Re: Re: Re: The Cave Scene!
Originally posted by JediRobin23
I think perhaps its a test for Luke only. A test not explained in the PT, but a test for a Jedi to understand himself, or part of his learning. Yoda knew what might happen. Luke failed in Yoda's eyes due to this, as Yoda felt it.This led Yoda to not have the full confidence in Luke to take on the emperor alone without the full training of previous Jedi training in the republic.. Luke`s cockyness and confidence was a risk to a Jedi order that was there before. The republic as Yoda knew it.
Luke was either a Risk or the only one to save the galaxy from Palpatine. Cant blame Yoda, he was decieved with Anakin, extra precautions needed for Luke. Obiwan knew as well as Yoda, but being the last hope. Obiwan was obligated to do what he had to do. Train Luke and take the risk.
Luke was faithful to the force until he gave into his anger on the death star. Only then he had a taste of the darkside as he defeated his father. This was a point that not even Yoda could have predicted. Faith in the force, Luke was the one who defeated the emperor.
i think yoda very well predicted that luke would lose control and strike down his father in a fit of rage (or vice versa). i think what was truly remarkable was how luke came to his senses and tossed the saber away, in essense placing all his faith (and the fate of the galaxy) into anakin's hands.
makes me wonder if it was all yoda's plan, considering like the cave, the solution was for luke to part with his weapon.
He chose to do good when he was thinking clearly, just not all the time...but then again, who does choose to do good ALL the time? Luke disobeyed OB1, and Yoda. technically that's wrong. Its not evil like some stuff Anakin did, but like I said, Luke didn't have the background that Anakin did. As a child, Anakin was far more good-hearted than Luke ever was...always trying to help "even if it risked his own life." (from Databank) and it wasn't until he got with the Jedi that he started going downhill. In a sense, the Jedi helped corrupt him. They told him everything he had ever felt in his life, was wrong, didn't give him the respect he deserved, not as a chosen one, but just as a person, and ultimately pushed him over the edge with help from Palpatine of course. He even says, "From my point of view the Jedi are evil," showing that he believed it. He didn't believe himself to be the evil person and the one doing wrong (although he was), but everything that was "wrong" with the govt including the Jedi, happened. They tried to take over the senate and the whole nine. I dunno, i just don't think its as cut an dry as you're trying to make it. I see your points, definitely, but its not just black and white...there is always a larger grey area.
That's what I said: from AOTC on he did what he felt like. He killed Tusken because he chose to, he disobeyed OB1 to go to Tatooine because he felt like it, he fell in love and married Padme because he felt like it even though it would lead to the Dark Side, he grows closer to palpy than to OB1 because Palpy makes him feel comfy, he goes out to kill younglings because he agrees to, he turns to the Dark Side because he feel he can save PAdme that way, he kills all the confederate leaders who trusted Sidious because suddenly he must obey his master (but never with OB1) and then he kills Padme and fights OB1....
All due to not thinking clearly???? No way, this grown up Anakin is a one way ticket to the Dark Side. And in the ways of the Force there is NO grey area: there is light and Dark. It's obvious when you cross the line and Anakin had a subscription to Crossing over to the Dark Side Monthly.
But what I was saying that just didn't join the darkside for the sake of being evil. All he did (and regretted instantly and knew was wrong) he did for what he believed to be a greater good...until the end and started getting power hungry.
Killed sand people for killing th eone person who loved him, went to Tatooine to save his mom. And who wants to fall in love? You have no control over it. He fell in love cause he couldn't help it, and decided to marry his one true love. didn't Luke marry Mara Jade, a woma nwho was evil, and still not turn? Marriage =/= darkside. The guilt from the Jedi Council did that. Palpy gives him (supposed) respect that he feels the ocuncil does not, kills younglings because by that time he's gone, and he kills the separatist leaders cause they were assholes. They, along with Palps, caused the war.
And he did not kill Padme..."medically she's fine...for unknown reasons..." Not him.
We may just have to agree to disagree.
He was basically being selfish. Anakin always wanted more power. He got too greedy and looked what happened to him on Mustafar (Go Obiwan!!). His power blinded him to the threat that Palpatine held towards the galaxy.
Luke may have disobeyed Yoda and Obiwan but at least Luke was willing to give himself up to resque his friends. And he learns from his mistakes. Anakin made many mistakes, but, he didnt learn from them. This is his falling. Think Othello. The Emperor being the trusted friend until Othell was corrupted by jealosy and dispare and killed his wife... almost same here. Just a diferent set of circumstances!! lol