If Germany and Japan won World War 2 ...?

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
The reason why America entered has no bearing on the fact that, when they did enter, they saved the Entente powers.

Thats true but you make them sounds like they came like the mysterious stranger riding on his horse with guns blazing clearing out all opposition. On fact is that America wasn't the heroes of World War I, they entered for selfish reasons and that is a well documented fact.

sorry it wasn't you that maked it sound in that way my bad.

No, the surplus and addition of troops coming to the Western front would have overtaken the Entente powers, and it was the American troops entering the war that offset that; it's as simple as that.

No it wouldn't what make you think that a war that have raged for about 3 years without anyone gaining a advantage no matter what methods was utilized would suddenly change because of the extra men from the Ost Front? Fact is that it wouldn't. The western front would have been pushed back but so slowly that it would probably be years before the war would have ended and at that point of time the home front for the germans would already have cracked, it was always just a matter of time.

No the English were mostly the biggest fighters and they were on the verge of collapsing.

I think we would have been taken over, become communist, then broke free.

Why do some Europeans get so upset at the fact that if it wasn't for the US the Allies most likely would have lost the First World War?

I'm British and have no trouble accepting that fact...

Russia won WW2

Originally posted by inimalist
Russia won WW2

How exactly?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
How exactly?

They were on the winning side.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
They were on the winning side.

I thought he meant, Russia won, all other nations lost.

Yes inimalist I was going to say that. If it was not for Russia's huge military might and it's freezing -20 degree winters Germany would have gained controll of Russia then most if not all of Europe and then went on to most likely defeat the U.S with the help of Japan and the other axis nations. I don't know America's role in WW1 but it was certainly Russia who in a sense saved the day for the allies in WW2. America didn't even bother with WW2 until nearly 3 years after it started and even then it was only because Japan attacked them and so Germany and Italy decalred war on the U.S, they entered through no choice of there own.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
How exactly?

Defeating the brunt of the German offensive and capturing half of Europe, gaining international power that exists until this day, redefining the balance of power in the world for more than half a century...

And I would argue that their victories and sacrifices at least rival, if not far exceed those of the Americans.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How would the world be now, in 2007, had U.S. and the allies lost W.W.2 to Germany and Japan?

they most likely wouldn't take britain

even less likely they'd take the u.s.

eventually we would join their clan, breed with their women and in time our differences would be forgotten

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
How exactly?

Originally posted by Smasandian
It all doesnt matter because we had the bomb in the end and we would of just dropped it on Berlin and all of Germany.

Boom. No more WW2.

America could only construct its bomb because a German U-Boat - U234 left from Denmark to go to Japan carrying Uranium so that the Japs could make their own A-Bomb surrendered after Germany collapsed.

If D-Day had failed, the US would not have been able to create a bomb...

Oh and to answer the original question...there'd be no black people.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
America could only construct its bomb because a German U-Boat - U234 left from Denmark to go to Japan carrying Uranium so that the Japs could make their own A-Bomb surrendered after Germany collapsed.

wow, i was totally unaware of that

Originally posted by inimalist
wow, i was totally unaware of that

I could be wrong, but that was certainly what a History documentary was saying...
http://www.ihffilm.com/840.html
apparently the Japanese on board committed suicide after trying to blow up the U-Boat...to stop the American's getting the Uranium.

Originally posted by Magee
Yes inimalist I was going to say that. If it was not for Russia's huge military might and it's freezing -20 degree winters Germany would have gained controll of Russia then most if not all of Europe and then went on to most likely defeat the U.S with the help of Japan and the other axis nations. I don't know America's role in WW1 but it was certainly Russia who in a sense saved the day for the allies in WW2. America didn't even bother with WW2 until nearly 3 years after it started and even then it was only because Japan attacked them and so Germany and Italy decalred war on the U.S, they entered through no choice of there own.

And the Hammer-&-Sickle flying over the Reichstag.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I could be wrong, but that was certainly what a History documentary was saying...
http://www.ihffilm.com/840.html
apparently the Japanese on board committed suicide after trying to blow up the U-Boat...to stop the American's getting the Uranium.

ya, there is a wiki on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_234

I must have misunderstood you, I took what you meant as saying that was the origins of the american nuclear program, but ya, if japan had a bomb in 44, that would have changed things a lot.

However, I am pretty sure, with the exception of Hawaii and Alaska, that it would be almost impossibly difficult to drop a bomb on the american mainland (although, I could be overestimating their detection abilities)

Originally posted by inimalist
Defeating the brunt of the German offensive and capturing half of Europe, gaining international power that exists until this day, redefining the balance of power in the world for more than half a century...

And I would argue that their victories and sacrifices at least rival, if not far exceed those of the Americans.

Yeah Russia definitely made the most sacrifice in the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

It would be impossible, because they lacked a bomber that had the fuel capabilities. But they did have a mission where they wanted to drop the bubonic plague on San Diego.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How would the world be now, in 2007, had U.S. and the allies lost W.W.2 to Germany and Japan?

We'd all be eating shit and raw fish?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Orale! The US practically carried the Allies.

It was an equal effort.