Originally posted by DarkCrawlerwell stated.
Wolverine is great character. And SOME stories of him are some of the best I have read. But him surviving nuclear bombs and hits from Class 100 characters aren't. That makes him godly. Some writers make him uber-powerful. I like the stories where he fights someone like Punisher, street level fights are always interesting.But I don't like it when he beats people who are stronger, faster, smarter and more durable then he is.
Originally posted by roughrider
I guess this setting is to give Wolvie some fighting chance, but it doesn't matter. Namor batters him around into one building after another, takes to the air, divebombs him, batters him around some more - rinse, repeat - until the sun goes down and Logan's brain is mush. If he grabs his arms and takes him under water, it's over even quicker.
That's the double-truth, Ruth! ✅
See me ride out of the sunset
On your colour TV screen
Out for all that I can get
If you know what I mean
Women to the left of me
And women to the right
Ain't got no gun
Ain't got no knife
Don't you start no fight
'Cause I'm T.N.T., I'm dynamite
(T.N.T.) and I'll win the fight
(T.N.T.) I'm a power load
(T.N.T.) watch me explode
I'm dirty, mean and mighty unclean
I'm a wanted man
Public enemy number one
Understand
So lock up your daughter
Lock up your wife
Lock up your back door
And run for your life
The man is back in town
So don't you mess me 'round
'Cause I'm T.N.T. I'm dynamite
(T.N.T.) and I'll win the fight
(T.N.T.) I'm a power load
(T.N.T.) watch me explode
this is wolverines theme music IMO
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
❌I OWN the comic. Just because I use the pictures it doesn't mean that I automatically APPROVE all of it. Namor standing in one place like complete idiot isn't part of his character. And one stab would never put him down. Especially since Wolverine didn't do any damage to Namor in their earlier meetings.
And by the way, it is U.S.Agent, not Captain America.
Namor is faster, stronger, more durable, more experienced, and better fighter then U.S.Agent. Still, U.S.Agent beats Wolverine, and Namor doesn't?
Don't you see the inconsistency?
(By the way...insults make you look like complete idiot. Just to inform.) 😉
one stab to the gut would stop him. namor had to play dirty just to hurt wolverine. and if namor was supposedly FASTER and had better senses than wolverine, then how come he didnt move out of the way.
namor is stronger, but he is not more durable. wolverine has been stabbed far worse and he was still fighting as much as before. hard punches don't hurt wolverine as bad as a machine gun. and u.s. agent did not even beat wolverine. he only subdued him enough to get his fagot looking friend out of harms way.
and i did not insult you. i just said that you make me sick. i can't control how my body feels.
ya um wolverine last fight with punisher was wolverine walking towards the punisher with the punisher capt trying to blow him up yet all the punisher did was annoy wolverine then he got nocked out. so ur all trying to say that the I think it 7 or 8 fights with the hulk. the 2 or 3 with the thing, the 7 fights or more with rough house, his 5 windigo fights, his two fights with caliban and his 2 fights with herc and many other super strong guys he goes toe to toe with or beats is all not real it just crappy wrighting.................. ya ok guys u keep thinking that
Originally posted by wolverine8888
actly us agent did not even subdue him he hit a tanker be hind wolverine and it blow up destracting wolverine for a couple seconds allowing him time to get away but even thou wolverine was totaly up in flames he was not fazed at all he actauly was going to chase them but his oders got changed.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor has KNOCKED OUT the Hulk with ONE PUNCH. He hit him so bad that he flew to the shore and REVERTED BACK TO BANNER.I don't think Wolverine can top that.
Namor has beaten Hulk three times.
you talk about inconsistency? this is a great example. Hulks healing factor would not be overloaded by one punch from the sub mariner. and when namor actually did that, he was in class 80.
how could a guy in class 80 knock out a guy who has taken punches from class 100 people and still remain concious?
when wolverine was the horseman known as death, he nearly killed the hulk. if it weren't for logan's mind trying to break free of apocalypse's grip, then the hulk would be dead.
wolverine is durable. he has been pumped with enough tranquilizers to kill a bull elephant. he has been shot with a machine gun for hours when he was beserk and still killed everyone in his path
his senses aren't bad either. if you ever get him beserk, his senses are heightened even more, making movements seem to be in slow motion. he could even dodge bullets. that ranks up with spiderman senses.
from the look of things, this little S.O.B. has a good shot.
---namors faster and stronger...namor wins...
"wolverine's taken it to namor once and nearly killed him the second time"
---"those don't count it's pis namors in another league, he's owned hulk!"
"i know he's owned him in water, but has he done so out of water?"
---"....................................................."
"are you aware wolverine's nearly killed the hulk on a coupleof occasions?"
---"those don't count, it's PIS!"
"how about when he knocked herc down? or KOed him?"
---"PIS! wolverine will be paste in one punch"
"wolverine takes punches as hard or harder all the time...🤨"
--"PIS I SAY"
"what's your obsession with peeing? 🤨 "
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerAnd yet in New Avengers #6... Stark, who by your accounts is more experienced and more powerful, could only create a forcefield to protect the New Avengers but not all the innocent Savage Land mutates that everybody got so sore about? Hell, his armor detected the incoming power fluxes that nuked the place several seconds before they blew the place up.
Ultimate Iron Man is nothing like current one. The armor isn't half as durable or has even one quarter of firepower. Also, Ultimate one is much less experienced.
But In Ultimates #11, Ultimate Iron Man, in an instant, by Ultimate Cap's intuition and split-second warning created a fully functioning forcefield for a 3-mile radius and saved not only all the Avengers but scores of SHIELD operatives from a ridiculously large nuke. And after that, took on space cruisers and fighters in the skies and after that lifted an incredibly large space bomb with very poor leverage which looked to be in the several dozens of tons range. Sounds pretty powerful to me.
Not even one quarter of the firepower? I assume you have read the Ultimates, so I don't understand where you get this impression of outclassing.
Oh, and to reiterate... if Wolvie can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk, I don't think he would get purely dominated by Namor as many people here seem to think he would. Unless people have suddenly decided that Hulk v Wolverine, one of the classic rivalries of comicdom is PIS?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And yet in New Avengers #6... Stark, who by your accounts is more experienced and more powerful, could only create a forcefield to protect the New Avengers but not all the innocent Savage Land mutates that everybody got so sore about? Hell, his armor detected the incoming power fluxes that nuked the place several seconds before they blew the place up.But In Ultimates #11, Ultimate Iron Man, in an instant, by Ultimate Cap's intuition and split-second warning created a fully functioning forcefield for a 3-mile radius and saved not only all the Avengers but scores of SHIELD operatives from a ridiculously large nuke. And after that, took on space cruisers and fighters in the skies and after that lifted an incredibly large space bomb with very poor leverage which looked to be in the several dozens of tons range. Sounds pretty powerful to me.
Not even one quarter of the firepower? I assume you have read the Ultimates, so I don't understand where you get this impression of outclassing.
Oh, and to reiterate... if Wolvie can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk, I don't think he would get purely dominated by Namor as many people here seem to think he would. Unless people have suddenly decided that Hulk v Wolverine, one of the classic rivalries of comicdom is PIS?
And not to mention he was able to lift a space ship the size of 5 city blocks long enough to divert it from crashing into the city, yea i definently think some of the ultimates could take on the main streamers.
Originally posted by jinzin
"wolverine's taken it to namor once and nearly killed him the second time"
Ah yes. In their earlier fight, Wolverine barely landed hit on Namor, and even if he did, Namor didn't care about it. And Namor wasn't even able to fly in that comic. And in their second fight, Namor is suddenly an slowpoke who is taken out with one stab...
Originally posted by jinzin
"i know he's owned him in water, but has he done so out of water?"
No. But Hulk has never defeated Namor. Hulk has defeated Wolverine maaany times more.
Originally posted by jinzin
"are you aware wolverine's nearly killed the hulk on a coupleof occasions?"
Oh yeah, so has Namor...waaait, every time Namor makes his finishing hit, he finds an scientist in big purple pants. That has happened twice now. And Namor straight from water is so strong.
Originally posted by jinzin
"how about when he knocked herc down? or KOed him?"
Oh yes. Him beating Hercules with bone claws makes completely sense.
Originally posted by jinzin
"wolverine takes punches as hard or harder all the time...🤨"
Wolverine weighs 300 lbs. Now tell me, why Namor, who has sent Hulk flying miles to the shore with one punch, can't make Wolverine fly two times further? Explain it to me. And no, "He's Wolverine" won't be good enough explanation, sorry.
Originally posted by jinzin
"what's your obsession with peeing? 🤨 "
Have you noticed that I never say "PIS" I say "bad writing".
Originally posted by cheldonWell, the fight WAS written by Stan Lee, who I think knows HULK better then you think.
you talk about inconsistency? this is a great example. Hulks healing factor would not be overloaded by one punch from the sub mariner. and when namor actually did that, he was in class 80.
how could a guy in class 80 knock out a guy who has taken punches from class 100 people and still remain concious?
Oh, right, he INVENTED the character.
Namor = Capable of knocking out the Hulk. Three times. All those fights were written by Stan.
one stab to the gut would stop him. namor had to play dirty just to hurt wolverine. and if namor was supposedly FASTER and had better senses than wolverine, then how come he didnt move out of the way.
Because the writer was not clearly knowing enough of Namor's capablities. Is Wolverine faster then bullet? Able to move at Mach speeds? Because Namor has dodged that kind of things from close range since his first appearence.
namor is stronger, but he is not more durable. wolverine has been stabbed far worse and he was still fighting as much as before. hard punches don't hurt wolverine as bad as a machine gun. and u.s. agent did not even beat wolverine. he only subdued him enough to get his fagot looking friend out of harms way.
Knifes would break on Namor. Bullets would bounce from him. Tranquilizer darts would shatter. All these things rip through Wolverine like paper.
How can you say that Namor isn't more durable?
And "fagot" looking? He is the FIRST character of Marvel. He is older then Batman. Wolverine is nothing compared to him.
and i did not insult you. i just said that you make me sick. i can't control how my body feels.
Then you have very odd body, if few words can make you puke...