Sora Bulq and Cin Drallig versus OT Vader

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Originally posted by darthsith19
He can't until it's proven that he can.
Really? Ok, then prove to me that Sora can still execute lightning attacks while being choked by a superior force user. Oh wait...you can't.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Since when was Force Lightning an "advanced Force tecnhique"? Quinlan Vos usedit when possied off having never beent rained with it. Bane destroyed a room with it an hour after it was taught to him. Yes, Sora can use it, so what if he is being choked? Give em a gun and start strangeling me, I can still shoot you.

Could Maul do it? No, and he was pretty powerful. And bane did after he was taught it. I'm sure he didn't wake up one morning after knowing little of the force and just started using it. We've only seen powerful people doing it, Sith wise.

Originally posted by darthsith19
With the Force, dummy.
Dummy...oh, that one stung. I meant examples bright guy.

Originally posted by darthsith19
It's in the Invisible Hand. He could chuck Vader out a window after breaking it with an object, drop the catwalk on him, whatever. The point is, he can attack Vader.
Right, cause that's not what Vader does and excels at. And Vader, being evil and more powerful, would most likely attack first to ensure the upper-hand. And in Cin breaks a window, he'd be sucked out as well. And thinking back now to ESB, Luke got sucked out while Vader stood strong. So prove any of that could happen.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Thinking he can doesn't mean shit. You have to prove that he can choke two Force Sensitives at once for it to be true.
Does Vader eat, piss or shit?

Originally posted by darthsith19
He ca if you prove that he can. Otherwise I could just say that Cin could snap Vader's neck first.
Not something a Jedi would do. And if TK is just moving things with your mind, than he could, quite easily, "move" the bones in his neck, or twist his head around. It's not rocket science here.

And as Kadesh said, you haven't proved shit yet, so we're still waiting.

Really? Ok, then prove to me that Sora can still execute lightning attacks while being choked by a superior force user. Oh wait...you can't.

I don't have to prove the obvious, as there's no logical reason why Sora couldn't still use lightning is doesn't need to be proven. However, there is reason to believe that Vader wouldn't be able to Force Choke tow powerful Force Users at once, seeing as if he could, why didn't he just Force Choke Kenobi to death in ANH, or Force Choke the Dark Woman, Darth Maul when they fought, the Jedi in Purge, ect.

Could Maul do it? No, and he was pretty powerful. And bane did after he was taught it. I'm sure he didn't wake up one morning after knowing little of the force and just started using it. We've only seen powerful people doing it, Sith wise.

Logically, if a Jedi Knight who's kida strong can summon it just by being anrgy a powerful Sith Lord could summon it. Just because Maul never used it doesn't mean that he couldn't, he just preferred using his lightsaber. Bane was taught it by a Sith Apprentice who could barely summon it herself and he still destroyed a room an hour after learning it. But you can't just use an "advanced Force technique" having never been taught it, just because you are angry, which is exactly what Quinlan Vos did, in between TPM and AOTC. Force Lightning is a basic dark side technique, it's not advanced.

Right, cause that's not what Vader does and excels at. And Vader, being evil and more powerful, would most likely attack first to ensure the upper-hand. And in Cin breaks a window, he'd be sucked out as well. And thinking back now to ESB, Luke got sucked out while Vader stood strong. So prove any of that could happen.

Let me get this straight - Vader is going to topple Cin under a catwalk, through him out a window, choke Sora Bulq, while blocking Sora's lightning, all at the same time? That's a rather large assumption. In ESB the wind current wasn't strong enough where Vader was to suck him out. Cin could break the window and then grab onto something while Vader, busing choking Sora and blocking the lightning at the same time (assuming he can block the lightning period) won't have time to grab onto anything and will be sucked out. So what if Sora is, too, Cin's still alive so his team wins.

Does Vader eat, piss or shit?

What the hell is wrong with you? This has nothing to do with anything that I said.

Not something a Jedi would do. And if TK is just moving things with your mind, than he could, quite easily, "move" the bones in his neck, or twist his head around. It's not rocket science here.

If Vader could do it so easily, why didn't he simply snap Cin's neck in ROTS? And Bene's, for that matter? Why did he even engage them in a saber duel?

1) He could have either force waved them but seeing that their corpses are just a feet or 2 away from them, i doubt it

2) Instantly crushing 10 of them with the force after using TK to lift them and suspend them


And crushing ten of them tires him so greatly that he is forced to use his lightsaber to kill the last one, he can't even use the Force to get it. And those are just creatures of no skill, I want proof that he can do that to two powerful force users.

The thing is would you be trying to break free of the grip or still focusing on killing your enemy?

And vader can execute a force crush which immobalises its victims immediately seeing that it isnt on one part of your body but your whole structure


Focusing on killing your enemy. Once Vader is zapped, the choke doesn't matter. There's a 50/50 chance that Vader would crush Sora first, 5/50 Cin. If he crushes Sora first, he might win, but we can't say for sure because we don't know how good Cin is with the Force. But if he crushes Cin first, Sora can zap him quick and win.

Vader can do the same exact thing, just that its alot more devastating, or we have vaders massive TK ability tossing people like ragdolls

Agreed. But can he do that to Cin, while choking Sora and block the lightning? Doubtful.

Again seeing that malak, whoms force mastery is lower than vader do it, i dont see why vader, malaks superior cant do it, and seeing that he could have choked 10 wild animals at once.

Malak and Vader are close, but anyways, when did Malak Force Choke more than one force user at a time?

Prove that cin drallig knows dark side techniques which snap peopls necks like that.

Oh, but as subjekt says, it is simple TK, and all Jedi know simple TK. If you want a source for that then you had better ask him.

Prove up or shut up, You have sources you better name them, quote them. Now

What do you want me to post proof of? That Cin can use TK? Tell me what you want proof of and I will tell you. But I don't need to provide proof for something like "Cin can use tk", or anything obvious.

Originally posted by darthsith19
I don't have to prove the obvious, as there's no logical reason why Sora couldn't still use lightning is doesn't need to be proven. However, there is reason to believe that Vader wouldn't be able to Force Choke tow powerful Force Users at once, seeing as if he could, why didn't he just Force Choke Kenobi to death in ANH, or Force Choke the Dark Woman, Darth Maul when they fought, the Jedi in Purge, ect.
It's not obvious at all. If, as you say, we've never seen a force user being choked by Vader than we don't know how they would react, correct? You're just assuming that he can because you like him and are trying to downplay Vader. That's whats obvious. And as you say later in your little post, maybe Vader prefers to engage people in saber combat first. However in a force only duel, he won't have his saber and have to resort immediately to force powers. Not that hard to understand.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Logically, if a Jedi Knight who's kida strong can summon it just by being anrgy a powerful Sith Lord could summon it. Just because Maul never used it doesn't mean that he couldn't, he just preferred using his lightsaber. Bane was taught it by a Sith Apprentice who could barely summon it herself and he still destroyed a room an hour after learning it. But you can't just use an "advanced Force technique" having never been taught it, just because you are angry, which is exactly what Quinlan Vos did, in between TPM and AOTC. Force Lightning is a basic dark side technique, it's not advanced.

Prove that Maul could do it then. That still has no bearing on pulling it off while being choked to death almost instantly, or even crushed by Vader. You have to prove that he can still do it while being choked. And if it was basic, all Sith would do it. The ones who do do it, seem to prefer it at the beginning of a duel.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Let me get this straight - Vader is going to topple Cin under a catwalk, through him out a window, choke Sora Bulq, while blocking Sora's lightning, all at the same time? That's a rather large assumption. In ESB the wind current wasn't strong enough where Vader was to suck him out. Cin could break the window and then grab onto something while Vader, busing choking Sora and blocking the lightning at the same time (assuming he can block the lightning period) won't have time to grab onto anything and will be sucked out. So what if Sora is, too, Cin's still alive so his team wins.
Did I say anything resembling what you said I posted? No, I didn't. So too bad I didn't assume that. In ESB it was that strong and he had to brace himself or suffer the same fate his son did...watch it again. Once the room pressure stabilized, he could again move freely. I never once said that vader could block lightning, so stop trying to put words in my mouth to help your argument. And there's no reason that someone with Vader's intelligence wouldn't release his grip in order to preserve his own life. That's a ridiculous assumption if you're looking for an example of one.

Originally posted by darthsith19
What the hell is wrong with you? This has nothing to do with anything that I said.

Answer the question and then I'll reveal it's relevance.

Originally posted by darthsith19
If Vader could do it so easily, why didn't he simply snap Cin's neck in ROTS? And Bene's, for that matter? Why did he even engage them in a saber duel?

Uh, cause as you said in regards to Maul, maybe he prefers saber duels to simply attacks. Plus, if he were to engage them all and defeat them all in saber dueling, it would certainly boost his ego, which all Sith love to do.

Originally posted by darthsith19
And crushing ten of them tires him so greatly that he is forced to use his lightsaber to kill the last one, he can't even use the Force to get it. And those are just creatures of no skill, I want proof that he can do that to two powerful force users.
Wasn't he famished and hurt from a crash or something? A technique is a technique, and a target is a target. You have to prove that they can both block it, individually or separately.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Focusing on killing your enemy. Once Vader is zapped, the choke doesn't matter. There's a 50/50 chance that Vader would crush Sora first, 5/50 Cin. If he crushes Sora first, he might win, but we can't say for sure because we don't know how good Cin is with the Force. But if he crushes Cin first, Sora can zap him quick and win.

If we don't know how good Cin is with the force, how can you confidently sit there and call him a "powerful force user?" don't give me that BM shit, cause that relates to saber skills. vader has a comfortable edge over both of them.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Agreed. But can he do that to Cin, while choking Sora and block the lightning? Doubtful.

Where are you getting all that?

Originally posted by darthsith19
Malak and Vader are close, but anyways, when did Malak Force Choke more than one force user at a time?

Doesn't matter, he's not Vader so what Malak does is irrelevant. But if has the ability, than Vader, his superior would be able too after 20 years of teachings from Sidious.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Oh, but as subjekt says, it is simple TK, and all Jedi know simple TK. If you want a source for that then you had better ask him.

Attention to detail my friend. I never said simple, and using it in that manner would have dark intentions behind it, thus making it less likely that a Jedi would do it.

And in other words, you have no proof to back up your assertion.

Originally posted by darthsith19
What do you want me to post proof of? That Cin can use TK? Tell me what you want proof of and I will tell you. But I don't need to provide proof for something like "Cin can use tk", or anything obvious.
That Sora can still use lightning while being choked or crushed, and that both can block choke or crush for starters.

Originally posted by darthsith19

If Vader could do it so easily, why didn't he simply snap Cin's neck in ROTS? And Bene's, for that matter? Why did he even engage them in a saber duel?

Zomg if he could do tis why didnt he do that on guy X, Same for sidious, he know force sever technique, did he use it on luke? No he didnt.

Was it necessary darth sith? At that time of ROTS he could barely kill his wife though she was going to die

Originally posted by darthsith19

And crushing ten of them tires him so greatly that he is forced to use his lightsaber to kill the last one, he can't even use the Force to get it. And those are just creatures of no skill, I want proof that he can do that to two powerful force users.
Prove that it tires him, oh what because he picks up his lightsaber? Bad analogy, prove that because he picks up his saber, he becomes tied.

Again malak chokes 2 force users on the SF

Originally posted by darthsith19

Focusing on killing your enemy. Once Vader is zapped, the choke doesn't matter.
Once sora is in a crush stance, lightning wont matter
Originally posted by darthsith19

There's a 50/50 chance that Vader would crush Sora first, 5/50 Cin. If he crushes Sora first, he might win, but we can't say for sure because we don't know how good Cin is with the Force. But if he crushes Cin first, Sora can zap him quick and win.
Cin and sora are no where near the level of darth vader in the force, get over it anti-vader boy, I read your website, you so biased against vader claiming he is the weakest sith

Originally posted by darthsith19

Agreed. But can he do that to Cin, while choking Sora and block the lightning? Doubtful.
He can choke both of them at once or crush them at the same time, I dont have to proof that,

If you can fire a hangdun with one hand you can certeinly do so with another and seeing that, you can use 2 hands to fire, Its simple commen sense darth sith, Vader CAN do it, get over it

Originally posted by darthsith19

Malak and Vader are close, but anyways, when did Malak Force Choke more than one force user at a time?
Already answered that. Dont believe ask legend

Originally posted by darthsith19

Oh, but as subjekt says, it is simple TK, and all Jedi know simple TK. If you want a source for that then you had better ask him.
And TK alone cant kill you unless you toss your opponent smashing him into debris which vader is quite capable of doing

Originally posted by darthsith19

What do you want me to post proof of? That Cin can use TK? Tell me what you want proof of and I will tell you. But I don't need to provide proof for something like "Cin can use tk", or anything obvious.
Breaking someones neck with the force? That could be the force choke technique, one where you actually kill your opponent quickly rather than wait for him to die for lack of oxgen.

Well then you said Cin can use TK, so can vader, on a MUCH greater level

@EDIT

DS, we HAVE seen vader choke a jedi, in purge and that jedi couldnt do shit until he was released from vaders grip

I guess that settles that, Kadesh.

Was it necessary darth sith? At that time of ROTS he could barely kill his wife though she was going to die

^ ill drop this point, he could have easily killed her

Yea he just didn't want to. He got pissed off, choked her, the "good" in him realized what he was doing then he focused on OB1. He could have killed her in seconds.

Thats assuming he wants to kill her quickly, One thing i notice about vader, is that he never attempts to kill his victims quickly with choke. Like ozzels case, vader could have easily snapped his neck but he chose not to, problably he wants ozzel to suffer before he dies

Well I'm sure he didn't want to kill Padme anyways. Its his wife for god's sake. He did let her go and I doubt it was because OB1 told him to.

When does Vader snap someone's neck?

Originally posted by tulakhordpwns
When does Vader snap someone's neck?
Its not a matter of when, its a matter of "can he do it" which he is quite capable with a force grip

so is this settled then?

As long as idiots dont bump the thread