Rock Lee vs. Sasuke

lets see now. the same guy who after becoming faster than lee without weights, and further activating his cursed seal and rushing in with a chodori was casually brushed off by itachi, is now faster than itachi cud react and stabbed him and itachi admitted how much he had grown. it is also the same guy who swiftly took care of post shippuden naruto, sakura, sai and yamato before they cud even blink. this is also the same guy who took down hundreds hundreds of curse mark 2 body gurads while before with the speed of weightless lee and the surse seal cudnt even take care of one. this is also the guy who was able to slach tobi and attack diedara before they cud react. he also crossed the length of miles in an instant while flying with his wings away from the exploding minefield of diedara's, he was also able to instantaneously move from the ground to the back of diedara who was flying high and fast above him after summoning two fuuma shuriken form another angle. oh and maybe thge fact that most of the shippuden characters are amazed or scared of exactly how FAST sasuke is now, is the reason why i think he is much much MUCH faster than pre shippuden sasuke right now.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lets see now. the same guy who after becoming faster than lee without weights, and further activating his cursed seal and rushing in with a chodori was casually brushed off by itachi, is now faster than itachi cud react and stabbed him and itachi admitted how much he had grown. it is also the same guy who swiftly took care of post shippuden naruto, sakura, sai and yamato before they cud even blink. this is also the same guy who took down hundreds hundreds of curse mark 2 body gurads while before with the speed of weightless lee and the surse seal cudnt even take care of one. this is also the guy who was able to slach tobi and attack diedara before they cud react. he also crossed the length of miles in an instant while flying with his wings away from the exploding minefield of diedara's, he was also able to instantaneously move from the ground to the back of diedara who was flying high and fast above him after summoning two fuuma shuriken form another angle. oh and maybe thge fact that most of the shippuden characters are amazed or scared of exactly how FAST sasuke is now, is the reason why i think he is much much MUCH faster than pre shippuden sasuke right now.

Originally posted by Remindme
He did, but fireballs heated up the air so it's slowed his down significatly

But the reason he used fire aside to melt the ice, was because he saw him.

p.s why do you think we have coolers on the pc? things can move alot faster in cold, no friction

Prove that he moves at Lightspeed. And even if he did thats completely irrelevant, as seeing your opponent move that fast is nothing if you're body can't move fast enough to react to it. Lee has already proven this point.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Prove that he moves at Lightspeed. And even if he did thats completely irrelevant, as seeing your opponent move that fast is nothing if you're body can't move fast enough to react to it. Lee has already proven this point.

Why prove it if you've already decided it to be irrelevent? XD

Because if he really does move at the speed of light, I'm going to use that in Haku Vs, threads.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Because if he really does move at the speed of light, I'm going to use that in Haku Vs, threads.

Demonic Ice Mirrors he uses the reflection in the light to move between them. Thus moving at lightspeed

Originally posted by Kento
One problem..Naruto wasn't trying to kill just trying to get him to come back. Sasuke was trying to kill. Sasuke was at full power, Naruto wasn't and was still in control of himself.

Sasuke could match Lee's speed without weight but that's a lot slower than Lee's speed with the Gates open. That speed hasn't been seen since except for when Gai opened the Gates against Kisame.

What has Sasuke ever done that makes him look even half as fast as Lee with the Gates opened? As Gai's student Lee should easily be able to get past the Sharingan also. Not to mention Lee would be running around all over the place instead of charging straight in like Naruto does all the time. Lee is a better taijutsu fighter than Sasuke. The sharingan can be beat. Gai knows how and he's trained Lee in all his secrets I doubt he wouldn't train him to read body movement instead of starring into the eyes with Sasuke running around witht he sharingan.

Yes he could match lees speed with out hte weights... before he fought Naruto. Naruto's speed druing their last a battle was too fast for for Sauske meaning that he was moving faster than Rock Lees unagumented, but weightless speed.

Then his sharingan got more advanced and he was able to see Naruto's speed and even to match it. Meaning that they were both already moving faster than Lee.

Later when Naruto grew the one tail he agian got another boost in his speed, because once again he was faster than Sauske. Sauske then used he Curse Seal 2 and was again able to match Naruto's speed.

Basically before Shippudne even started Sasuke got two speed upgrades past Lees speed.

Now lets say lee opens the five gates. Is he faster? Yes. Is he fast enough to now completely blitz Sauske? Not likely. At the very least Sauske holds him off for the time it takes for Lee's stamina to run out.

Now if we take it to shippuden we cna assuem that Sauske is jsut as fast as he was in Naruto. Except that he now has an electric feild jutsu that can fry lee if he actually touches him.

Sasuke might have fruity black lipstick but he has all he needs to beat lee here.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Yes he could match lees speed with out hte weights... before he fought Naruto. Naruto's speed druing their last a battle was too fast for for Sauske meaning that he was moving faster than Rock Lees unagumented, but weightless speed.

Then his sharingan got more advanced and he was able to see Naruto's speed and even to match it. Meaning that they were both already moving faster than Lee.

Later when Naruto grew the one tail he agian got another boost in his speed, because once again he was faster than Sauske. Sauske then used he Curse Seal 2 and was again able to match Naruto's speed.

Basically before Shippudne even started Sasuke got two speed upgrades past Lees speed.

Now lets say lee opens the five gates. Is he faster? Yes. Is he fast enough to now completely blitz Sauske? Not likely. At the very least Sauske holds him off for the time it takes for Lee's stamina to run out.

Now if we take it to shippuden we cna assuem that Sauske is jsut as fast as he was in Naruto. Except that he now has an electric feild jutsu that can fry lee if he actually touches him.

Sasuke might have fruity black lipstick but he has all he needs to beat lee here.

2 things:

1) Curse mark 2 has a very limited time also

2) Post Shippuden Sasuke WTF owns lee, he beats Naruto, Sai and Sakura in the blink of an eye

Originally posted by Warmonger
Yes he could match lees speed with out hte weights... before he fought Naruto. Naruto's speed druing their last a battle was too fast for for Sauske meaning that he was moving faster than Rock Lees unagumented, but weightless speed.

Then his sharingan got more advanced and he was able to see Naruto's speed and even to match it. Meaning that they were both already moving faster than Lee.

Later when Naruto grew the one tail he agian got another boost in his speed, because once again he was faster than Sauske. Sauske then used he Curse Seal 2 and was again able to match Naruto's speed.

Basically before Shippudne even started Sasuke got two speed upgrades past Lees speed.

Now lets say lee opens the five gates. Is he faster? Yes. Is he fast enough to now completely blitz Sauske? Not likely. At the very least Sauske holds him off for the time it takes for Lee's stamina to run out.

Now if we take it to shippuden we cna assuem that Sauske is jsut as fast as he was in Naruto. Except that he now has an electric feild jutsu that can fry lee if he actually touches him.

Sasuke might have fruity black lipstick but he has all he needs to beat lee here.

Originally posted by Remindme
2 things:

1) Curse mark 2 has a very limited time also

2) Post Shippuden Sasuke WTF owns lee, he beats Naruto, Sai and Sakura in the blink of an eye

Originally posted by Kento
Lee was also trained to fight like a guy who battles a Sharingan user regularly

Ahem...yeah.....bullshit

Originally posted by Remindme
Ahem...yeah.....bullshit

Originally posted by Kento
Sure because Gai doesn't fight Kakashi and hasn't developed a way to get past it.

"Lee was also trained to fight like a guy who battles a Sharingan user regularly"

That is bull, working out how to get past it is true, but Lee is no where near perfection on that, unless you have proof otherwise?

Lee already knew about the Sharingan and what it was capable of before he met Sasuke. That's why he knew why Sasuke couldn't react to him at all when they first fought. And Lee fights exactly like Gai. He didn't know how to fight until he got on Gai's team at all so somebody had to teach him. Gai has taught him everything else from the Gates to his style of fighting yet he's going to leave out the ability to know what somebody is going to do by watching their feet? He's had nearly 4 years training with him by the beginning of Shippuden.

Originally posted by Kento
Lee already knew about the Sharingan and what it was capable of before he met Sasuke. That's why he knew why Sasuke couldn't react to him at all when they first fought. And Lee fights exactly like Gai. He didn't know how to fight until he got on Gai's team at all so somebody had to teach him. Gai has taught him everything else from the Gates to his style of fighting yet he's going to leave out the ability to know what somebody is going to do by watching their feet? He's had nearly 4 years training with him by the beginning of Shippuden.

This isn't Shippuden....and if it is.....i would totally laugh at you for saying Lee with 5 gates > Curse mark stage 2 Sasuke

Because

Spoiler:
At this point Sasuke kills Orochimaru, something we know Gai can't do, never mind Lee

Pre-Shippuden, Lee hasn't had the time to learn to predict movement via feet properly if at all

But orichimaru was also on his death bed and couldn't use his arms. It's not like Orichimaru was using his full power Sasuke even admits this.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
But orichimaru was also on his death bed and couldn't use his arms. It's not like Orichimaru was using his full power Sasuke even admits this.

Reguardless, that feat truimphs any of Lee's

Beating down someone who is on the verge o death and can use barely any of his Ninjitsu < Rock Lee's mediocre feats.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Beating down someone who is on the verge o death and can use barely any of his Ninjitsu < Rock Lee's mediocre feats.

It's not someone, It's Orochimaru, that's not someone. And if i recall correction Tsuande couldn't kill him in that state.

This is in Shippuden, are you actually saying going all out, you think Lee > Sasuke? if you say yes I'll give you a feat......but I#ll *****-slap you for being so silly 😛

(Edit)

I need to go out, this feat puts Sasuke mish ahead of Lee, however, one of the plots more major spoilers

Spoiler:
Sasuke Kills his brother, Uchiha Itachi

Was that even the real Itachi? He broke up into a bunch of birds. Plus he followed Sasuke he just didn't move. Saying how much stronger he has gotten doesn't mean he's stronger than him just that he's stronger than before.

Sai was able to react to Sasuke when he was about to stab Naruto and the on reason he took Sai down was because of the electric shield. He didn't exactly beat Yamato and was surprised when Yamato pushed back his blade with his wood technique. Not to mention none of them were trying to fight Sasuke.

Suigetsu was also able to take down cursed seal lvl 2 minions. You act like because they have the cursed seal they are strong. The Sound 4 were taken down by some of the weakest in the village and they were the ones Orochimaru chose to be by his side which would make them some of the strongest.

You also act like he hurt Tobi there wasn't blood or anything...Tobi also has done nothing to show how powerful he is yet. And even at that point nobody really knew he had the Sharingan and he acts like he's a bad fighter if he isn't one. Also what are you talking about? Sasuke used Madara and a spacial warp to get away from the blast he didn't out run it. Tobi outran it. The only two people that have been unable to see Sasuke was Sakura and Naruto.

but he did infact slash tobi and didnt miss. its onlythat tobi got right back up, i mean hello, he commands PAIN, the god, rinnegan user who plans to create a jutsu that can destroy entire shinobi COUNTRIES off the face of the planet in less then a second. and do it again and again and again and again.

and first off, i was talking about hte OTHER explosions of c-3 before he used the sacrificial jutsu. those were also enormous{aleit not over 10 kilometres in radius}. and that is when sasuke flew to avoid them. n body flickered to behind a flying diedara.

secondly, sasuke clearly SAYS, that he bore the full brunt of the attack in the beginning, before he receided into the mouth of manda and manda suffered the later attack. and he was there until the explosion dissipated. it was MUCH AFTERWARDS that suigetsu used a summoning jutsu to summon manda and sasuke from the destruction zone.

i do see that you have a tendency to seriously underrate naruto characters and feats.

Originally posted by Remindme
It's not someone, It's Orochimaru, that's not someone. And if i recall correction Tsuande couldn't kill him in that state.

This is in Shippuden, are you actually saying going all out, you think Lee > Sasuke? if you say yes I'll give you a feat......but I#ll *****-slap you for being so silly 😛

(Edit)

I need to go out, this feat puts Sasuke mish ahead of Lee, however, one of the plots more major spoilers

Spoiler:
Sasuke Kills his brother, Uchiha Itachi

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yup. sasuke's shaaringan wud have noticed a clone. he didnt move because sasuke attacked too fast. and im not saying he is or isnt stronger than itachi. it does mean that he has grown since the last time thye met pre shippuden.

not really, sasuke was acting cool and collected as always, otherwise the artist cudnt draw the next scene with his chidori discharge cud he? plot device. and it was already shown before that sasuke not only terrified but also countered the most poweful and surprise attack/unexpected jutsus of sai. he actually did slice through yamato's mukotan jutsu. he was surprised later because he was concentrating on sealing and dismissing the kyuubi in naruto's soul HELLO, he spaced out in the real world and that surprised him because h wasnt paying attention. and no, all of them were trying to fight sasuke. only naruto wasnt.

yes, suigetsu is STRONG. one of the chief 4 test subjects of urochimaru. on the level of karin, the curse seal creator and kimimaru. sasuke recruited him to take on AKATSUKI, and he wants to battle kisame, doesnt that say sumthing about him? the sound 4 were taken down by some of the STRONGEST in konohakagura. they had already made good work of a few jounins bfore they left remember.

but he did infact slash tobi and didnt miss. its onlythat tobi got right back up, i mean hello, he commands PAIN, the god, rinnegan user who plans to create a jutsu that can destroy entire shinobi COUNTRIES off the face of the planet in less then a second. and do it again and again and again and again.

and first off, i was talking about hte OTHER explosions of c-3 before he used the sacrificial jutsu. those were also enormous{aleit not over 10 kilometres in radius}. and that is when sasuke flew to avoid them. n body flickered to behind a flying diedara.

secondly, sasuke clearly SAYS, that he bore the full brunt of the attack in the beginning, before he receided into the mouth of manda and manda suffered the later attack. and he was there until the explosion dissipated. it was MUCH AFTERWARDS that suigetsu used a summoning jutsu to summon manda and sasuke from the destruction zone.

i do see that you have a tendency to seriously underrate naruto characters and feats.

The only reason he hit Yamato was because Sakura was an idiot and Yamato didn't know that Sasuke's sword would cut through his kunai. Also Sai does nothing but stop him from stabbing Naruto before he gets shocked. They weren't there to fight him.

And Suigetsu doesn't have a cursed seal and neither does Karin. The cursed seal mark doesn't make you powerful. And it says in the manga that the Jounin were worn out from their mission they had just come from and that they could have taken them had they not been. Nobody in that group of Genin were stronger than the Jounin with maybe the exception of Naruto with 1 tail and Cursed Seal lvl2 Sasuke but then again it's also a good possibility so is Lee with the Gates.

He slashed Tobi and from where the swing went it would have been deep yet there was no bleeding and Tobi was fin. And still Tobi has no feats of his own at all. Nobody knows what he can do or how strong he is except that he has a sharingan.

Which one do you mean? There is none that was big enough that he had to go miles away to avoid. The only one close to being like that was the one that is on a microscopic level and that was c4. Even then he used his Sharingan to try and full Deidara and didn't go miles away.

He and Manda took the hit before he did the move. Manda took most of it since he used Manda as a shield, and he was out of the area before Suigetsu summoned him. That's why the mark appeared on the seal that Suigetsu used.

I don't have a tendency to underrate Naruto at all. I just don't overrate Sasuke.