Battle Zone: darthgoober vs TricksterPriest

Well here we are, the first Battle Zone fight. I'll ask all non participants to refrain from posting in this thread because this is a solo debate between TricksterPriest and myself. This is a non-official, standard match where TricksterPriest will represent classic Darkseid, and I'll be representing classic Thanos. Here are some of the specific details of the match...

Darkseid-Trickster is allowed to use all of DS's printed Pre Seven Soldiers arc(no Seven Soldiers showings though) because technically there's only one Darkseid in DC. The only limitation to this, is alternate versions of DS from future timelines(such as the GDS) as per Forum Rules.

Thanos-I will be allowed to use all of Thanos's canon appearances, including the showings of Thanos's LOW LEVEL clones. When I say low level I mean the "standard" Thanos clones that are often mistaken for him, but not clones like Omega or X which are DNA amalgams of Thanos and another character.

Now here's where it gets tricky because rather than just try to convince the judges that our characters would win the majority in a fight between the two, Trickster and I have a some special victory conditions for this fight. Trickster's goal is to convince the judges that Darkseid is completely out of Thanos's league, and that Darkseid would beat Thanos in a forum match 10/10. My goal on the other hand is to show that the two are closer in power than most are willing to give Thanos credit for, and convince the judges that Thanos could win at least one match out of 10 between the two. So it's basically an "all or nothing" affair, because in the end it comes down to whether or not it's POSSIBLE for Thanos to win.

With all that being said, since most are regarding Trick as being the underdog in this match I'll let him present his case first(and the time of his first post will mark the beginning of the 24 hour time limit)...

(Just FYI even though I included a poll, it won't be taken into consideration as far as the match winner goes(because of possible sock interference). I'm only including it so people can put their two cents in without having to spam the match. But I'll still ask people to refrain from voting at least until we get a chance to present our initial arguments.)

Hey Trick, you DO realize that this is a standard match, not a tourney style match right? You don't have to come up with a big opening post or anything, this is basically a regular debate. The only differences are that we won't have people butting in, and an actual "winner" will be decided. So you can start saying why you think DS takes 10/10 whenever you're ready...

It's showtime. 😎

Ikuze. (Let's go).

First off, Darkseid is generally underrated on this forum. People tend to compare him to Thanos, when in reality, he's around Odin's level, if not greater.

Let's start with a few feats.

The text is a little hard to read, for which I apologize.

DS desintegrates a PC Daxamite, beings who are equal to PC Supes under a yellow sun.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p6a9d963c9bf1d453cc02e8f39e19024d/f9db7939.jpg

PC Validus, a beast beyond beasts in PC days. This monster was so powerful, it took 4 PC krytonians to bring him down. On occasions where his rage was focused, even the LSH had trouble with him. Even Karate Kid, PIS machine, couldn't stop him and barely dodged the mental lightning.

And Darkseid not only created this monster, he depowered him back to his original form.....a child.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/pbfc5f1f8c8863de17f2156405dc7b135/f9db793f.jpg

Here during Our Worlds At War, Darkseid brings down Superman with 3 punches.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pd55a9f60974c3f94b66f685071686e58/fbdd8646.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p7c18e8b452cb9333381c18e72b82bc42/fbdd81d1.jpg

Supes sneak attacks DS afterwards,
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pdf9c7a376b78e746826b570a7b3a99e8/fbdd81cc.jpg

and barely escapes with his life. Incidently, the only reason Supes got away from the OE in that last panel was because he used the Entropy Aegis as a shield.

The Aegis was created by Darkseid, using an Imperiex probe, Apokolips tech, and the power of Entropy. Via the probe, it could tap all of Imperiex's power.

Which is a prep feat for DS. 😛

Sleez, a native of Apokolips, explains how the OE's teleportation works. "For an instant that seemed an eternity, I was less than nothing. But I was not destroyed. Instead, I found myself transported":
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pce7d0f5ccc835ec0b5669b7116a2157c/f9e5b5a6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p9f627007d0fbf767d03fe85d5eb35215/fbdcf0b0.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p36af0f7dd1efd4d1525a9a7dc7032a95/fbdcf0a7.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p1260ca80efdcb9df766f17c629e64be3/fbdcf0a1.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/p0b323b6d260d5240ce6ccc8489683989/fba9cc1e.jpg

Lightray&Orion get blinked out as well.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p420f23dc512e00aaf1ed2c191cc9dcb7/f9d5abec.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/pcb2d283b8394cdd3f980c92f284aea85/f9d5d6b1.jpg

Before I post this next one, I'm going to give a little context. In this next part, Darkseid *****-slaps the Infinity Man. Now, Infinity man is easily a match for Thanos. Part of that, is because he's Darkseid's own brother, Drax. Drax was the originally destined to harness the power of the Infinity Pit, where Uxas received his Omega Force and took his nom-de-guer, after killing his brother supposedly. Drax was given the powers of the Infinity Man and could be summoned by the Forever People.

Anyways, Darkseid traps Drax into a pocket dimension and imposes a barrier around a planet to trap him there. He got out eventually thanks to the Forever People.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pc086560f5f6ca9b50bbe8fd46127b1ff/f9e65927.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p76eabd5cf26449412ba384ea7f6b724f/f9e658f8.jpg

In this part, Supes is having trouble fighting Darkseid's automatons. So, the Forever People summon forth Infinity Man again. Infinity Man has a much easier time against the droids, but gets whupped by DS again, and mentions that he cannot resist the Omega Effect.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p3e5239a16e3a11b11b821a33d59c50c4/f9e5bc88.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p78d32187df811edaec83ffe56c0c6705/f9e6595c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p958c3ce421aefd18b0921979c879c9a9/f9e5c199.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pf8b15788332d2d322ae1778db2acb87c/fb9b7268.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p08b4c6dc1696e358251d45407feb6197/fb9b7264.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p62fb8e9815e4f1bc38ce8e9424fb34b0/f9e5c182.jpg

And with this, I cast down the gauntlet. Have at thee, Goober. duel

i'm aware this isn't a tourney style match. I just wanted a good opening salvo. 😛 2nd, I had step out for a bit, which is why this took so long.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's showtime. 😎

Ikuze. (Let's go).

Bring it 😈 .

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
First off, Darkseid is generally underrated on this forum. People tend to compare him to Thanos, when in reality, he's around Odin's level, if not greater.

Let's start with a few feats.

The text is a little hard to read, for which I apologize.

DS desintegrates a PC Daxamite, beings who are equal to PC Supes under a yellow sun.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p6a9d963c9bf1d453cc02e8f39e19024d/f9db7939.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
PC Validus, a beast beyond beasts in PC days. This monster was so powerful, it took 4 PC krytonians to bring him down. On occasions where his rage was focused, even the LSH had trouble with him. Even Karate Kid, PIS machine, couldn't stop him and barely dodged the mental lightning.

And Darkseid not only created this monster, he depowered him back to his original form.....a child.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/pbfc5f1f8c8863de17f2156405dc7b135/f9db793f.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Here during Our Worlds At War, Darkseid brings down Superman with 3 punches.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pd55a9f60974c3f94b66f685071686e58/fbdd8646.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p7c18e8b452cb9333381c18e72b82bc42/fbdd81d1.jpg

Supes sneak attacks DS afterwards,
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pdf9c7a376b78e746826b570a7b3a99e8/fbdd81cc.jpg
and barely escapes with his life. Incidently, the only reason Supes got away from the OE in that last panel was because he used the Entropy Aegis as a shield.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The Aegis was created by Darkseid, using an Imperiex probe, Apokolips tech, and the power of Entropy. Via the probe, it could tap all of Imperiex's power.

Which is a prep feat for DS. 😛

You and I both know that you don't want to get into a "prep showings" comparison when Thanos is involved 😉 .

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Sleez, a native of Apokolips, explains how the OE's teleportation works. "For an instant that seemed an eternity, I was less than nothing. But I was not destroyed. Instead, I found myself transported":
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pce7d0f5ccc835ec0b5669b7116a2157c/f9e5b5a6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p9f627007d0fbf767d03fe85d5eb35215/fbdcf0b0.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p36af0f7dd1efd4d1525a9a7dc7032a95/fbdcf0a7.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p1260ca80efdcb9df766f17c629e64be3/fbdcf0a1.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/p0b323b6d260d5240ce6ccc8489683989/fba9cc1e.jpg

Lightray&Orion get blinked out as well.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p420f23dc512e00aaf1ed2c191cc9dcb7/f9d5abec.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/pcb2d283b8394cdd3f980c92f284aea85/f9d5d6b1.jpg

I fail to see what a bunch of scans about DS teleporting people has to do with this. If he teleports Thanos, Thanos will teleport back.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Before I post this next one, I'm going to give a little context. In this next part, Darkseid *****-slaps the Infinity Man. Now, Infinity man is easily a match for Thanos. Part of that, is because he's Darkseid's own brother, Drax. Drax was the originally destined to harness the power of the Infinity Pit, where Uxas received his Omega Force and took his nom-de-guer, after killing his brother supposedly. Drax was given the powers of the Infinity Man and could be summoned by the Forever People.

Anyways, Darkseid traps Drax into a pocket dimension and imposes a barrier around a planet to trap him there. He got out eventually thanks to the Forever People.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pc086560f5f6ca9b50bbe8fd46127b1ff/f9e65927.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p76eabd5cf26449412ba384ea7f6b724f/f9e658f8.jpg

In this part, Supes is having trouble fighting Darkseid's automatons. So, the Forever People summon forth Infinity Man again. Infinity Man has a much easier time against the droids, but gets whupped by DS again, and mentions that he cannot resist the Omega Effect.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p3e5239a16e3a11b11b821a33d59c50c4/f9e5bc88.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p78d32187df811edaec83ffe56c0c6705/f9e6595c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p958c3ce421aefd18b0921979c879c9a9/f9e5c199.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pf8b15788332d2d322ae1778db2acb87c/fb9b7268.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p08b4c6dc1696e358251d45407feb6197/fb9b7264.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p62fb8e9815e4f1bc38ce8e9424fb34b0/f9e5c182.jpg

Ok now I guess it's my turn. Now I know that the majority of people consider Supes standing up to DS to be nothing but PIS, but I want everyone to take a look at what Tron(the guy who put the KMC rules in place originally) says about PIS...

Originally posted by Tron
It WOULD be PIS if he reacted to Flash maybe once, but, since he's done it numorous times, that kinda takes it out of the PIS category. You forget that Slade's brain works at advanced levels, which added to his physical abilities allow him to react to Flash, or see the Atom after shrinking.

Originally posted by Tron
Considering that he's done it to Wally more than once, I wouldn't consider it PIS.

Pretty simple concept right? If it happens often enough, it's not PIS. So let's take a look at some of the times Supes has taken on DS one on one, and see how many there are...

1...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8580/actioncomics58617bb7.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9651/actioncomics58618wr5.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6271/actioncomics58619qu3.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8871/actioncomics58620yu9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6715/actioncomics58621sd3.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2735/actioncomics58622dr4.jpg

2...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/132/img020gt1.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1012/img021gr4.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4687/img022by3.jpg

3...
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9989/adventuresofsuperman595hl3.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2747/adventuresofsuperman595by2.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8808/adventuresofsuperman595mn5.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8978/adventuresofsuperman595it9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7696/adventuresofsuperman595ti5.jpg

4...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1010/apokolipsnowpage13bz0.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2108/apokolipsnowpage14cb6.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1540/apokolipsnowpage15up9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/127/apokolipsnowpage16fi9.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8680/apokolipsnowpage17kj5.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1504/apokolipsnowpage22yz2.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5714/apokolipsnowpage25jl1.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1435/apokolipsnowpage26ce8.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1318/apokolipsnowpage30xa0.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2192/apokolipsnowpage31tr0.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2460/apokolipsnowpage32sy8.jpg

5...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5581/002supermanbatman013remrm0.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9618/003supermanbatman013remik0.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6043/004supermanbatman013rembo8.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/425/005supermanbatman013remji1.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9380/006supermanbatman013remjj6.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7470/007supermanbatman013remaz0.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7527/008supermanbatman013remkq1.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1309/009supermanbatman013remqr9.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/373/010supermanbatman013remzy1.jpg

Wow. That's five instances of Supes doing just fine against DS when they're both in decent condition at the start of the fight, and ONE instance of DS manhandling Supes(which Trick posted) just after Supes took down a bunch of Imperiex probes and New Gods. Given the amount of instances it's happened, I think it's safe to say that Supes victory's no longer fall under the "PIS" category.

So DS being able to be taken down PHYSICALLY by Supes no longer falls under the heading of PIS because it’s happened to often for it to fall under that heading. Now that doesn’t mean that DS is unable to take down Supes using his more exotic abilities(telepathy, BFR, etc.), it just means that it IS within Supes’s ability to take DS down in a fist fight under forum rules. So the question becomes whether or not it should be assumed that DS actually USES those exotic abilities every time he’s involved in a forum battle. For the answer that question, take a look at this…

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

So if he limits himself then it’s his own damn fault for losing, it’s only BS when he conveniently “forgets” about his other abilities. So is DS the type to limit himself, or is he the type to use every ability to the fullest all the time? Well for the answer to that take a look here…

See Darkseid is the kind of guy that actually LIKES to get in there and mix it up man to man. That’s why he uses all that exotic stuff against the JLA as a group, but when Supes wants to try to go at it one on one DS it’s mostly h2h. But the thing is according to forum rules that behavior is still valid, because it’s “in character” for DS to behave that way.

So with DS covered, let's move on to the capabilities of Thanos. Well first off I find it funny that Trick went and said that DS was closer to Odin's level than Thanos's. Why you ask(not really, since you all know where I'm going with this)? Because we actually have a Thanos vs Odin fight to take into consideration...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/29/fight121ii3.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/501/fight122ve6.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8443/fight123xe2.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5431/fight124ma7.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8130/fight125ta2.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1310/fight126nc4.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6814/fight127dq4.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3498/fight128hb3.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3967/fight129fb9.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8285/fight1210rv8.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8336/fight1211nl4.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/897/fight1212wd7.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7219/fight1213gr7.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4974/fight1214ov3.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9032/fight1215zp6.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1751/fight1216in5.jpg

Keep in mind, that was Thanos BEFORE his upgrade in "The End", and Odin(who according to Trick is right on par with DS) was unable to put him down. Of course AFTER Thanos's upgrade, he was significantly more powerful. Here let's compare...

Before upgrade(Barely phases Odin)...

After upgrade(blows a WELL FED Galactus out the side of his ship)...

And just for comparison, let's take a look at the effect DS has on a HUNGREYGalactus...


Now I know what you're all thinking, "it's a crossover, it's not canon"...wrong. Remember, there's only ONE DS in DC and ANY printed appearance of his current character is valid. So even though that never really happened to Galactus, it DID happen to DS.

Basically this is what it all comes down to...

1. DS has NEVER erased anyone on Thanos's level(with Thanos's durability) with the OE.
2. DS's "Omega Powers" while impressive, have been dealt with by Supes(several times), Wonder Woman, Firestorm, and Ryker(the GL) and Thanos trumps ALL of them with ease.
3. Thanos has better base durability, forcefields, and energy output than DS, and a better track record against herald level characters in single combat. DS may ghave more instances of teleporting the opposition away(which won't work on Thanos), but Thanos has a better record as far as delivering a beatdown goes.

So with all that being true, how is it possible that DS is going to pull 10/120 from Thanos? Simple....it isn't.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok now I guess it's my turn. Now I know that the majority of people consider Supes standing up to DS to be nothing but PIS, but I want everyone to take a look at what Tron(the guy who put the KMC rules in place originally) says about PIS...

Pretty simple concept right? If it happens often enough, it's not PIS. So let's take a look at some of the times Supes has taken on DS one on one, and see how many there are...

1...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8580/actioncomics58617bb7.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9651/actioncomics58618wr5.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6271/actioncomics58619qu3.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8871/actioncomics58620yu9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6715/actioncomics58621sd3.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2735/actioncomics58622dr4.jpg

2...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/132/img020gt1.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1012/img021gr4.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4687/img022by3.jpg

3...
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9989/adventuresofsuperman595hl3.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2747/adventuresofsuperman595by2.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8808/adventuresofsuperman595mn5.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8978/adventuresofsuperman595it9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7696/adventuresofsuperman595ti5.jpg

4...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1010/apokolipsnowpage13bz0.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2108/apokolipsnowpage14cb6.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1540/apokolipsnowpage15up9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/127/apokolipsnowpage16fi9.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8680/apokolipsnowpage17kj5.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1504/apokolipsnowpage22yz2.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5714/apokolipsnowpage25jl1.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1435/apokolipsnowpage26ce8.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1318/apokolipsnowpage30xa0.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2192/apokolipsnowpage31tr0.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2460/apokolipsnowpage32sy8.jpg

5...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5581/002supermanbatman013remrm0.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9618/003supermanbatman013remik0.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6043/004supermanbatman013rembo8.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/425/005supermanbatman013remji1.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9380/006supermanbatman013remjj6.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7470/007supermanbatman013remaz0.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7527/008supermanbatman013remkq1.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1309/009supermanbatman013remqr9.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/373/010supermanbatman013remzy1.jpg

Wow. That's five instances of Supes doing just fine against DS when they're both in decent condition at the start of the fight, and ONE instance of DS manhandling Supes(which Trick posted) just after Supes took down a bunch of Imperiex probes and New Gods. Given the amount of instances it's happened, I think it's safe to say that Supes victory's no longer fall under the "PIS" category.

So DS being able to be taken down PHYSICALLY by Supes no longer falls under the heading of PIS because it’s happened to often for it to fall under that heading. Now that doesn’t mean that DS is unable to take down Supes using his more exotic abilities(telepathy, BFR, etc.), it just means that it IS within Supes’s ability to take DS down in a fist fight under forum rules. So the question becomes whether or not it should be assumed that DS actually USES those exotic abilities [B]every time he’s involved in a forum battle. For the answer that question, take a look at this…

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

So if he limits himself then it’s his own damn fault for losing, it’s only BS when he conveniently “forgets” about his other abilities. So is DS the type to limit himself, or is he the type to use every ability to the fullest all the time? Well for the answer to that take a look here…

See Darkseid is the kind of guy that actually LIKES to get in there and mix it up man to man. That’s why he uses all that exotic stuff against the JLA as a group, but when Supes wants to try to go at it one on one DS it’s mostly h2h. But the thing is according to forum rules that behavior is still valid, because it’s “in character” for DS to behave that way.

So with DS covered, let's move on to the capabilities of Thanos. Well first off I find it funny that Trick went and said that DS was closer to Odin's level than Thanos's. Why you ask(not really, since you all know where I'm going with this)? Because we actually have a Thanos vs Odin fight to take into consideration...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/29/fight121ii3.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/501/fight122ve6.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8443/fight123xe2.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5431/fight124ma7.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8130/fight125ta2.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1310/fight126nc4.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6814/fight127dq4.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3498/fight128hb3.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3967/fight129fb9.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8285/fight1210rv8.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8336/fight1211nl4.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/897/fight1212wd7.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7219/fight1213gr7.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4974/fight1214ov3.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9032/fight1215zp6.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1751/fight1216in5.jpg

Keep in mind, that was Thanos BEFORE his upgrade in "The End", and Odin(who according to Trick is right on par with DS) was unable to put him down. Of course AFTER Thanos's upgrade, he was significantly more powerful. Here let's compare...

Before upgrade(Barely phases Odin)...

After upgrade(blows a WELL FED Galactus out the side of his ship)...

And just for comparison, let's take a look at the effect DS has on a HUNGREYGalactus...


Now I know what you're all thinking, "it's a crossover, it's not canon"...wrong. Remember, there's only ONE DS in DC and ANY printed appearance of his current character is valid. So even though that never really happened to Galactus, it DID happen to DS.

Basically this is what it all comes down to...

1. DS has NEVER erased anyone on Thanos's level(with Thanos's durability) with the OE.
2. DS's "Omega Powers" while impressive, have been dealt with by Supes(several times), Wonder Woman, Firestorm, and Ryker(the GL) and Thanos trumps ALL of them with ease.
3. Thanos has better base durability, forcefields, and energy output than DS, and a better track record against herald level characters in single combat. DS may ghave more instances of teleporting the opposition away(which won't work on Thanos), but Thanos has a better record as far as delivering a beatdown goes.

So with all that being true, how is it possible that DS is going to pull 10/120 from Thanos? Simple....it isn't. [/B]

I wasn't saying he's as strong or durable as Validus. Just that he's powerful enough to beat Validus, Thanos isn't.

Wrong fight. that was later on.

The heart doesn't count, and all the things he did in the IG saga are easily duplicatible by DS. Let's see Thanos stop Ares w/e the Godwave with his prep time. 😈

The OE's teleportation involves being erased first. IE: They survived it only by Darkseid's discretion. I posted those scans to explain how the teleportation by the OE works. You get erased, then reformed elsewhere.
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9e5b5a6jpgorig7xv.jpg

http://img435.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vaporizes8cb.jpg

1. DS has NEVER erased anyone on Thanos's level(with Thanos's durability) with the OE.
2. DS's "Omega Powers" while impressive, have been dealt with by Supes(several times), Wonder Woman, Firestorm, and Ryker(the GL) and Thanos trumps ALL of them with ease.
3. Thanos has better base durability, forcefields, and energy output than DS, and a better track record against herald level characters in single combat. DS may ghave more instances of teleporting the opposition away(which won't work on Thanos), but Thanos has a better record as far as delivering a beatdown goes.

So with all that being true, how is it possible that DS is going to pull 10/120 from Thanos? Simple....it isn't.

Let's go over those showings.

1 was retconned. That was Desaad.
http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=retcon9ha.jpg
2 was inconclusive and from S/B, a dubious source.

3 was when Darkseid was weakened from using his power to boost Supes who broke Imperiex's armor. He still stalemated Superman.

4 was Apokolips Now. 😘 Apokolips Now was just a bad showing, and despite the craptacular writing, I can't say anything against it.

5 was S/B and had many extenuating circumstances. First, Wondy deflected the OB back at Darkseid. Second, Supes had a sun-amp. Third, Supes had a motherbox. and 4th, Jeph Loeb was writing. 😛

2nd, you'll find that the only times Darkseid loses to a top tier that badly are to Superman. No other top tier gets anywhere near as much as Supes. You're refusing to acknowledge his massive jobber aura. you're also using characterizations from H/P, written by Dan Jurgens, a man who has no concept of Darkseid's character.

Basically this is what it all comes down to...

1. DS has NEVER erased anyone on Thanos's level(with Thanos's durability) with the OE.
2. DS's "Omega Powers" while impressive, have been dealt with by Supes(several times), Wonder Woman, Firestorm, and Ryker(the GL) and Thanos trumps ALL of them with ease.
3. Thanos has better base durability, forcefields, and energy output than DS, and a better track record against herald level characters in single combat. DS may ghave more instances of teleporting the opposition away(which won't work on Thanos), but Thanos has a better record as far as delivering a beatdown goes.

1. Infinity Man, Blasphemy, Secret, Aggog, Lobo

Secret.
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youngjustice37115hk.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youngjustice37128ty.jpg

The barrier holding IM prisoner.
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foreverpeople011080nw.jpg

Blasfemy
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pd3da497dec8d1e77e1fbc60db204a16b/fb9772a1.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p0185292573d8698f5c2b3ef2cb8d5552/fb97729c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pe6a9fd1a531e2181465df7036ec14505/fb977295.jpg

Despite this, a DS avatar walks up to Blasphemy, and fries him point-blank.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pfb700d0239af41ae30c19a0dca247350/fb977017.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p9d8f230eac94b9c36a1673697f858e4c/fb977015.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p7bb7be6db6fd90b6a730a10ccfe514bf/fb977010.jpg

Aggog beats on Orion&Lightray.
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f360jpgorig7he.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f35bjpgorig3xv.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f358jpgorig5jd.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4edd6jpgorig1xt.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4edd4jpgorig6ni.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f8d0jpgorig2fk.jpg

Here's what happens when DS tries it.
http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f8d3jpgorig9mc.jpg

In Lobo's own book, he gets owned by DS. He only survived due to a bizarre timewarp. Lobo, supposedly unkillable, was almost killed by DS.
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseidlobo15qu2fo.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbbed877jpgorig8ta.jpg

2. Supes was covered, and you forgot the jobber aura. Wondy's shield blocks just about anything. Firestorm is the only person in the history of DC to manipulate the Omega Force. Darkseid let Raker live.

Here's the fight, which is interrupted by the Guardians.
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb5081e4jpgorig4do.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb5081cbjpgorig9nm.jpg

Darkseid choses to accept a truce with the Guardians, on the condition that he gets Raker. the Guardians, not wanting to pick a fight, agree.
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb505ce1jpgorig3vm.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb505cd9jpgorig2mh.jpg

That shovel must have been pretty uber, considering what DS does to Raker's power battery.
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt309nastynat5mp.jpg
Guess that was a cosmic shovel, eh?

This orange girl was sparring with Raker and doing pretty well. DS snapped her neck. And btw, the corp was decimated when they tried to attack Apokolips, the guardians sued for peace.
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt345nastynat5ed.jpg
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt353nastynat6jx.jpg
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt354nastynat6ey.jpg

Darkseid himself reveals that he let Raker live.
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern7uj.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern12bl.jpg

3. The god damn Black Racer doesn't know where victims of the wipeout effect go. http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fba997dbjpgorig1ek.jpg It's not a teleport, it's a wipeout.

The OE goes through everything except it's target.
http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds2uv.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds11qm.jpg

Speedblitzes Supes.
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds24wi.jpg

Uses the Omega Beams on Dregs (Zombie Old Gods)
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9d5ea75jpgorig6dw.jpg

And don't bring Nvr's reasoning into this. It's a crossover, thus, not canon. And even it wasn't, it's freaking Galactus. Note the illustration of the OE affecting DS. It did work, Galactus just willed himself back. The white silhouette is the OE's effect on a being, as has been depicted for years.

Proof that DS killed pantheons.
http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jkfw03185mr.jpg
http://img326.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jkfw04151ls.jpg

That's enough for now.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I wasn't saying he's as strong or durable as Validus. Just that he's powerful enough to beat Validus, Thanos isn't.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wrong fight. that was later on.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The heart doesn't count, and all the things he did in the IG saga are easily duplicatible by DS. Let's see Thanos stop Ares w/e the Godwave with his prep time. 😈

As for Ares w/Godwave...

rotfl

Thanos has PERSONALLY aquired multiversal power given prep, which is far supperior to just stalling someone like Ares.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The OE's teleportation involves being erased first. IE: They survived it only by Darkseid's discretion. I posted those scans to explain how the teleportation by the OE works. You get erased, then reformed elsewhere.
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9e5b5a6jpgorig7xv.jpg

http://img435.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vaporizes8cb.jpg

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's the exact same function. Erasing them just leaves out the last step.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where and when was that established?

Originally posted by Desaad
It never has been, explicitly.

Long ago, a poster named Jimmy hyper-analyzed a quote from a New God named Sleez that, to some degree, indicated that when he was teleported he was wiped out for a second.

It could just as easily been Byrne's poetic side coming through, though.

I suspect its become something of an internet myth as Jimmy's Darkseid Respect Thread makes specific mention of this theory and has been circulating for a while now.

It's all fan based speculatory interpretation of a SINGLE instance. So what actual PROOF do you have to support that theory?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's go over those showings.
Ok.
1 was retconned. That was Desaad.
http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=retcon9ha.jpg[/B]

Ok I saw DS talking to Desaad about impersonating him, but I never saw him mention that fight in particular. I DID see a single panel of Supes fighting DS that COULD be this particular fight, but I saw nothing concrete to that effect.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2 was inconclusive and from S/B, a dubious source.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
3 was when Darkseid was weakened from using his power to boost Supes who broke Imperiex's armor. He still stalemated Superman.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
4 was Apokolips Now. 😘 Apokolips Now was just a bad showing, and despite the craptacular writing, [B]I can't say anything against it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
5 was S/B and had many extenuating circumstances. First, Wondy deflected the OB back at Darkseid. Second, Supes had a sun-amp. Third, Supes had a motherbox. and 4th, Jeph Loeb was writing. 😛

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2nd, you'll find that the only times Darkseid loses to a top tier that badly are to Superman. No other top tier gets anywhere near as much as Supes. You're refusing to acknowledge his massive jobber aura. you're also using characterizations from H/P, written by Dan Jurgens, a man who has no concept of Darkseid's character.

Cont. on next post...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Infinity Man, Blasphemy, Secret, Aggog, Lobo

Secret.
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youngjustice37115hk.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youngjustice37128ty.jpg

The barrier holding IM prisoner.
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foreverpeople011080nw.jpg

Blasfemy
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pd3da497dec8d1e77e1fbc60db204a16b/fb9772a1.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p0185292573d8698f5c2b3ef2cb8d5552/fb97729c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pe6a9fd1a531e2181465df7036ec14505/fb977295.jpg

Despite this, a DS avatar walks up to Blasphemy, and fries him point-blank.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pfb700d0239af41ae30c19a0dca247350/fb977017.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p9d8f230eac94b9c36a1673697f858e4c/fb977015.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p7bb7be6db6fd90b6a730a10ccfe514bf/fb977010.jpg

Aggog beats on Orion&Lightray.
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f360jpgorig7he.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f35bjpgorig3xv.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f358jpgorig5jd.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4edd6jpgorig1xt.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4edd4jpgorig6ni.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f8d0jpgorig2fk.jpg

Here's what happens when DS tries it.
http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbd4f8d3jpgorig9mc.jpg

In Lobo's own book, he gets owned by DS. He only survived due to a bizarre timewarp. Lobo, supposedly unkillable, was almost killed by DS.
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkseidlobo15qu2fo.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbbed877jpgorig8ta.jpg

And just so you know, yes Lobo is supposed to be unkillable but the thing is that Lobo regenerates, while Supes just resist damage. Lobo DOES have impressive durability no doubt, but he gets hurt A LOT more than Supes(he just heals the damage he's taken).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2. Supes was covered, and you forgot the jobber aura. Wondy's shield blocks just about anything. Firestorm is the only person in the history of DC to manipulate the Omega Force. Darkseid let Raker live.

Here's the fight, which is interrupted by the Guardians.
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb5081e4jpgorig4do.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb5081cbjpgorig9nm.jpg

Darkseid choses to accept a truce with the Guardians, on the condition that he gets Raker. the Guardians, not wanting to pick a fight, agree.
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb505ce1jpgorig3vm.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb505cd9jpgorig2mh.jpg

That shovel must have been pretty uber, considering what DS does to Raker's power battery.
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt309nastynat5mp.jpg
Guess that was a cosmic shovel, eh?

This orange girl was sparring with Raker and doing pretty well. DS snapped her neck. And btw, the corp was decimated when they tried to attack Apokolips, the guardians sued for peace.
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt345nastynat5ed.jpg
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt353nastynat6jx.jpg
http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl80pggnt354nastynat6ey.jpg

Darkseid himself reveals that he let Raker live.
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern7uj.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lantern12bl.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
3. The god damn Black Racer doesn't know where victims of the wipeout effect go. http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fba997dbjpgorig1ek.jpg It's not a teleport, it's a wipeout.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The OE goes through everything except it's target.
http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds2uv.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds11qm.jpg

A. Has a forcefield tough enough that Galactus has to exert himself to bust through.
B. Has arguably the best durability in comics.
C. Is completely barred from Deaths Realm, which makes him immortal for all intents and purposes.
D. Has energy blast FAR supperior to Heatvision(which has deflected the OE before).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Speedblitzes Supes.
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ds24wi.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Uses the Omega Beams on Dregs (Zombie Old Gods)
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9d5ea75jpgorig6dw.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And don't bring Nvr's reasoning into this. It's a crossover, thus, not canon. And even it wasn't, it's freaking Galactus. Note the illustration of the OE affecting DS. It did work, Galactus just willed himself back. The white silhouette is the OE's effect on a being, as has been depicted for years.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Proof that DS killed pantheons.
http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jkfw03185mr.jpg
http://img326.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jkfw04151ls.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That's enough for now.

Not by a long shot Trick.

And something else just occured to me. Remember the fight between Byrne's Supes and DS? Well take a close look at this particular panel...

DS himself says that if he weren't able to resist the OE, his body wouldn't be able to contain it. That means that if it couldn't be resisted via durability DS never would have gotten it in the first place because it would have destroyed him.

So let's see...

A.The OE has been flat put resisted by Supes, Doomsday, and DS himself through nothing more that durability(which Thanos has in abundance).
B. It's been deflected/blocked by Supes, WW, Ryker, and Firestorm.

Hmm...I still see it being something that Thanos could deal with.

Goober, I'm going to give you a chance to back off something. Either you back off from using the Hunger, or I bring in GDS, 7 soldiers, etc. You said any DS appearence is canon? Guess what, you just changed the rules and gave me the opening to use those.

So back off from the Hunger, or I pull out GDS.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober, I'm going to give you a chance to back off something. Either you back off from using the Hunger, or I bring in GDS, 7 soldiers, etc. You said any DS appearence is canon? Guess what, you just changed the rules and gave me the opening to use those.

So back off from the Hunger, or I pull out GDS.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok. Any feats or arcs you want disbarred?

Originally posted by Soljer
[QUOTE=9573705]Originally posted by darthgoober
Just what we talked about before, no future versions and no Seven Soldiers or later.

Pre Seven Soldiers was the version we agreed on for this match, and GDS is an alternate future which means that it's not canon to DS's current character. Both of those things were specifically talked about, but other than those I ok'd your using ANYTHING with DS in it remember...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well here we are, the first Battle Zone fight. I'll ask all non participants to refrain from posting in this thread because this is a solo debate between TricksterPriest and myself. This is a non-official, standard match where TricksterPriest will represent classic Darkseid, and I'll be representing classic Thanos. Here are some of the specific details of the match...

Darkseid-Trickster is allowed to use all of DS's printed Pre Seven Soldiers arc(no Seven Soldiers showings though) because technically there's only one Darkseid in DC. The only limitation to this, is alternate versions of DS from future timelines(such as the GDS) as per Forum Rules.

Thanos-I will be allowed to use all of Thanos's canon appearances, including the showings of Thanos's LOW LEVEL clones. When I say low level I mean the "standard" Thanos clones that are often mistaken for him, but not clones like Omega or X which are DNA amalgams of Thanos and another character.

Now here's where it gets tricky because rather than just try to convince the judges that our characters would win the majority in a fight between the two, Trickster and I have a some special victory conditions for this fight. Trickster's goal is to convince the judges that Darkseid is completely out of Thanos's league, and that Darkseid would beat Thanos in a forum match 10/10. My goal on the other hand is to show that the two are closer in power than most are willing to give Thanos credit for, and convince the judges that Thanos could win at least one match out of 10 between the two. So it's basically an "all or nothing" affair, because in the end it comes down to whether or not it's POSSIBLE for Thanos to win.

With all that being said, since most are regarding Trick as being the underdog in this match I'll let him present his case first(and the time of his first post will mark the beginning of the 24 hour time limit)...

(Just FYI even though I included a poll, it won't be taken into consideration as far as the match winner goes(because of possible sock interference). I'm only including it so people can put their two cents in without having to spam the match. But I'll still ask people to refrain from voting at least until we get a chance to present our initial arguments.)

So sorry, but I have no intention of letting YOU change the rules that we've already agreed upon. If you want to forfeit though because you can't win without ignoring specifically agreed upon match conditions though that's fine with me....

You can't throw GDS out and use the Hunger. That's BS. I was fine with the set rules, but you're using freaking crossovers.

you are using crossovers and claiming that they are canon to Darkseid because there is only one Darkseid. So what's stopping me from using GDS?

There's some blatent hypocrisy here. ❌

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well here we are, the first Battle Zone fight. I'll ask all non participants to refrain from posting in this thread because this is a solo debate between TricksterPriest and myself. This is a non-official, standard match where TricksterPriest will represent classic Darkseid, and I'll be representing classic Thanos. Here are some of the specific details of the match...

Darkseid-Trickster is allowed to use all of DS's printed Pre Seven Soldiers arc(no Seven Soldiers showings though) because technically there's only one Darkseid in DC. The only limitation to this, is alternate versions of DS from future timelines(such as the GDS) as per Forum Rules.

Thanos-I will be allowed to use all of Thanos's canon appearances, including the showings of Thanos's LOW LEVEL clones. When I say low level I mean the "standard" Thanos clones that are often mistaken for him, but not clones like Omega or X which are DNA amalgams of Thanos and another character.

Now here's where it gets tricky because rather than just try to convince the judges that our characters would win the majority in a fight between the two, Trickster and I have a some special victory conditions for this fight. Trickster's goal is to convince the judges that Darkseid is completely out of Thanos's league, and that Darkseid would beat Thanos in a forum match 10/10. My goal on the other hand is to show that the two are closer in power than most are willing to give Thanos credit for, and convince the judges that Thanos could win at least one match out of 10 between the two. So it's basically an "all or nothing" affair, because in the end it comes down to whether or not it's POSSIBLE for Thanos to win.

With all that being said, since most are regarding Trick as being the underdog in this match I'll let him present his case first(and the time of his first post will mark the beginning of the 24 hour time limit)...

(Just FYI even though I included a poll, it won't be taken into consideration as far as the match winner goes(because of possible sock interference). I'm only including it so people can put their two cents in without having to spam the match. But I'll still ask people to refrain from voting at least until we get a chance to present our initial arguments.)

"because technically there's only one Darkseid in DC."

So you're trying to claim Thanos from a crossover is equal to Darkseid?

and that the Hunger, a non-canon crossover, is somehow canon to Darkseid.

So what evidence have you got that puts this crossover Thanos on par with regular Thanos?

I was fine with all of this. Hell, even losing wouldn't have bothered me much. But bringing out non-canon crossovers to prove your point?

You're violating your own rules. And it seems to me, that if you don't back off or compromise, you should be DQed. If there's only one DS, then what right have you to bar GDS, etc?

I request a judge vote on the matter.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"because technically there's only one Darkseid in DC."

So you're trying to claim Thanos from a crossover is equal to Darkseid?

and that the Hunger, a non-canon crossover, is somehow canon to Darkseid.

So what evidence have you got that puts this crossover Thanos on par with regular Thanos?

I was fine with all of this. Hell, even losing wouldn't have bothered me much. But bringing out non-canon crossovers to prove your point?

You're violating your own rules. And it seems to me, that if you don't back off or compromise, you should be DQed. If there's only one DS, then what right have you to bar GDS, etc?

I request a judge vote on the matter.

Judges, are crossovers allowed?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Judges, are crossovers allowed?

It's just occurred to me that I've spent far more time focusing on the failings of DS than I have on the capabilities of Thanos, so I figured I'd go ahead and touch on that a little more because I'd rather not win JUST because of the Hunger.

Here we see Eros talking to Drax and Surfer(who believes that he just killed Thanos)...

Now think about that. According to Eros, the "fake" Thanos was EASILY as strong as that Hulk(whom Eros knew from his time with the Avengers), and Thanos has that level of strength NATURALLY. Of course as we all know at one point Thanos DID receive bionic enhancement, but like Eros said he didn't NEED it to match the Hulk's strength level. Of course WITH the bionic enhancement Thanos was an absolute beast...

(knocking Mar-Vell from Saturn to Earth)

And after Thanos's first "death", he was resurrected by Mistress Death who "greatly enhances his might"...

So how powerful was he post resurrection?

Powerful enough to easily breaks Quasar's force field which couldn't been broken by the Alpha Flight ,X-men and Avengers...
http://img313.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energy111gl8.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8749/energy112ck2.jpg

And then go on to take on Thor, Herculese, the Hulk, and Thing ALL AT ONCE...
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...erculesthor.jpg

Now let's face it, those things ALONE qualify Thanos as a likely threat to DS, and they're all from BEFORE Thanos's last upgrade in the End. AFTER his upgrade in the End, he racks up even more impressive feats and demonstrates an even greater level of power. I've already shown his blasting Galactus post upgrade, so let's look some of his other post upgrade feats...

Beats the Fallen One...
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsfallenone.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsfallenone1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsfallenone2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsfallenone3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsfallenone4.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsfallenone5.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsfallenone6.jpg

Here he nearly beats Galactus telepathically...
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9950/energy281yz9.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4827/energy282jp2.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4483/energy283sy8.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4251/energy284sb8.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8898/energy285od2.jpg

And let's not forget his fight with the Maker(a cube being)...
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsmakerf2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsmakerf21.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsmakerf22.jpg
*This was before he finished her off via mind shutdown*

I know what people are thinking "big deal he has some high end feats", but you know what...those are pretty much the only showings that Thanos has post upgrade. There's NO showings post upgrade that indicate that Thanos's post upgrade feats are PIS or a fluke, so the feats have to be taken at face value.

Here let's review...

Thanos is strong enough to...
A. Knock someone like Mar-Vell Saturn to Earth...
B. Shatter Quasar's construct(that's resisted the combined might of Alpha Flight ,X-men and Avengers)...
C. Overpower Thor, Herculese, the Hulk, and Thing...

His energy blast are sufficient to...
A. Blow Glactus though the Hull of his own ship and damage his armor
B. Put down herald level guys like Surfer, Thor, and the Fallen One with ease
C. Knock Classic Magus for a loop...
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/?action=view&current=thanosblastsmagus.jpg

His durability is sufficient to...
A. Take everything Odin dishes out
B. Take shots from Magus with an incomplete Infinity Guantlet
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1786/infintywars0616hh5.jpg

His personal force fields are so powerful that even a WELL FED Galactus has to exert himself to blast through them...
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6706/energy31uw6.jpg

His mental abilities are sufficient enough to...
A. KO the Maker
B. Nearly take down Galactus
C. Resist the Mind Gem

He's resistant to transmutation, and even reality warping...
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2626/thanosquest110va2.jpg

And let's not forget, Thanos has a MUCH better track record against individual opponents of significant power. He's beaten on guys like Thor and Surfer NUMEROUS times, and even powerful opponents such as Odin and Tyrant have been unable to put him down for the count.

So when you look at all the evidence from an objective standpoint, I think it's save to say that Thanos IS a threat to Darkseid. Hell Trickster hasn't even shown anything that definitely gives DS the majority over post upgrade Thanos, let alone beating him 10/10. The claim in and of itself is utterly ludicrous, and completely unfounded.

Alright the match is over. Judges you can make your votes whenever you're ready.

*waits*

Gotta save the best for last, right?

🙂.