Originally posted by SevenShackles
not bad.. but the ultimate x-men wouldnt really think of doing that, they most likely think they can take the ultimates, and sadly they cant.
jean is out. not only do ultimates have prep they have nick fury who knows first person who needs to be put down is jean. and thats exactly what will happen.ultimates hit hard, and hit fast. this is over before it began.
Why wouldn't they think of that? It makes perfect sense.
They know they can't match Thor or Iron Man in power.
With an hour of prep and strategy, all it really takes is Kitty keeping Jean phased long enough for Jean to clean house.
Which they've done before.
Originally posted by llagrok
I think that Kitty will wear out before Jean is capable of taking out every Ultimate.Then again, I don't even believe that she can take out everyone with telepathy.
Jean can take nearly every Ultimate.
Wasp, Captain America, Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Hulk will all be mind-f*cked.
The only ones who MIGHT be immune is Thor and Iron-Man.
Not to mention, Jean's powers have been greatly amplified by the "Phoenix Force".
Originally posted by Draco69
Jean can take nearly every Ultimate.Wasp, Captain America, Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Hulk will all be mind-f*cked.
The only ones who MIGHT be immune is Thor and Iron-Man.
Not to mention, Jean's powers have been greatly amplified by the "Phoenix Force".
I still don't think she can break Thor, or get through to Iron Man.
Hulk and Cap? I'm not sure :/
Originally posted by llagrok
I still don't think she can break Thor, or get through to Iron Man.Hulk and Cap? I'm not sure :/
Cap is inconsequential. Any of the X-Men can take of him.
Iron Man is iffy. He's never been shown to have TP blockers.
Hulk isn't immune to telepathy. Actually he's vulnerable since a section of his brain controls his transformation. Wasp simply zapped it to turn him back to Banner. Jean can simply use her TP to tell it to shut off. With prep, they have more than enough time to find it.
Thor has never shown immunity to telepathy. Just because his 616 version has resistance doesn't mean he does.
Originally posted by Draco69
Why wouldn't they think of that? It makes perfect sense.They know they can't match Thor or Iron Man in power.
With an hour of prep and strategy, all it really takes is Kitty keeping Jean phased long enough for Jean to clean house.
Which they've done before.
Tell that to Colossus 😄 He has already made bitches out of those 2 before, not sure about what would happen now though.
Btw, couldn't Arrow dude (I refuse to call him Hawkeye) take out quite many with his nuke arrows?
Originally posted by Jyppe
Tell that to Colossus 😄 He has already made bitches out of those 2 before, not sure about what would happen now though.Btw, couldn't Arrow dude (I refuse to call him Hawkeye) take out quite many with his nuke arrows?
Not if Storm blows them back at them with a hurricane.
Or Cyke blasts them outta the air.
Or Jean freezes them in mid-air and throws them back.
The Ultimates' power really lies in the Scarlet Witch. She's the wild card that could turn the tide.
However her powers take time to work. She literally has to do probability equations in her head to use her powers.
Originally posted by Draco69
Cap is inconsequential. Any of the X-Men can take of him.Iron Man is iffy. He's never been shown to have TP blockers.
Hulk isn't immune to telepathy. Actually he's vulnerable since a section of his brain controls his transformation. Wasp simply zapped it to turn him back to Banner. Jean can simply use her TP to tell it to shut off. With prep, they have more than enough time to find it.
Thor has never shown immunity to telepathy. Just because his 616 version has resistance doesn't mean he does.
Find it? I don't think so actually. They wouldn't even know whether there's a particular part of his brain that controls his transformation. It's not exactly Hulk 101.
Kitty has been vulnerable to electric damage on several occasions. Iron Man can also take advantage of the fact that she still has to hear.
Thor was able to see through Loki's illusions / reality warping. I think he has a pretty strong will.
Originally posted by Draco69
Not if Storm blows them back at them with a hurricane.Or Cyke blasts them outta the air.
Or Jean freezes them in mid-air and throws them back.
The Ultimates' power really lies in the Scarlet Witch. She's the wild card that could turn the tide.
However her powers take time to work. She literally has to do probability equations in her head to use her powers.
Or maybe Hawkeye is just too fast for them. Not like blitzing Ultimate Storm should be a problem.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Tell that to Colossus 😄 He has already made bitches out of those 2 before, not sure about what would happen now though.Btw, couldn't Arrow dude (I refuse to call him Hawkeye) take out quite many with his nuke arrows?
Wanna brag about off panel feats?
How about the x-men being beaten up by the Russian Thor and Chinese Iron Man?
Originally posted by llagrok
Find it? I don't think so actually. They wouldn't even know whether there's a particular part of his brain that controls his transformation. It's not exactly Hulk 101.
SHIELD and Xavier had close ties. They exchanged files including those about the Hulk.
If THAT fails, Jean can simply use Cerebro to scan Hulk's mind.
Originally posted by llagrok
Kitty has been vulnerable to electric damage on several occasions. Iron Man can also take advantage of the fact that she still has to hear.
Kitty's never been harmed by electricity. The only case she was harmed was by Future Cable who used a weapon specifically designed for her.
Besides Kitty only has to keep Jean phased for a short amount of time for her to survive Quicksilver's speedblitz. THEN Jean can erect a field.
Originally posted by llagrok
Thor was able to see through Loki's illusions / reality warping. I think he has a pretty strong will.
Which may have been do to his Asgardian godhood, rather than telepathic resistance.
Thor has never shown the ability to withstand a psychic attack.
In fact, he was psychically frozen by Charles Xavier and everyone else in the area in Ultimate War.
Originally posted by llagrok
Or maybe Hawkeye is just too fast for them. Not like blitzing Ultimate Storm should be a problem.
Hawkeye isn't a speedster. He's a guy with really good aim. I would put more stock in Storm blowing his ass away.
Originally posted by llagrokHow about the x-men being beaten up by the Russian Thor and Chinese Iron Man?
So were the Fantastic Four. Please. They were attacked by an entire army (with enormous prep) in their own home. That's not a fair fight.
Not to mention the Ultimates all got taken down to.
They won due to devious planning that probably spanned years.
Originally posted by Hyperion 07
No Phoenix Force.
There's no such thing as the Phoenix Force in Ultimate Universe.
It was concluded that the "Phoenix Force" is simply Jean's powers. She imagines green goblins to cope with the enormous immensity of her powers.
Originally posted by Hyperion 07
She could take them out but like I said no getting shields up or doing the Kitty trick.
You gave them an hour prep. What else can't they do with it?
Making last-minute rules to curry favor for the Ultimates is kinda pathetic.
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First you said no forcefields, no you say no phasing.
What Cyclops can't use his blasts either...?
Originally posted by Jyppe
Tell that to Colossus 😄 He has already made bitches out of those 2 before, not sure about what would happen now though.Btw, couldn't Arrow dude (I refuse to call him Hawkeye) take out quite many with his nuke arrows?
errr. seriously that fight took place mostly off panel and in a more x-men focused story. not to mention Thor wasnt serious, honestly i dont know how serious or why he even took part in the mission given his characters attitude with such things.
in this fight the ultimates are not holding back and with the exception of wolverine are willing to go much further than the x-men are for the win.
Yeah hawkeye could pretty much pick off Cyclops and half the team with a sniper rifle, nevermind trick arrows on the scale of little nukes [if he has that]
Cap is seriously under estimated as the x-men been overestimated in this fight. simply put they wont think of using jean to shut them all down cuz they think they can take them without going to the extreme. thats a fallback they wont get to cuz in the start jean will be taken out by quicksilver.
its easy to say 'oh she will just do this' but thats not how the x-men operate, they dont just send in their big gun and sit back and wont do it unless they think its needed. which they wont. as is given their last encounter with the ultimates colosuss will be slated to handle thor, who when serious as shown with his fights in Ultimate Power and against his own team is if not as strong or stronger but has the advantage on his range of powers.
in all seriousness he could rain lighting down on everyone causing massive damage and distracting/panicing the X-men making the ultimates work all the easier.
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Originally posted by Draco69In fact, he was psychically frozen by Charles Xavier and everyone else in the area in Ultimate War.
come on now... ultimate war might have had the ultimates in it but was really an x-men focused book and cuz of that they had the advantage.
plus he could of just stood real still 🤣 not like ulti thor would want to do something like that anyway.
and nobody makes thor do anything 😠
- Thor was affected by Loki's illusions at first, but was able to resist them later on.
- Does the Hulk know that he has a particular weakness that makes him turn back into Banner? I don't think so.
- Hawkeye isn't a speedster? He was pretty impressive when he managed to shoot 5 armed guards before they got him, when they were standing 10 inches away.
- Survive Quicksilver's speedblitz? Have you seen how fast he is?
Also, phasing Jean while she uses her telepathy or telekinesis? I've never seen them do that. It's a pretty basic strategy and seeing as they've never used it, it's reasonable to believe it won't work. Especially seeing as Emma was unable to take over Kitty's mind while she was being phased all the way down underground.
That was 616, but I'm pretty sure the same rules apply in the Ultimate universe.
Originally posted by llagrok
- Thor was affected by Loki's illusions at first, but was able to resist them later on.- Does the Hulk know that he has a particular weakness that makes him turn back into Banner? I don't think so.
- Hawkeye isn't a speedster? He was pretty impressive when he managed to shoot 5 armed guards before they got him, when they were standing 10 inches away.
- Survive Quicksilver's speedblitz? Have you seen how fast he is?
Also, phasing Jean while she uses her telepathy or telekinesis? I've never seen them do that. It's a pretty basic strategy and seeing as they've never used it, it's reasonable to believe it won't work. Especially seeing as Emma was unable to take over Kitty's mind while she was being phased all the way down underground.
That was 616, but I'm pretty sure the same rules apply in the Ultimate universe.
- Thor rocks.
- nope he dont =D
- nah, no special powers, just mad skillz.
- time stops for him. meaning he is faster than thought. [logic] so faster than jean.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
errr. seriously that fight took place mostly off panel and in a more x-men focused story. not to mention Thor wasnt serious, honestly i dont know how serious or why he even took part in the mission given his characters attitude with such things.
And the Ultimates had the luxury of prep, an entire army and the X-Men being at half-roster...
Originally posted by SevenShackles
in this fight the ultimates are not holding back and with the exception of wolverine are willing to go much further than the x-men are for the win.
This is a forum-match. ALL of them are bloodlusted.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
[QUOTE=9641004]Originally posted by SevenShackles
[B]Yeah hawkeye could pretty much pick off Cyclops and half the team with a sniper rifle, nevermind trick arrows on the scale of little nukes [if he has that]
Again. Hawkeye's arrows can be deflected by winds, blasts, ice or just plain TK. It would be hilarious for Hawkeye to shoot a nuke arrow only for Jean to throw it back at his teammates.
Plus there's mindcontrol. Why not have Jean control say Hawkeye to shoot at his teammates?
Or for Pietro to speedblitz his teammates?
Originally posted by SevenShackles
Cap is seriously under estimated as the x-men been overestimated in this fight. simply put they wont think of using jean to shut them all down cuz they think they can take them without going to the extreme. thats a fallback they wont get to cuz in the start jean will be taken out by quicksilver.
Cap is rather useless. Iceman accidently froze Cap and won the battle by accident.
Jean will be kept phased by Kitty rendering the almighty speedblitz useless. Jean then will erect forcefields and mind control Pietro to kill his teammates saving the brunt of the work from her team.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
its easy to say 'oh she will just do this' but thats not how the x-men operate, they dont just send in their big gun and sit back and wont do it unless they think its needed.
You haven't read Ultimate X-Men lately have you? The scenario I'm suggesting is something they've already done already. They send Jean in first because she's the opening.
Whether against the Magician or Magneto, Jean always gives the opening salvo and the rest of the X-Men start picking off. Her power upgrade speaks testament of this.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
which they wont. as is given their last encounter with the ultimates colosuss will be slated to handle thor, who when serious as shown with his fights in Ultimate Power and against his own team is if not as strong or stronger but has the advantage on his range of powers.
Colossus can stalemate Thor for a while for the rest of Ultimates to be struck down enmasse.
Then the X-Men can dogpile the poor SOB. He isn't as durable as 616 Thor. Hell, a flamethrower burned off his hair....
Originally posted by SevenShackles
in all seriousness he could rain lighting down on everyone causing massive damage and distracting/panicing the X-men making the ultimates work all the easier.
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And Storm can't do that same?
Seriously, they aren't amateurs.
The X-Men's roster is simply too big and powerful.
Hell, Rogue now has the ability to "mimic" abilities rather than absorb them.
She can copy Colossus's skin in conjunction with Jean's powers....
Originally posted by Draco69
This is a forum-match. ALL of them are bloodlusted.
ill try to find the time to reply to the rest. but i was under the impression it had to be stated. he doesnt mention bloodlust in the set up and im working off the basic characters, in character. working at their best.
which to me, sending in hawkeye and nick fury with prep mean 'kill them all' , as x-men with prep mean 'KO' mind you id find this to be a different fight with a different X-men roster.
ultimates look like all-stars, and X-men fall a little short beside the one character you keep mentioning who with what you say seems able to solo the ultimates for the most partO-o
[sorry for double post]