anything else. SBP pwned the entire DC continuity with a punch. Champion or anyone else has never come close to that kind of power with the power gem.
Also, if the Speed force and thew Phantom Zone and Utopia Earth were not enough to keep Superboy-Prime out, then Thanos' shields won't do anything but shatter.
Also, as far as speed goes, we're not talking about herald level speed. We're talking about something much much faster. We're talking about speed capable of reaching new Earth before the Flash merged with the Speed Force. We're talking about speed capable of reaching the center of the universe (Oa) form Earth within minutes. Heralds do not compare.
Also, as far as your little "Thanos has complete controll over his molecules" argument. He doesn't. Only Earth eternals are capable of such. When Kronos and Zuras got into a fight, they split into two factions, one stayed on Earth, the other went to titan. Thus the names "Earth Eternals" and "Titinian Eternals" (i.e. Thanos). The Earth Eternals were involved in a massive explosion which altered their DNA to the point where they (The EARTH Eternals) were able to have complete molecular control over their bodies, making them very difficult to kill, but not impossible. The only reason why Thanos is as powerful as he is, is because of the tech implants in his body and the DNA restructuring that he had done to himself to make his cells capable of holding a certain amount of cosmic energy. Much like the enclaves within Genis-Vell's cells. But as far as "complete molecular control", Thanos has never had that under his own power. Only with the IG and HOTI.
As far as "unlimited energy" goes, heck, the Surfer has unlimited energy... but he gets pwned all the time by Thanos. Not because Thanos' "unlimited energy supply" is better, but because Thanos is simply stronger and more durable than the Surfer. Much like Superboy-Prime is stronger and more durable than Thanos.
And finally, the intellengence factor... Superboy-Prime was smart enough to build his own powersuit, restore his powers, and almost end the DC continuity. Sure most of that wasn't brain, but brawn. But he did it regardless. Anyway, intellegence doesn't matter here, Superboy-Prime is bloodlusted here right? Which means that even if he was retarded, if he speedblitzesThanos and retconn punches him at the speed that he retconned the DC cxontinuity, Thanos won't have time to put up a sheild, or even think. Thanos has the reflexes of Spiderman, or one step higher at absolute best. Superboy-Prime is easily one of the fastest beings in comics. You do the math.
I say, on pure physical superiority in every way Superboy-Prime wins.
Superboy-Prime 9/10 ftw.
First off, the Champion with the power gem is nowhere near SBP in strength or anything else.
The power gem grants unlimited strength to whoever has it. unlimited > whatever level SBP is. Champion was able to destroy a planet with ONE hit with it, while using it subconciously. How many millions of tons of force do you think it takes to pull that off? The number of characters that have accomplished one shotting a PLANET with brute force on panel can be counted on one hand, and SBP isn't one of them.
When Champ got his hands on it again in She-Hulk, no one in the universe was able to take him out in the ring. The gem makes whoever has it the strongest there is. Period.
SBP pwned the entire DC continuity with a punch. Champion or anyone else has never come close to that kind of power with the power gem.
SBP was pounding on a solid "reality barrier" he didn't create. That's what caused the DC-universe retcons. It's not a part of his power set he can use at will. He also wasn't strong enough to break it- THAT was done by Kal-L, who in a fight was on par with Kal-El. (Superman)
Champ + power gem is stronger.
Also, if the Speed force and thew Phantom Zone and Utopia Earth were not enough to keep Superboy-Prime out, then Thanos' shields won't do anything but shatter.
It took him how many years to get out of the speed force? Plus a power suit that he STOLE, and didn't actually create on his own?
Also, as far as speed goes, we're not talking about herald level speed. We're talking about something much much faster. We're talking about speed capable of reaching new Earth before the Flash merged with the Speed Force. We're talking about speed capable of reaching the center of the universe (Oa) form Earth within minutes. Heralds do not compare.
Herald level speed has been shown to cross hundreds of thousands of light years in seconds. It doesn't sound like you're familiar with just how fast heralds actually are.
Also, as far as your little "Thanos has complete controll over his molecules" argument. He doesn't. Only Earth eternals are capable of such. When Kronos and Zuras got into a fight, they split into two factions, one stayed on Earth, the other went to titan. Thus the names "Earth Eternals" and "Titinian Eternals" (i.e. Thanos). The Earth Eternals were involved in a massive explosion which altered their DNA to the point where they (The EARTH Eternals) were able to have complete molecular control over their bodies, making them very difficult to kill, but not impossible. The only reason why Thanos is as powerful as he is, is because of the tech implants in his body and the DNA restructuring that he had done to himself to make his cells capable of holding a certain amount of cosmic energy. Much like the enclaves within Genis-Vell's cells. But as far as "complete molecular control", Thanos has never had that under his own power. Only with the IG and HOTI.
not entirely correct. Thanos' father was an earth born eternal, his mother was titanian. His brother Starfox has ALL of the abilities of earth born eternals (virtual immortality, gravity control, psionics, etc)
Thanos is also a MUTANT eternal, so his abilities are slightly different.
He's also been enhanced not only by cybernetic implants, but by Death itself.
you know- death? One of the top three abstracts that exist in the MU? AFAIK the cybernetic implants no longer exist and are redundant, since death resurrected and amplified his powers.
Also, depending on whether you regard "the end" as canon or not, he used residual power from the HOTU to amplify his powers FURTHER after that.
As far as "unlimited energy" goes, heck, the Surfer has unlimited energy... but he gets pwned all the time by Thanos. Not because Thanos' "unlimited energy supply" is better, but because Thanos is simply stronger and more durable than the Surfer. Much like Superboy-Prime is stronger and more durable than Thanos.
you're ignoring the fact that the "limitless energy" statement was a comparison by Odin, putting him on Odin's level. Looking at the fight between the two odin had the upper hand, but the two were clearly on the same level.
And finally, the intellengence factor... Superboy-Prime was smart enough to build his own powersuit, restore his powers, and almost end the DC continuity. Sure most of that wasn't brain, but brawn. But he did it regardless. Anyway, intellegence doesn't matter here, Superboy-Prime is bloodlusted here right? Which means that even if he was retarded, if he speedblitzesThanos and retconn punches him at the speed that he retconned the DC cxontinuity, Thanos won't have time to put up a sheild, or even think. Thanos has the reflexes of Spiderman, or one step higher at absolute best. Superboy-Prime is easily one of the fastest beings in comics. You do the math.
Superboy prime claimed to have invented the powersuit, but was shown to have stolen the tech in another issue. He didn't build it from scratch. Thanos not only has tech and warships that make that look like childs play, he's one of the few individuals to actually SUCCEED at the task of conquering the universe. Multiple times. He clearly has plans and strategies in place to take out adversaries of all power levels- SBP doesn't have anywhere close to his level of strategy and combat experience.
And for the last time- If Thanos was only as fast "as spiderman" why did the surfer, tyrant, fallen one, and Thor (yes, thor has light speed reflexes and has been shown swinging the hammer at 2x lightspeed on panel) have so much trouble with him?
Originally posted by Space M ummy
The power gem grants unlimited strength to whoever has it. unlimited > whatever level SBP is. Champion was able to destroy a planet with ONE hit with it, while using it subconciously. How many millions of tons of force do you think it takes to pull that off? The number of characters that have accomplished one shotting a PLANET with brute force on panel can be counted on one hand, and SBP isn't one of them.When Champ got his hands on it again in She-Hulk, no one in the universe was able to take him out in the ring. The gem makes whoever has it the strongest there is. Period.
SBP was pounding on a solid "reality barrier" he didn't create. That's what caused the DC-universe retcons. It's not a part of his power set he can use at will. He also wasn't strong enough to break it- THAT was done by Kal-L, who in a fight was on par with Kal-El. (Superman)
Champ + power gem is stronger.It took him how many years to get out of the speed force? Plus a power suit that he STOLE, and didn't actually create on his own?
Herald level speed has been shown to cross hundreds of thousands of light years in seconds. It doesn't sound like you're familiar with just how fast heralds actually are.
not entirely correct. Thanos' father was an earth born eternal, his mother was titanian. His brother Starfox has ALL of the abilities of earth born eternals (virtual immortality, gravity control, psionics, etc)
Thanos is also a MUTANT eternal, so his abilities are slightly different.
He's also been enhanced not only by cybernetic implants, but by Death itself.you know- death? One of the top three abstracts that exist in the MU? AFAIK the cybernetic implants no longer exist and are redundant, since death resurrected and amplified his powers.
Also, depending on whether you regard "the end" as canon or not, he used residual power from the HOTU to amplify his powers FURTHER after that.
you're ignoring the fact that the "limitless energy" statement was a comparison by Odin, putting him on Odin's level. Looking at the fight between the two odin had the upper hand, but the two were clearly on the same level.
Superboy prime claimed to have invented the powersuit, but was shown to have stolen the tech in another issue. He didn't build it from scratch. Thanos not only has tech and warships that make that look like childs play, he's one of the few individuals to actually SUCCEED at the task of conquering the universe. Multiple times. He clearly has plans and strategies in place to take out adversaries of all power levels- SBP doesn't have anywhere close to his level of strategy and combat experience.
And for the last time- If Thanos was only as fast "as spiderman" why did the surfer, tyrant, fallen one, and Thor (yes, thor has light speed reflexes and has been shown swinging the hammer at 2x lightspeed on panel) have so much trouble with him?
So are you trying to say Heralds>>>> Flash with the absorbed speed force? Thats ridiculous and you know it.
Also, show me where it says that a herald went "hundreds of thousands of lightyears in a second". lol, you cant, because Surfer had trouble with five.
Superboy-Prime flew to the center of the universe in a few minutes.
And actually, if you read IC, you would know that Superboy-Prime did retconn DC with one punch. How can you say he didn't when the evidence is clearly there?
Also, as far as Eternals go, all Eternals are from Earth. The ones that moved to Titan are weaker becaue their molecules were not altered by the explosion on Earth because they were not there to experience it.
So, no, Thanos was not born with complete molecular control over his body.
Also, Thanos being able to even see the Surfer's movements is as ridiculous as someone tagging the Flash. Sure it happens all the time, but it shouldn't happen. Also, it doesn't really matter, because the closest person to Superboy-Primes speed that Thanos faced was the Runner. And he pwned Thanos. Thanos couldn't even hold on to his little chair. That is an example of how it should go with Thanos and the Surfer. And how it WILL go with Superboy-Prime and Thanos.
Superboy-Prime ftw.
Originally posted by Space M ummynice ownage.
The power gem grants unlimited strength to whoever has it. unlimited > whatever level SBP is. Champion was able to destroy a planet with ONE hit with it, while using it subconciously. How many millions of tons of force do you think it takes to pull that off? The number of characters that have accomplished one shotting a PLANET with brute force on panel can be counted on one hand, and SBP isn't one of them.When Champ got his hands on it again in She-Hulk, no one in the universe was able to take him out in the ring. The gem makes whoever has it the strongest there is. Period.
SBP was pounding on a solid "reality barrier" he didn't create. That's what caused the DC-universe retcons. It's not a part of his power set he can use at will. He also wasn't strong enough to break it- THAT was done by Kal-L, who in a fight was on par with Kal-El. (Superman)
Champ + power gem is stronger.It took him how many years to get out of the speed force? Plus a power suit that he STOLE, and didn't actually create on his own?
Herald level speed has been shown to cross hundreds of thousands of light years in seconds. It doesn't sound like you're familiar with just how fast heralds actually are.
not entirely correct. Thanos' father was an earth born eternal, his mother was titanian. His brother Starfox has ALL of the abilities of earth born eternals (virtual immortality, gravity control, psionics, etc)
Thanos is also a MUTANT eternal, so his abilities are slightly different.
He's also been enhanced not only by cybernetic implants, but by Death itself.you know- death? One of the top three abstracts that exist in the MU? AFAIK the cybernetic implants no longer exist and are redundant, since death resurrected and amplified his powers.
Also, depending on whether you regard "the end" as canon or not, he used residual power from the HOTU to amplify his powers FURTHER after that.
you're ignoring the fact that the "limitless energy" statement was a comparison by Odin, putting him on Odin's level. Looking at the fight between the two odin had the upper hand, but the two were clearly on the same level.
Superboy prime claimed to have invented the powersuit, but was shown to have stolen the tech in another issue. He didn't build it from scratch. Thanos not only has tech and warships that make that look like childs play, he's one of the few individuals to actually SUCCEED at the task of conquering the universe. Multiple times. He clearly has plans and strategies in place to take out adversaries of all power levels- SBP doesn't have anywhere close to his level of strategy and combat experience.
And for the last time- If Thanos was only as fast "as spiderman" why did the surfer, tyrant, fallen one, and Thor (yes, thor has light speed reflexes and has been shown swinging the hammer at 2x lightspeed on panel) have so much trouble with him?
Originally posted by Sirius77thanos took on the runner with the space gem. why did u leave that out. and the runner is faster than sbp.
So are you trying to say Heralds>>>> Flash with the absorbed speed force? Thats ridiculous and you know it.Also, show me where it says that a herald went "hundreds of thousands of lightyears in a second". lol, you cant, because Surfer had trouble with five.
Superboy-Prime flew to the center of the universe in a few minutes.And actually, if you read IC, you would know that Superboy-Prime did retconn DC with one punch. How can you say he didn't when the evidence is clearly there?
Also, as far as Eternals go, all Eternals are from Earth. The ones that moved to Titan are weaker becaue their molecules were not altered by the explosion on Earth because they were not there to experience it.
So, no, Thanos was not born with complete molecular control over his body.Also, Thanos being able to even see the Surfer's movements is as ridiculous as someone tagging the Flash. Sure it happens all the time, but it shouldn't happen. Also, it doesn't really matter, because the closest person to Superboy-Primes speed that Thanos faced was the Runner. And he pwned Thanos. Thanos couldn't even hold on to his little chair. That is an example of how it should go with Thanos and the Surfer. And how it WILL go with Superboy-Prime and Thanos.
Superboy-Prime ftw.
tpd into oblivion.
thanos wins.
Just thought I'd address this...
Originally posted by Sirius77
Also, show me where it says that a herald went "hundreds of thousands of lightyears in a second". lol, you cant, because Surfer had trouble with five.
Surfer travels a half a million lightyears in seconds...
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Just thought I'd address this...Surfer travels a half a million lightyears in seconds...
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg
Surfer doesn't actually move that fast, he enters hyperspace to cover the distance.
Still impressive though.
Originally posted by AvlonActually, he did move that fast.
Surfer doesn't actually move that fast, he enters hyperspace to cover the distance.Still impressive though.
He also said he was going warp speed in those scans, and galaxy's were streaking past them, in a blur.
And, he also lost Legacy on his way over to Galactus's ship.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Actually, he did move that fast.He also said he was going warp speed in those scans, and galaxy's were streaking past them, in a blur.
And, he also lost Legacy on his way over to Galactus's ship.
Even in the scans it shows him entering hyperspace...which usually equates to galaxies streaking by.
Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos took on the runner with the space gem. why did u leave that out. and the runner is faster than sbp.tpd into oblivion.
thanos wins.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345thanos wasnt tping like he was after the end. sbp couldnt crush superboy.
And thanos never touched runner with the space gem whats your point,thanos isnt as fast as the runner and hasnt even really shown himself to be as fast as sbp,ss has like never used his speed against thanos so dont even try that argument.
thanos tp's this dumbass.
Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos wasnt tping like he was after the end. sbp couldnt crush superboy.
😆 superboy.thanos tp's this dumbass.
