If Germany and Japan won World War 2 ...?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That is true, but let's be honest, the US carried the Allies. All three major Allied Powers; UK, USA and USSR were all importnant and did their parts, but the US pulled its weight even more than the other two. Aside from taking Berlin in April of '45 can you name any German-Russian battle in which the Russians weren't just protecting their own asses?

One thing I really don't like is when the History Channel has a show about the Pacific War and they say Japanese vs Allied forces......🤨......um, can we be a little more specific there? I don't recall any South Pacific battles in which British or Soviet troops took an island from the Japanese.

Way to be completely shortsighted.

Give me an example of US doing more than all the other Allies? Are we just talking actual battles?

Or we talk the whole scope of it?

Because either way each Allied power did some to contribute incredibly to WW2.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Way to be completely shortsighted.

How? What am I not seeing or realizing? I consider myself a WW2 buff, so if I need to be straightened out on anything, by all means do it.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Give me an example of US doing more than all the other Allies? Are we just talking actual battles?

Or we talk the whole scope of it?

Battles won, production capabilities, materiel and personnel.

And to answer that first question: just take a look at the Pacific War, the combatants on both sides, and the victors in those various campaigns. Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, Wake Island, Saipan, Peleilu, Tarawa, Okinawa etc etc etc.

UK and USSR were practiacally backed into a corner, so the US had to do all the traveling to make up for their slack.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Because either way each Allied power did some to contribute incredibly to WW2.

I agree and I already said that. The UK's main contribution was giving the US a staging area for D-day, and Russia was more of a psychological edge for the Allies. Their mere size and close proximity to Germany took some heat from the western front.

So basically, the British gave an staging area and thats it?

No; main. They were at D-day also, so was Canada. And the British helped out on the European mainland.

No, no, no.

Your saying it like the US invaded Europe and the other Allies just helped out.

In reality, the Allies invaded Europe, not just the States with some help.

Originally posted by Smasandian

Your saying it like the US invaded Europe and the other Allies just helped out.

In reality, the Allies invaded Europe, not just the States with some help.

Yes to the first one, and the opposite to you what said on the second sentance.

I'm not saying the other Allies did nothing, but they didn't do as much as the US. America won that war....England and Russia helped us do that.

I know what your saying.

I'm saying its bullshit. America didnt win the war....the Allies won because all of them helped out. (In reality, there isnt a clear cut way of finding that out)

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm not saying the other Allies did nothing, but they didn't do as much as the US. America won that war....England and Russia helped us do that.

Without Russia having engaged Germany when Hitler broke there peace theaty I would have liked to see the way the Americans was planning on winning. The Allies won not because of Number alone but also the fact that the germans was tired from the blitzkrieg that lasted from 1939 to 1943 when they began to lose the steam rapidly, and hitler becomming insane had probbaly something to do with it to.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

I'm not saying the other Allies did nothing, but they didn't do as much as the US. America won that war....England and Russia helped us do that.

In terms of Europe you have just insulted Russia, the Ost front was the biggest and longest land war fought. Hitler bled his army's white in Russia which cost him dearly when he faced 1944, the Ost Front had only one rule win or die.

Originally posted by Koenig
In terms of Europe you have just insulted Russia, the Ost front was the biggest and longest land war fought. Hitler bled his army's white in Russia which cost him dearly when he faced 1944, the Ost Front had only one rule win or die.

agreed

Originally posted by Utrigita
Without Russia having engaged Germany when Hitler broke there peace theaty I would have liked to see the way the Americans was planning on winning. The Allies won not because of Number alone but also the fact that the germans was tired from the blitzkrieg that lasted from 1939 to 1943 when they began to lose the steam rapidly, and hitler becomming insane had probbaly something to do with it to.

Originally posted by Koenig
In terms of Europe you have just insulted Russia, the Ost front was the biggest and longest land war fought. Hitler bled his army's white in Russia which cost him dearly when he faced 1944, the Ost Front had only one rule win or die.

I already said that Russia's presence and close proximity to Germany helped out.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I already said that Russia's presence and close proximity to Germany helped out.

Your wording sounded like America saved the world from Germany & Japan with some minor help from the Allies. 😉

PS: I'm not the first to see it.

Originally posted by Koenig
Your wording sounded like America saved the world from Germany & Japan with some minor help from the Allies. 😉

PS: I'm not the first to see it.

That's basically what I'm saying, yes. I've never said that American acted alone, but we certainly did the most. I'm the first to acknowledge that England and Russia did their parts.

I won't dispute the pacific front as America committed 60% of there force there and in Europe it was 40%. But the fact stands the largest Allied army in Europe was the Russian Army, as I said they bled Hitler's army white on the Ost Front. Hitler only made those big gains in 41/42 due to Stalin wiping out a number of officer's in about 1937 and the dreadful war with Finland in 39/40 only proved Stalin made a error.

The Battle of Moscow showed the Germans they could be stopped and after Stalingrad 42/43 this showed the Russians they were now able to beat the Germans. And in the summer of 43 Kursk was a major victory for the Soviet Union, as this was the battle that stopped Hitler in his tracks. From this point on the Red Army would drive Hitler out of Russia and on the 23rd June 1944 the Soviet army launched there great summer offensive, Operation Bagration.

UK would get f*cked

Originally posted by Koenig
Your wording sounded like America saved the world from Germany & Japan with some minor help from the Allies. 😉

PS: I'm not the first to see it.

Originally posted by grey fox
I have to agree here. Looks like Uncle Sam likes to edit his own history books....

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
It would seem so, wouldn't it? Admittedly, America did save the war during War World I; Germany and the Central powers would have defeated the Entente within six months if America didn't join. But to say America was the one and only power behind the Allies is just dumb.

America wasn't the great hero of World War I they only stopped being neutral when the germans declared full sub war thus hurting USA finances. Until that point of time USA where following Monroe Doctrine to the letter.

Also France and England and there allies was pretty much holding out until 1917 when the russian revolution led to the ost front being dissolved, but the german war machine, no matter how many men they got germany was still like England stuck in the trenches. And in 1917 it was only a question of time before the home front in germany would collapse.

Originally posted by Koenig
I won't dispute the pacific front as America committed 60% of there force there and in Europe it was 40%. But the fact stands the largest Allied army in Europe was the Russian Army, as I said they bled Hitler's army white on the Ost Front. Hitler only made those big gains in 41/42 due to Stalin wiping out a number of officer's in about 1937 and the dreadful war with Finland in 39/40 only proved Stalin made a error.

The Battle of Moscow showed the Germans they could be stopped and after Stalingrad 42/43 this showed the Russians they were now able to beat the Germans. And in the summer of 43 Kursk was a major victory for the Soviet Union, as this was the battle that stopped Hitler in his tracks. From this point on the Red Army would drive Hitler out of Russia and on the 23rd June 1944 the Soviet army launched there great summer offensive, Operation Bagration.

agreed

Originally posted by Utrigita
America wasn't the great hero of World War I they only stopped being neutral when the germans declared full sub war thus hurting USA finances. Until that point of time USA where following Monroe Doctrine to the letter.

Also France and England and there allies was pretty much holding out until 1917 when the russian revolution led to the ost front being dissolved, but the german war machine, no matter how many men they got germany was still like England stuck in the trenches. And in 1917 it was only a question of time before the home front in germany would collapse.