Does Luke Cage and colossus

Started by Battlehammer6 pages

Originally posted by Soljer
Nope.

It was in one of those.

For someone who has read almost every issue colossus has ever been in, it's kinda funny that you've never read something that's been stated no less than a dozen times before 1985.

............are you serous.........im not looking through every one of those issues. Hell it likly not in any of them.

hell you don't even know if it was stated so instead you listed a shit load of random issues..............

thats not even evdience thats just stupid. No one will look through all the shit.

so untill you present the issue it actaully in and stated which one it was in, you have eyt to provide evidence.

........dozen times my ass.

Nope. It was in one of those. I just don't believe that you've read almost every one of Colossus' appearances to date.

Originally posted by Soljer
Nope. It was in one of those. I just don't believe that you've read almost every one of Colossus' appearances to date.

Im not looking through that many comics.

I think your full of it and just don't have evidence.

Lets see ive read ever issue of x-men at least onces as well as uncanny, then there was ecaliber which I neevr read the entire thing due to money issues. Then there astonishing x-men and new x-men. and so forth. Then a few marvel team ups and some cross overs and secret wars. The only real issues I be missing are a few ecaliber and some cross overs and team ups. Then his limited solo which I never read.

ya in all in all ive read most of them. And every one of his x-men apearances to date unless there was a new one since ive been at school which is likly.

Originally posted by Newjak
How about you actually describe a feat that Punisher and Hawkeye have that outdo Colossus 😉

I need to valiadte it for myself because I don't take your word for it.

Deflecting Caps shield and stopping it with his feet is a pretty good one. There also a breif fight between Frank and Ulik where he dodges Ulik for a bit, not as impressive as how Spiderman would do it but not bad. I would assume that Ulik evnthoug he doesnt dodge bullets he would at least have atheletic speed.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats a lossy excuse and you know it. If colossus in deed had there reflexes he have feats to prove it.

it not less feats it the fact his feats don't compare to theres.

please tell me were it states colossus has enchanced reflexes.

Originally posted by Newjak
He does have feats to prove it and I've already explained them to you.

Heck even go to Marvel.com and read his Bio it even states he has enhanced reflexes 😉

shrug

Originally posted by Soljer
If you haven't read it, then I doubt you've read the majority of his appearances.

Originally posted by Soljer
Nope.

It was in one of those.

For someone who has read almost every issue colossus has ever been in, it's kinda funny that you've never read something that's been stated no less than a dozen times before 1985.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Im not looking through that many comics.

I think your full of it and just don't have evidence.

Lets see ive read ever issue of x-men at least onces as well as uncanny, then there was ecaliber which I neevr read the entire thing due to money issues. Then there astonishing x-men and new x-men. and so forth. Then a few marvel team ups and some cross overs and secret wars. The only real issues I be missing are a few ecaliber and some cross overs and team ups. Then his limited solo which I never read.

ya in all in all ive read most of them. And every one of his x-men apearances to date unless there was a new one since ive been at school which is likly.

if you had read every issue of x-men you claim to have, then you should have seen several impressive feats by colossus...

oh, and marvel.com is reliable when it comes to bios and what powers a character actually has... its the power charts that are mostly bullshit...

huge differences Logan has feats support this such as dodging gun fire, deflecting gun fire, cacting a bullet, being stated to have beyond human relfexes and so on.

Ugh, my point still stands. Colossus, a brawler, doesn't need that many speed feats to determine that his speed is greater than it normally is, when he's in the armored form. Because speed isn't one of his primary super power.

Hell, let's use some logic here, his speed feats when armored > to his speed feats when not armored. That alone would prove that his stats increase when armored.

It's also pretty common logic that his speed would increase if his normal strength/durability/endurance increase that much from his normal stats.

I'm not sure about his reflexes but he has surprised Wolverine at times with his speed, that's a feat in itself. Don't you agree? I'm sure there are some good feats in the Colossus respect thread.

Not that he does not have many it the fact he does not have one superior to there and he hardly ever shows any sort of increadable reflexes.

Because he doesn't need to dodge bullets? IIRC he has dodged some beams, or he has gotten in front of beams that are about to hit his team members. Besides, most writers just wont focus on his speedy side. Or maybe it's because of CIS?

Anyways, I thought you knew that superpowerless characters portray A WHOLE SH*TLOAD of feats that would put super powered characters to shame. Snikt bub

Colossus has displayed some good reflexes before.

Catches a missle in one hand and punches another with the other at the same time:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ColossusandRogueMTU150-2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ColossusandRougueMTU150.jpg

Reacts with blinding speed that belies his massive form:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/Colossusspeed.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus has displayed some good reflexes before.

Catches a missle in one hand and punches another with the other at the same time:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ColossusandRogueMTU150-2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ColossusandRougueMTU150.jpg

Reacts with blinding speed that belies his massive form:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/Colossusspeed.jpg

Ok that proves he has enhanced reflexes but that is very inconsistent.. Hell he can catch missles but he couldnt even catch Spiderman in Secret Wars, im pretty sure if you tried hard enough you could find showings that contradict that. At any rate evn the Hulk has caught missles.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok that proves he has enhanced reflexes but that is very inconsistent.. Hell he can catch missles but he couldnt even catch Spiderman in Secret Wars, im pretty sure if you tried hard enough you could find showings that contradict that. At any rate evn the Hulk has caught missles.

Yeah....and the Hulk has enhanced reflexes. Gee, gee.

Originally posted by Soljer
Yeah....and the Hulk has enhanced reflexes. Gee, gee.

Yeah that was my point. Its just that people like Hulk and Colosus have inconsistent showings. This proves that their reflexes are enhanced but not as enhanced as Cap or Spiderman....do that math. 😐

No, it doesn't. Inconsistent showings mean inconsistent showings.

Not a certain 'level' of enhancement.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, it doesn't. Inconsistent showings mean inconsistent showings.

Not a certain 'level' of enhancement.

Well Collous has enhance reflexes. If he can catch a missle it could be argued that he really shoulndt have had that much trouble catching Spiderman. After all thats one of the feats that people use to show how fast Namor is.

It also depends as well. If somebody has inconsistent showings you have to evaluate the feats and come to some average. depending on how good the feats are you may come to enhaced reflexes you may not.

Nah.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well Collous has enhance reflexes. If he can catch a missle it could be argued that he really shoulndt have had that much trouble catching Spiderman. After all thats one of the feats that people use to show how fast Namor is.

It also depends as well. If somebody has inconsistent showings you have to evaluate the feats and come to some average. depending on how good the feats are you may come to enhaced reflexes you may not.

So if he displays 100 ton strength at some point, and no super strength at the other, he's a class 50?

Originally posted by llagrok
So if he displays 100 ton strength at some point, and no super strength at the other, he's a class 50?

EXACTLY!

🙄.

They're still faster than Wolverine.

what does wolverine have to do with this thread?

That X-Men/Spiderman showing was one poor showing for the entire X-Men team. Granted Spidermans reflexes are superior but both Ms.Marvel Rogue and Nightcrawler should be able to dodge webbing. And then Xavier sensing Spiderman eavesdropping...but doing nothing to telepathically take him out...

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http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9109/feat25fight2lw3.jpg
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Originally posted by llagrok
So if he displays 100 ton strength at some point, and no super strength at the other, he's a class 50?

Thats a really bad example you cant show me one character who has class 100 strength and then has no super strength...gezzzzz. If you have a character that displays no superhuman strength then shows he has class 100 thats PIS. C'mon man, think.

It really depends....if he has only a few enhanced showings but predominately non-enhanced showings that could be considered to be PIS. If he has lots of enhanced and lots of non-enhanced depending on the context and the feats it could be argued that he has enhanced reflexes but not as good as other heroes with more consistent feats. I dont see what the problem is.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That X-Men/Spiderman showing was one poor showing for the entire X-Men team. Granted Spidermans reflexes are superior but both Ms.Marvel Rogue and Nightcrawler should be able to dodge webbing. And then Xavier sensing Spiderman eavesdropping...but doing nothing to telepathically take him out...

Well actually Xavier did take Spiderman out he wiped his memory. Nightcrawler has been owned by Punisher as well.

Originally posted by llagrok
So if he displays 100 ton strength at some point, and no super strength at the other, he's a class 50?

wtf?