Best Swordfighter

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Really? What about his prolonged swordfight against that guardian of the time thingy(You know, that big blue guy) who was stronger, faster, and more skilled than Jack, yet Jack still stood his ground against him, and even tho he lost, the guardian was so impressed by his skill he let him live on to fight him another day. If Jack really just swung his sword around wildly, I COULD KILL HIM, and a god like Aku certainly would. You are assuming Kenshin has more technique only because he actually has names for specific attacks, guess what buddy? That is not the way real swordsmanship works, you do not yell out HITEN MITSURUGI STYLE: BLAHBLAH! That is not skill, in fact it is just stupid. Also, I cannot believe you just claimed SW characters have poor swordskills, they would kill Kenshin in a swordfight. Jedi and Sith actually have 7 different forms of saber combat. Just because Kenshin has names for his moves(which are simple moves for the most part) does not make him more skilled with a sword.

Dude, you just totally distorted everything I said. I NEVER said that Samurai Jack or SW characters have "poor" sword-skills, and I NEVER said that Kenshin was more skilled because he had names for his attacks. You are calling his moves simple, when Samurai Jack and SW characters mostly use random sword slashes? Listen, I have seen both, and they are not unskilled, but they have no definite form of combat. They each have their own style of fighting, and they could all crush Kenshin, but you are taking them as being stronger, and also associating it with them being more skilled, however when it comes to actual technique, Kenshin't aren't as simple as you claim. It took him years to master one of the strongest forms of swordsmanship in the RK Universe. Also, I know perfectly well that RK is hardly real swordsmanship; but are you implying that Samurai Jack is any more real? In terms of realism, the SW characters have more realistic movements and abilties in their skills than most other series, however we are still talking about hte most skilled here, even if it is unrealisitically skilled. Now, I have not seen that many anime, but I have seen the 3 series which we are talking about here, and the characters of Samurai Jack and SW have lots of abilities that defy the laws of phsycis by a long shot. RK characters have that as well, but they are not nearly as strong or powerful as the fanciful creatures and swordsman of even more unrealistic series.

If you think that Kenshin's techniques are nothing more than random sword slashes with names to them, and that anyone with some strength can do, then you are seriously underestimating RK characters as a whole. Of course, I'm sure that there are more skilled swordsman in other anime series, however I have yet to see any of those series and characters, if there are. My point is that strength/power and skill, are 2 COMPLETELY different things. The RK characters may have rediculously long or silly names to their attacks, but that is not the reason for why I say that they have skill. For example, can you call hitting a person in 9 specific pressure points of the body, faster than what can be seen by the human eye, a simple feat? Seeing as how Kenshin, as well as other RK characters, have no access to supernatural items and abilities, such as Samurai Jack and SW characters do, yet being able to pull off some unbelievable feats (for RK characters anyways), with pure skills, is what makes me call Hiko, from RK, one of the most skilled swordsman in anime. Also, I hope that you have read most or all of the manga, and have not just based your opinion off of what you have seen in the anime alone.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Kenshin characters swordskills are massively overrated simply because of the fact it's a samurai anime and they all have specific techniques and shit.

The same could be said for Samurai Jack, as well as stuff like Bleach and Inu-Yasha, simply because the characters are capable of feats that no human swordsman could hope to be capable of, due to having supernatural abilties and/or items. The RK characters actaully user their techniques in strategic ways, and there is a step by step basis to each, and they are actaully explained, in how they work (which you forgot to include), whereas nearly everything which you have been mentioning about Samurai Jack and Star Wars, has more to do with their items abilities, rather than their actual skills. I also doubt that a lightsaber from SW, is weilded the same way as a katana. I remember that in the KOTOR games, katana-like weapons were handled in a way that pales in comparison to RK (based on the combat animation). It was in fact, just a series of repeated swings, in a pattern 😛 . Although, on a side note, that does not mean that I have anything against KOTOR (both games together, are in fact in my top 10 list of my favorite games/game franchises 😉 ).

I have read alot of the RK manga, but saying Jack, a person who swordfights with gods, just uses random wild swordslashes, is ludicrous. SW characters as I said have 7 different forms of saber combat as I said, and those forms HAVE been thoroughly explained, such as the Makashi style used by Count Dooku, which uses elegance, counters, and short cuts and stabs, and is a great saber to saber style, or Soresu, which in short is the ultimate defensive style. RK characters focus more on specific attacks in a fight than real sword fighting oftentimes, the best example I can think of Kenshin doing actual swordfighting with an opponent over an extended period of time would be when he fought Kurogasa. Tho I may have forgotten alot of things, since it has been quite awhile since I have read/watched Kenshin(God that opening theme still haunts me). Jack defeats 20 guys in a bar unscathed using machine guns, with just his sword, and he does not rely on the power of the sword to dodge those bullets. I also find Mihawk to be very skilled as well, with a dinky ass necklace knife, he easily defeated Zoro, who is a powerful swordsman that uses 3 swords. And no, he does not have a Devil Fruit.

Pure skills from what I've seen I'd have to go with Jin, Mugen, and the many swordsmen of Samurai Champloo. Jack is a good candidate as well.

Kenshin isn't nearly as skilled (in the pure sense of the word). His movements and "skills" seem to be more supernatural than skillful. Sure he has a lot of names for his moves but they are simple attacks made effective by his speed.

I've never seen anything form Kenshin to suggest he has the pure skill of a Jin or Mugen - and you've got to blame the animators for that.

The Jedi in the Clone Wars have elegant, precise attacks, they're not just random horizontal strikes. If anything Kenshin is lacking in elegance and precision when compared to the Clone Wars Jedi.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCuHbLYMblQ&mode=related&search=Star%20wars%20clone%20Dj%20Dom%20Stay%20With%20Me

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I have read alot of the RK manga, but saying Jack, a person who swordfights with gods, just uses random wild swordslashes, is ludicrous. SW characters as I said have 7 different forms of saber combat as I said, and those forms HAVE been thoroughly explained, such as the Makashi style used by Count Dooku, which uses elegance, counters, and short cuts and stabs, and is a great saber to saber style, or Soresu, which in short is the ultimate defensive style. RK characters focus more on specific attacks in a fight than real sword fighting oftentimes, the best example I can think of Kenshin doing actual swordfighting with an opponent over an extended period of time would be when he fought Kurogasa. Tho I may have forgotten alot of things, since it has been quite awhile since I have read/watched Kenshin(God that opening theme still haunts me). Jack defeats 20 guys in a bar unscathed using machine guns, with just his sword, and he does not rely on the power of the sword to dodge those bullets. I also find Mihawk to be very skilled as well, with a dinky ass necklace knife, he easily defeated Zoro, who is a powerful swordsman that uses 3 swords. And no, he does not have a Devil Fruit.

It looks like you and I have very different ideas of what skill is, so I am just going to drop this argument.

Originally posted by Allankles
Pure skills from what I've seen I'd have to go with Jin, Mugen, and the many swordsmen of Samurai Champloo. Jack is a good candidate as well.

Kenshin isn't nearly as skilled (in the pure sense of the word). His movements and "skills" seem to be more supernatural than skillful. Sure he has a lot of names for his moves but they are simple attacks made effective by his speed.

I've never seen anything form Kenshin to suggest he has the pure skill of a Jin or Mugen - and you've got to blame the animators for that.

The Jedi in the Clone Wars have elegant, precise attacks, they're not just random horizontal strikes. If anything Kenshin is lacking in elegance and precision when compared to the Clone Wars Jedi.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCuHbLYMblQ&mode=related&search=Star%20wars%20clone%20Dj%20Dom%20Stay%20With%20Me

It looks like you are just completely biased against Kenshin, so I am not even going to bother arguing with you 😛 .

Originally posted by Allankles
Pure skills from what I've seen I'd have to go with Jin, Mugen, and the many swordsmen of Samurai Champloo. Jack is a good candidate as well.

Kenshin isn't nearly as skilled (in the pure sense of the word). His movements and "skills" seem to be more supernatural than skillful. Sure he has a lot of names for his moves but they are simple attacks made effective by his speed.

I've never seen anything form Kenshin to suggest he has the pure skill of a Jin or Mugen - and you've got to blame the animators for that.

The Jedi in the Clone Wars have elegant, precise attacks, they're not just random horizontal strikes. If anything Kenshin is lacking in elegance and precision when compared to the Clone Wars Jedi.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCuHbLYMblQ&mode=related&search=Star%20wars%20clone%20Dj%20Dom%20Stay%20With%20Me

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Spot on.

Or maybe you are both just really biased againt Kenshin?....

Also, did you read my post when I said that having names to his attacks doesn't have anything to do with his actual skills? Also, how are you guys going to call Kenshin's skills simple enough for any common person to do, whereas the Jedi from SW, Samurai Jack, and SC characters, just use flashy, "cool-looking," swings and moves, which are not real forms of swordsmanship either?

I honestly think that you guys are just being biased. Kenshin is so underrated as a swordsman. I mean, first, on Kenshin vs. Jack, you guys said that Kenshin couldn't even take on Jack's weaker foes, who all have supernatural abilities, and the like. Then, we have someone over here, saying that Kenshin doesn't have any skills, and that all of his abilities are supernatural (which is, of course, complete BS). I suppose this shows that you guys either like to change your minds a lot, or are just biased, as I have already stressed.

This is why it is no use arguing on things like this.

Well, based on the Saitou vs Kenshin fight and the Soujiro vs Kenshin fight (those being the first two I could find on Youtube), the combat animation for Rurouni Kenshin is pretty mediocre. I've never seen Samurai Jack, but for comparison, the fighting in the first episode of Samurai Champloo, whose characters some people here have already mentioned, is much more impressive; I don't think you need to resort to claims of "bias" to explain why some people might not be overly impressed by how Kenshin performs in the anime.

But, Kenshin's style is speed-based, so I'm not sure how much sense it makes to write him off as not being skilled and only relying on speed. It's because he's so skilled that he's so fast, not the other way around.

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
Or maybe you are both just really biased againt Kenshin?....

Also, did you read my post when I said that having names to his attacks doesn't have anything to do with his actual skills? Also, how are you guys going to call Kenshin's skills simple enough for any common person to do, whereas the Jedi from SW, Samurai Jack, and SC characters, just use flashy, "cool-looking," swings and moves, which are not real forms of swordsmanship either?

I honestly think that you guys are just being biased. Kenshin is so underrated as a swordsman. I mean, first, on Kenshin vs. Jack, you guys said that Kenshin couldn't even take on Jack's weaker foes, who all have supernatural abilities, and the like. Then, we have someone over here, saying that Kenshin doesn't have any skills, and that all of his abilities are supernatural (which is, of course, complete BS). I suppose this shows that you guys either like to change your minds a lot, or are just biased, as I have already stressed.

This is why it is no use arguing on things like this.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You seem to call bias on everyone who disagrees with you. You should work on that. I never said Kenshin could not take on Jack's weaker enemies. Scottsman would rip him a new one tho. SW characters do use actual swordsmanship, you do know what real swordplay looks right, don't you. SC characters in game that is true, but cutscense show much more. As for Jack, he kill dozens of machine gun toting enemies with skill alone. Kenshin's skills are not simple enough for any swordsman to do, as they rely alot on his speed, which no human possesses.

In the movies, the actors coreagraph the fights, and the swordmanship just looks fancy in the cartoon. A real duel with swords wouldn't be so well coreagraphed, and wouldn't look so fast and fancy. Real swords are, first of all, much heavier than they appear in enterainment (I have actually held a real katana before; so I know), and even stronger people cannot weild real weaposn so fast. They are all made to look fancy, for enterainment purposes.

Are you forgetting that Kenshin has taken out dozens of enemies with skill alone as well? First of all, what makes you say that speed, which you gain through training, is not skill? No human possesses the abilities of Jack either, but that does not mean that he does not have skill. However, at the same time, I don't see him use as much skill as Kenshin. If you were to replace his sword with a sturdy wooden one, I don't think that he would exactly be able to to take out some of his stronger foes, so easily any more. However, Kenshin, who uses a sakabatou, still shows lots of skill, even though the reverse edge of his sword isn't much more useful than a wooden sword.

Also, I do not say that everyone who disagrees with me is baised. I don't ever recall saying that on the YYH vs. Bleach thread. I am just saying that from the way which people underrate Kenshin. It was the same with Alucard.

your guys' posts are too long 😂
so i have to say kenshin, with his hiten-mitsurugi (spelling?) and what-not

I still say Skull Knight

If we go by skill alone, I have to go with Cloud Strife.

I just wan't to point out somethings:

1. Shishio>Soujuro. This is stated on-panel.

2. Jack is so fast that he makes Kenshin look like he's standing still.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I just wan't to point out somethings:

1. Shishio>Soujuro. This is stated on-panel.

2. Jack is so fast that he makes Kenshin look like he's standing still.

2. Idk about that. 😬

Jack can dodge an entire armies worth of bullets, as well as deflect them.

Jack could probably take half the Jedi Council if there were no force attacks involved, imo.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I just wan't to point out somethings:

1. Shishio>Soujuro. This is stated on-panel.

2. Jack is so fast that he makes Kenshin look like he's standing still.

But would that actaully count as "skill" ? I mean, Jack has abilities that far defy normal human limitations. Kenshin also defies human limiations, but at the same time, his abilities are more realistic than Jack's. Just because Jack has all of these super abilities, does not necessarily mean that they "all" count as skill, whereas most of Kenshin't abilities can be seen as skill. Its not that I'm saying that Jack is not skilled, but it seems to me that most of his speed and strength are more supernatural than pure skill.

Also, I wouldn't say that Jack is fast enough to make Kenshin look like he's standing still, simply because there are enemies he has faced who are slower than Kenshin, who don't always look like their standing still in comparison to Jacks' speed 😛 .

Most of Kenshin's named techniques are humanely impossible.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Most of Kenshin's named techniques are humanely impossible.

They are impossible, but not "that" impossible. Who knows, perhaps some time in the far future, they may develop certain medicle proteins to enhance the capabilities of the human body. Then everyone would have strength like Sanosuke, and speed like Kenshin 😛 (but not as much skill 😉 ).