Originally posted by horrorwolfYeah I'm the stupid one. 🙄
stupidlol Woo Hoo, I get to share the board with a Tarded Leo Dicapprio...yay.
See, the Maestro is CERTAINLY stronger and deadlier than WWH. Why? Primarily increased strength that is directly tied to years and years of additional radiation bombardments that WWH has not had access to(nuclear wars spanning a hundred year period)
Due to the additonal radiation he amassed, Maestro>>>WWH in strength AND wisdom....and is more cunning and vicious....Due to finally tapping most of Banner's intelligence.
Regardless of what you think you know, Fact is that WWH is nothing compared to Maestro.
Show me a feat that puts him above WWH.
Originally posted by Nod
Yeah I'm the stupid one. 🙄Show me a feat that puts him above WWH.
😱 😱 😱
WHAT?
More Special ed.....
lol - Its Comic fact during Maestro's character arc. I don't need to show "feat" when its stated that Maestro is signifigantly stronger than Hulk due to absorption of additional radiation during the near total nuclear destuction of future earth.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
😱 😱 😱WHAT?
More Special ed.....
lol - Its Comic fact during Maestro's character arc. I don't need to show "feat" when its stated that Maestro is signifigantly stronger than Hulk due to absorption of additional radiation during the near total nuclear destuction of future earth.
Yes you do. Otherwise your obviously wrong. You lose. ✅
I think you're forgetting that Maestro was arrogant, insane and ultimately foolish. Prof. Hulk tricked him and sent him to the initial gamma bomb event.
Professor Hulk also was pretty much matching him in Future Imperfect, when they fought. Maestro only managed to break Prof's neck because Maestro grabbed a woman and used her as distraction. he couldn't +physically+ dominate. it was shown on-panel.
Maestro is somewhat stronger at base levels, than the Hulks prior to Planet Hulk (well, prior to Hulk's last battle with Abomination in TIH), but Hulk's power isn't really dependent upon the amount of Gamma radiation he absorbs from the atmosphere. indeed it means nothing to him. the gamma radiation is generated by him, it is a manifestation of the energies he draws in from another universe.
it's quite elementary. Gamma absorption from nuclear events is insignificant in comparison to energy generation from another whole universe.
there's absolutely no question about it, Maestro is like a child compared to WWH, both in power and in battle technique. WWH spent all that time on Sakaar as a gladiator, he became a leader of 'men', a King and a true power. Maestro was just a ruthless and feckless opportunist. making the most of his fortunate by-stander position and then being too lazy and insane to do anything other than create a cliché dystopia of cheap self-aggrandisement and debauchery.
anyway, point is:
1) "gamma absorption" is not Hulks primary means of empowerment, nor even a remotely significant one. Hulk is the nexus of universal energies (at times more than one universe, but usually one universe).
2) even a few million nukes would pale into insignificance in comparison to a whole universe of power... and Maestro didn't even absorb that much since he was in hiding for much of the time.
3) Hulk's base level is a meaningless factor if Hulk retains the ability to instantaneously amp his strength exponentially and infinitely.
4) Hulk's persona is such that he normally prevents himself from accessing his energies significantly but as WWH he was capable of truly holding his mind together enough to apply those energies with precision and focus. as Maestro he was too insane to properly judge and/or apply those energies.
at best Maestro might have been double Prof's base-level, which means that he might be a second ahead of Prof (as Prof. would need to amp to that level)... meaningless in battle, as the comics proved.
Originally posted by janus77
Maestro is somewhat stronger at base levels, than the Hulks prior to Planet Hulk (well, prior to Hulk's last battle with Abomination in TIH), but Hulk's power isn't really dependent upon the amount of Gamma radiation he absorbs from the atmosphere. indeed it means nothing to him. the gamma radiation is generated by him, it is a manifestation of the energies he draws in from another universe.
Good point, however it is fact that Maestro mangaged to absorb additionaly radiation during the 100 year or so period that WWH had no access to whatsoever. This in fact made him stronger and more powerful. As we don't have a way to test who would exceed the other....we can only go by base levels.
Maestro>>>>WWH in base level strength. Once they start amping there obviously no way to know who would amp faster or anything but we know Hulk in general is potentially ....limitless in strength from his starting point, which favors Maestro Hulk. the strongest base level incarnation until the likes of Red Hulk.
my point is that the radiation absorption is a lesser form of enhancement than simply easing the lid off of that infinite energy a little.
for the sake of a figure say 1 million nukes increased Maestro's base level to twice that of Prof. Hulk (we saw that he wasn't overpowering Prof. Hulk markedly, and lost what little edge he had midway through the battle). but emotional/stress-level changes, when normalised, increase his base level exponentially.
it's like saying that Hulk always carries around a bucket 1/3rds full of water, when he starts to get angry he puts a hose-pipe to the bucket and gently opens the tap but starts opening it up more as the fight progresses.
Maestro Hulk was walking around with that bucket in a downpour and so the bucket went from 1/3rd full to half full. when he opens the tap, he'll overflow quicker, if they're both getting angry/stressed to the same level.
the 'rain' is really not the most effective way to increase his strength, it's the mental control (emotional/stress/will) that really is the significant factor. thus Maestro's strength is never going to compare with WWH's.
WWH was cold, calculating rage, and of such an order that he could one-shot people regular Hulk needed to amp to overcome. that in itself makes WWH significantly more than twice as strong at base levels. going back to the bucket, it's like saying WWH carries around a bucket that's 4/5ths full. just opening the tap at all will cause an overflow.
if you need any further proof, think of Miek. Miek made WWH angry, result? Worldbreaker.
that's a hell of a lot more power than Maestro had, where did it come from? the "hosepipe" of course. the "rain" is insignificant, it truly cannot compare to the "hosepipe".
Going by raw physical feats on-panel WWH exceeds the Maestro with his stomp shaking the Eastern Seaboard, and holding the tectonic plates together on Sakaar.
At the time when the Exiles comic was written, WWH wasn't out yet. So technically them saying Maestro was the strongest Hulk would have been true, up until WWH came out. The second event takes precedent over the first when it comes to something being canon or not.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Going by raw physical feats on-panel WWH exceeds the Maestro with his stomp shaking the Eastern Seaboard, and holding the tectonic plates together on Sakaar.At the time when the Exiles comic was written, WWH wasn't out yet. So technically them saying Maestro was the strongest Hulk would have been true, up until WWH came out. The second event takes precedent over the first when it comes to something being canon or not.
Ok, I can go with that...as WWH's clearly has a larger storyline thus more impressive feats...It's like when Regular Savage Hulk held up that 150 billion ton mountain...More stories, more showings.
WWH obviously still >>>Savage Hulk.
It is implied that Maestro>>>WWH in base strength his storyline, and we just don't have enough story length or challenges for Maestro for competing feats there. We are also leaving out Maestro's intelligence as he practically seemed to almost predict every move Grey Hulk made before eventually breaking his neck....not really a lot to fuel Maestro's rage there.
Banner's intellect+at least WWH's power ftw.
Originally posted by Nod
WWH is clearly stronger. He has NO feats to back it up just things that have obviously been recton.
I just stated that. WWH feats are better.
But It's still implied that Maestro is years Stronger , Smarter and more experienced than any other Hulk...just minus feats due to a short story arc.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
stupidlol Woo Hoo, I get to share the board with a Tarded Leo Dicapprio...yay.
See, the Maestro is CERTAINLY stronger and deadlier than WWH. Why? Primarily increased strength that is directly tied to years and years of additional radiation bombardments that WWH has not had access to(nuclear wars spanning a hundred year period)
Due to the additonal radiation he amassed, Maestro>>>WWH in strength AND wisdom....and is more cunning and vicious....Due to finally tapping most of Banner's intelligence.
Regardless of what you think you know, Fact is that WWH is nothing compared to Maestro.
Originally posted by horrorwolfSo it hasnt been proven. Maybe yesrs ago but now its been retconed.
I just stated that. WWH feats are better.But It's still implied that Maestro is years Stronger , Smarter and more experienced than any other Hulk...just minus feats due to a short story arc.
What can't you grasp??
WWH wasn't even able to knock out Meik.
Ireally don't understand what you people are talking about. WWH showed no superiority to many other versions of Hulk.
There have been many feats by other Hulks that overshadow WWH.
It is all hype.
Maestro has been labeled as the strongest version of the Hulk. Whatever circumstances made WWH stronger, are multiplied in Maestro's creation.
On top of it, he is nuts. As per Prof Hulk, "Should have known. The madder you get, the stronger you get. And, you're completely mad."
There was a reason he said that.
Originally posted by SpiderGauntlet
Why the shit are people taking narrative hyperbole seriously.
Because its not narrative hyperbole. A lot of things are simply stated in narrative in comics so that it doesn't have to be shown on panel.
Maestro was mentioned as being the potentially strongest version of Hulk. The story run doesn't allow the character to match feats of even Savage Hulk much less WWH. But we know he is from a potential future and is everything WWH is, and more.
As mentioned Maestro is everything WWH is plus said to be stronger due to a far more evil mind, and years of accumulated radiation absorbtion that no other has has yet had access to....(minus upcoming RedHulk)
It's taken seriously because it narrative that comes from the creators referring directy to the character background and current status.
Its like saying Superman isn't stronger than Rhino just because we never saw them fight. Not everything needs to have feats when clearly stated on panel to be fact.