Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd she was having such difficulty holding the baby universe too..Cause holding a newly formed universe really shows that Eternity can beat her... I mean it was so heavy and she could barely hold it. [/sarcasm]
Stops at 9, Eternity wins.Phoenix held a baby Universe in her hands (Reality 15104)
Uatu did the same thing, no biggi.
Baby universe...🙄
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus2
Sorry, already been done on panel.
Actually Galactus has never used the UN on Phoenix.
Galactus did however use his tech on Phoenix,
the result was Phoenix getting erased from existence.
Luckily, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) Death and the Watcher talked him out of it.
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus2
Galactus lasted for about a minute before Phoenix punked him.
You must be referring to this: (Phoenix vs a starving Galactus)
Phoenix even knows she's fighting a HUNGRY (WEAK) Galactus
Originally posted by Creshosk
And she was having such difficulty holding the baby universe too..Cause holding a newly formed universe really shows that Eternity can beat her... I mean it was so heavy and she could barely hold it. [/sarcasm]Baby universe...
The actual embodiment of the Phoenix Force (without a Host)
meaning the most powerful version.
Got curbstomped by the Goblin Force.
The 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.
Eternity created the Celestials with a thought.
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Uatu speaks,
"We are the Watchers, we observe, we Know that which the Goblin Entity is capable of,
We were there, at the Birth of the Universe, and witnessed the Goblin Entity begin,
watched as the blight of the Goblin Entity spread across the ever expanding Universe,
and threat Creation itself"
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The 5 Host of Celestails >>>>>> The Phoenix Force or Galactus
"We watched as it DEVOURED the Phoenix Force and added its Power to its own,
watched as Galactus himself fell before it's Power,
Only when the Fifth Host of Celestials stood before its Power was the Goblin Entity halted,
their great Race devastated, they managed to diminish its Power and contain it"
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No need for [/sarcasm] just Facts. 🙄
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Galactus has never used the UN on Phoenix.Galactus did however use his tech on Phoenix,
the result was Phoenix getting erased from existence.Luckily, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) Death and the Watcher talked him out of it.
You must be referring to this: (Phoenix vs a starving Galactus)
Phoenix even knows she's fighting a HUNGRY (WEAK) Galactus
That quote "You have not the strength to continue this conflict" came after she 1 shotted him. Galactus was weak but this was also a weak PF version. JeanPF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RachaelPF.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The actual embodiment of the Phoenix Force (without a Host)
meaning the most powerful version.Got curbstomped by the Goblin Force.
The 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.
Eternity created the Celestials with a thought.
................................................................................................
Uatu speaks,
"We are the Watchers, we observe, we Know that which the Goblin Entity is capable of,
We were there, at the Birth of the Universe, and witnessed the Goblin Entity begin,
watched as the blight of the Goblin Entity spread across the ever expanding Universe,
and threat Creation itself"
................................................................................................
The 5 Host of Celestails >>>>>> The Phoenix Force or Galactus
"We watched [B]as it DEVOURED the Phoenix Force
and added its Power to its own,watched as Galactus himself fell before it's Power,
Only when the Fifth Host of Celestials stood before its Power was the Goblin Entity halted,
their great Race devastated, they managed to diminish its Power and contain it"
................................................................................................
No need for [/sarcasm] just Facts. 🙄 [/B]
Lets not forget that we actually know nothing about that particular fight which involved the Goblin Force and the 5 fth celestial Host.
Originally posted by Sundipped
That quote "You have not the strength to continue this conflict"came after she 1 shotted him.
"One shotted him?"
More like THREE Shots!
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Phoenix (Rachel Summers who MERGED/became One with the Force)
vs a STARVING Galactus:
They meet:
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Hit one!
Phoenix attacks first,
she explodes Galactus' converter and blows Galactus away:
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Galactus goes down on one knee, gets back up and attacks Phoenix,
Phoenix blocks his attack:
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Hit Two!
Phoenix lets out a omni-blast,
Galactus blocks the attack:
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Galactus strikes again,
Phoenix again blocks Galactus' attack:
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Hit Three!
Phoenix strikes Galactus in the face with a uni-blast:
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STARVING Galactus finally goes down,
this is when Phoenix makes her quote:
"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"
Originally posted by Sundipped
Galactus was weak but this was also a weak PF version. JeanPF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RachaelPF.
Actually on panel, the Rachel that fought that STARVING Galactus
was everything Jean became afterwards:
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel:
"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
... Again ....
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel:
"You are the ONE TRUE Phoenix"
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Rachel was never weak,
in fact,
Rachel = Jean
Like mother, like daughter.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Lets not forget that we actually know nothing about that particular fight which involved the Goblin Force and the 5 fth celestial Host.
Let's remember that we do Know that,
the Goblin Force devoured and absorbed the embodiment of the Phoenix Force,
and the 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.
How the 5th Host defeated the Goblin Force is inconsequential,
the Watcher didn't speculate about it, neither should we.
5th Host > Goblin Force >>> Phoenix Force, period. 🙂
Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Not to argue with your last statement but i heard somewhere Rachel only used a small fraction of the force through out her Phoenix career (which was still massively powerful)
Don't believe the hype, alot of fallacious rumors have been made about Phoenix.
Like Phoenix preserving Galactus during his incubation. 😆
And many more, but that's not what the thread is about.
Unless it's stated on panel, it's just empty bravado.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Let's remember that we do Know that,
the Goblin Force devoured and absorbed the embodiment of the Phoenix Force,and the 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.
How the 5th Host defeated the Goblin Force is inconsequential,
the Watcher didn't speculate about it, neither should we.5th Host > Goblin Force >>> Phoenix Force, period. 🙂
Sorry but its in no way inconsequential how the Goblin force was defeated by the Celestials.
As shown above Galactus lost to the Phoenix Force in a direct confrontation but we still have a showing of him trapping the force with his tech thereforce I doesn't make the statement that Galactus>>>the Phoenix.
Also Uatu Clearly says "they Managed to contain it" doesn't sound like a regular ***** slapping to me. Also that Jean with a small fraction of the force managed to blow away Arishems hand is impressive then having the same energy but at a unlimited degree must be alot more damaging.
Also the fact that the Goblin Force manages to absorb a beings energy doesn't make it more powerful then the Force. 😂 its turning in to a GS post 😆
Actually I'm just arguing for Galactus > A Celestial 😄
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]"One shotted him?"More like THREE Shots!
....................................................................................................
Phoenix (Rachel Summers who MERGED/became One with the Force)
vs a STARVING Galactus:
They meet:
....................................................................................................
Hit one!
Phoenix attacks first,
she explodes Galactus' converter and blows Galactus away:
....................................................................................................
That was only an attack on the converter. It was not even directed towards Galactus. Now that I look at it, it made Galactus look even worse by falling from an indirect attack.
[QUOTE]Galactus goes down on one knee, gets back up and attacks Phoenix,
Phoenix blocks his attack:
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Hit Two!
Phoenix lets out a omni-blast,
Galactus blocks the attack:
....................................................................................................
This was not an attack. This was just a flareup or display of power letting u know Rachael is getting serious. It does look like an awesome display of power and I can see how u could assume it was an attack but it wasn't.
Galactus strikes again,Phoenix again blocks Galactus' attack:
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Correct.
Hit Three!Phoenix strikes Galactus in the face with a uni-blast:
No this was hit 1. The first hit. The infamous 1 shot.
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STARVING Galactus finally goes down,this is when Phoenix makes her quote:
Correct. The 1 shot zapped the remaining energy he had.
Actually on panel, the Rachel that fought that STARVING Galactuswas everything Jean became afterwards:
I have to disagree. White Crown Phoenix Jean>>>>Dark Phoenix>>> Jean>>>Phoenix Force Rachel. Rachel never reached the level Jean was due to her inexperience. Emma punked her out in a tp battle. This wouldn't have happened to any Jean incarnation.
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel:"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
... Again ....
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel:
"You are the ONE TRUE Phoenix"
I don't take this into context seriously. IMO this is nothing more than an initiation speech.
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Rachel was never weak,in fact,
Rachel = Jean
Like mother, like daughter. [/B]
Not quite. Jean>Rachael
Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry but its in no way inconsequential how the Goblin force was defeated by the Celestials.
5th Host of Celestials > Govlin Force >>> Phoenix Force.
You can always email Marvel and complain, but it is what it is.
Originally posted by Utrigita
As shown above Galactus lost to the Phoenix Force in a direct confrontation
Yea, he was Starving.
Originally posted by Utrigita
but we still have a showing of him trapping the force with his tech thereforce I doesn't make the statement that Galactus>>>the Phoenix.
That was a normal Galactus.
And I never said Galactus > Phoenix
but cats shouldn't bring up Rachel (who was One with the embodiment of the Force)
defeating a Hungry Galactus as evidence of Phoenix > Galactus either.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Also Uatu Clearly says "they Managed to contain it" doesn't sound like a regular ***** slapping to me.
It was defeated, bottomline.
While the same Goblin Force first devoured
then absrobed the embodiment of the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Also that Jean with a small fraction of the force managed to blow away Arishems hand is impressive then having the same energy but at a unlimited degree must be alot more damaging.
Arishem didn't even feel that.
And Thor balsted a hole through Exitar armor with his hammer, and again, it wasn't felt.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Also the fact that the Goblin Force manages to absorb a beings energy doesn't make it more powerful then the Force.
Nah, the fact that it was devoured First though, does.
Originally posted by Utrigita
its turning in to a GS post
ehwtf
Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually I'm just arguing for Galactus > A Celestial
It's plausible.
Originally posted by Sundipped
That was only an attack on the converter. It was not even directed towards Galactus. Now that I look at it, it made Galactus look even worse by falling from an indirect attack.
Exactly, he was Starving.
Rachel blew his converter and he was struck by the explosion.
Originally posted by Sundipped
This was not an attack. This was just a flareup or display of power letting u know Rachael is getting serious.
Really?
Where is that stated?
Originally posted by Sundipped
It does look like an awesome display of power and I can see how u could assume it was an attack but it wasn't.
You're willfully ignoring on panel art, cool.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Correct.
No doubt.
Originally posted by Sundipped
No this was hit 1. The first hit. The infamous 1 shot.
In your opinion, and it's respected right or wrong.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Correct. The 1 shot zapped the remaining energy he had.
You see one, I see Two direct hits, and one indirect hit = 3. 🙂
Originally posted by Sundipped
I have to disagree. White Crown Phoenix Jean>>>>Dark Phoenix>>> Jean>>>Phoenix Force Rachel.
What has WPOTC done, that Phoenix Back in day hasn't?
In fact, even an Alternate Phoenix has been more impressive than WPOTC.
An Alternate Phoenix (in a What IF) actually consumed an Alternate Universe.
WPOTC held a 150 year old Universe in her hands. (a Baby)
Uatu did the same thing with a Baby Universe too.
WPOTC has NEVER Destroyed, Remade or Created a single Universe.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Rachel never reached the level Jean was due to her inexperience.
So you say.
Where is this stated?
On Panel the embodiment of the PF said:
"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
So is the Force lying you're saying?
How convenient in order to dismiss the On Panel evidence.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Emma punked her out in a tp battle.
This wouldn't have happened to any Jean incarnation.
Don't make me bring out the embodiment of the PF (Hostless)
MORE powerful than Jean getting stomped by an Alien Ship,
or 6 Heroes,
or Magneto who blew the embodiment of the Phoenix Force into Billions of pieces .
Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't take this into context seriously.
IMO this is nothing more than an initiation speech.
Of course,
cause it states On Panel a fact you dislike.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Not quite. Jean>Rachael
As you wish.
