Rock Lee vs. Sasuke

Sasuke couldn't hit Deidara and now he's suppose to be able to easily kill Itachi moments later who is Deidara's superior? Yea that seems very likely that Itachi was really trying at all when he was following his every move.

The only reason he hit Yamato was because Sakura was an idiot and Yamato didn't know that Sasuke's sword would cut through his kunai. Also Sai does nothing but stop him from stabbing Naruto before he gets shocked. They weren't there to fight him.

really, that is why they all rush in and get elctrocuted. that is why naruto said hes gonna bash him up and take him home? again your original point was contered.

And Suigetsu doesn't have a cursed seal and neither does Karin. The cursed seal mark doesn't make you powerful. And it says in the manga that the Jounin were worn out from their mission they had just come from and that they could have taken them had they not been. Nobody in that group of Genin were stronger than the Jounin with maybe the exception of Naruto with 1 tail and Cursed Seal lvl2 Sasuke but then again it's also a good possibility so is Lee with the Gates.

LMAO, really? it doesnt make u powerful? well kishimoto ustv been on crack then. it never says in the manga that the jounin cud have taken the curse mark 2 sound nin. there are many jounin in naruto that are nowhere near the rookie 9. gaara/neiji/shimakaru/sasuke etc etc are far strongr than most jounin class. ibiki etc dont stand a chance. the only really powerful jounin are kakashi/gai etc. even asuma was done in by the immortal brothers, and you do remember what the rookie did to them dont you. most jounin are nuthing compared to the major youngsters.

He slashed Tobi and from where the swing went it would have been deep yet there was no bleeding and Tobi was fin. And still Tobi has no feats of his own at all. Nobody knows what he can do or how strong he is except that he has a sharingan.

thats because tobi is stronger than PAIN!!!!!!!!! anyway, whats the use of the statement? it doesnt counter my point does it. ur just trying to make it seem like a valid explanation when it has nuthing to do with the line of argument.

Which one do you mean? There is none that was big enough that he had to go miles away to avoid. The only one close to being like that was the one that is on a microscopic level and that was c4. Even then he used his Sharingan to try and full Deidara and didn't go miles away.

r u for real. c-3s alone were strong enough to destroy the city sized sand village. and were devestating large geographical areas.

He and Manda took the hit before he did the move. Manda took most of it since he used Manda as a shield, and he was out of the area before Suigetsu summoned him. That's why the mark appeared on the seal that Suigetsu used.

huh. he took the hit, then etered in the mouth of manda. who tool the rest, they remained there for quite a while before suigetsu summoned them. and which mark are you talking about???

I don't have a tendency to underrate Naruto at all. I just don't overrate Sasuke.

yea u do.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
who said anything about killing? your just adding statement to make it seem like your original point wasnt countered, well it was. itachi wasnt following his moves when he stabbed him.

really, that is why they all rush in and get elctrocuted. that is why naruto said hes gonna bash him up and take him home? again your original point was contered.

LMAO, really? it doesnt make u powerful? well kishimoto ustv been on crack then. it never says in the manga that the jounin cud have taken the curse mark 2 sound nin. there are many jounin in naruto that are nowhere near the rookie 9. gaara/neiji/shimakaru/sasuke etc etc are far strongr than most jounin class. ibiki etc dont stand a chance. the only really powerful jounin are kakashi/gai etc. even asuma was done in by the immortal brothers, and you do remember what the rookie did to them dont you. most jounin are nuthing compared to the major youngsters.

thats because tobi is stronger than PAIN!!!!!!!!! anyway, whats the use of the statement? it doesnt counter my point does it. ur just trying to make it seem like a valid explanation when it has nuthing to do with the line of argument.

r u for real. c-3s alone were strong enough to destroy the city sized sand village. and were devestating large geographical areas.

huh. he took the hit, then etered in the mouth of manda. who tool the rest, they remained there for quite a while before suigetsu summoned them. and which mark are you talking about???

yea u do.

They didn't rush Sasuke. Sasuke appears beside Naruto goes to stab him then Sai stops him. Yamato was about to do a technique as Naruto grabs Sasuke's other arm and then Sasuke shocks Sai and Naruto. Neither of them even begin to fight. Sakura rushed in yes and that's why she was an idiot. Yamato tried to block Kusunagi and that was why he got stabbed.

The Jonin that were attacked by the sound four were already out of most of their chakra and just back from a mission and that's the reason they got beat. It says this in the manga. Also Asuma was killed by Hidan because they didn't know all of his abilities at first. Shikamaru had time to plan for all that happened next fight. Shikamaru is the Batman of Naruto. Give him a bit of planning and he can at the least hold off people stronger than him for a long time and Shikamaru is by far not one of the strongest in the village.As for Kazuki...Kakashi was fighting him most of the time until Naruto came. All the genin are weaker than their parents or in Neji's case his uncle.

Because Tobi's stronger than Pein (even though that's not even known since Pein has eyes superior to Sharingan) he isn't going to bleed if he is cut? Who is to say that Tobi didn't dodge it and being Tobi acted like an idiot? That makes a lot more sense to me than him being hit by it and it doing nothing even though it goes all the way through.

The C3 do large damage but it isn't miles at all.

Sasuke says right before he used the jutsu to do the spacial warp he and Manda was hit by the explosion. So he'd have been in Manda as they were hit. And the mark on the scroll Suigetsu holds up. It is blank then a snake appears on it.

It shows Itachi following him with his eyes as he moves behing him and has his eyes looking over he just doesn't turn his head to actually face Sasuke.

newsflash, you cant look at sum1 behind you without turning your head.

They didn't rush Sasuke. Sasuke appears beside Naruto goes to stab him then Sai stops him. Yamato was about to do a technique as Naruto grabs Sasuke's other arm and then Sasuke shocks Sai and Naruto. Neither of them even begin to fight. Sakura rushed in yes and that's why she was an idiot. Yamato tried to block Kusunagi and that was why he got stabbed.

lol, defensive maneuvers to save one's life are no considered fighting now. just so you know none of them even had a CHANCE to do any offensive ones. the orders were clear, forcefully bring back sasuke. whatever the reason, they all did get attacked. and really, how can you say they didnt al rush him when all of them got hit by the close range chidori discharge?

The Jonin that were attacked by the sound four were already out of most of their chakra and just back from a mission and that's the reason they got beat. It says this in the manga. Also Asuma was killed by Hidan because they didn't know all of his abilities at first. Shikamaru had time to plan for all that happened next fight. Shikamaru is the Batman of Naruto. Give him a bit of planning and he can at the least hold off people stronger than him for a long time and Shikamaru is by far not one of the strongest in the village.As for Kazuki...Kakashi was fighting him most of the time until Naruto came. All the genin are weaker than their parents or in Neji's case his uncle.

the manga doesnt say that hey were out of most of their chakra. and reguardless of WHY asuma was killed, he WAS killed. and shikamaru wasnt, strength doesnt just mean pure power. as for kakuzu, kakashi was getting his ASS KICKED until naruto arrived. his only choice was mangekyo shaaringan which wud have incapacitated him. naruto took down the akatsuki which no normal jounin cud do. as far as the gennin comment goes, they are all atleast chuunin and neiji and shikamaru and temari are jounins while gaara is kazekage. u might wanna reconsider it because the NEW GENERATION IS KING.

Because Tobi's stronger than Pein (even though that's not even known since Pein has eyes superior to Sharingan) he isn't going to bleed if he is cut? Who is to say that Tobi didn't dodge it and being Tobi acted like an idiot? That makes a lot more sense to me than him being hit by it and it doing nothing even though it goes all the way through.

tobi didnt dodge it because he wasnt SHOWN to dodge it. he got hit, fell back because of it and then got back up. there are many jutsus in naruto which wud protect against such an attack n stop bleeding. we dont know, but we do know he got hit.

The C3 do large damage but it isn't miles at all.

utterly untrue, look at the scan of the blast that was supposed to take down the hidden village of sand. it is mileS wide. and gaara's sand contruct is similarly large. same goes for the c-3 explosions against sasuke.

Sasuke says right before he used the jutsu to do the spacial warp he and Manda was hit by the explosion. So he'd have been in Manda as they were hit. And the mark on the scroll Suigetsu holds up. It is blank then a snake appears on it.

u sound confused. sasuke didnt do ANY warp jutsu. he just summoned manda and entered his mouth after taking the first brunt of the attack and then manda took the rest. it was SUIGETSU who later summoned sasuke. sasuke did take the major attack, he said so himself.

This is insane....how can you possibly think shippuden Rock Lee stand a hope?

at this point Sasuke know better jutsu's, has more feats, is dealing with the same crowd alone (most of the time) and winning, He has a kekkai genkai that is awesome against taijutsu fighters, can copy their moves and speed.......

I don't understand how you can possibly beleive Rock Lee wins

Originally posted by Remindme
This is insane....how can you possibly think shippuden Rock Lee stand a hope?

at this point Sasuke know better jutsu's, has more feats, is dealing with the same crowd alone (most of the time) and winning, He has a kekkai genkai that is awesome against taijutsu fighters, can copy their moves and speed.......

I don't understand how you can possibly beleive Rock Lee wins

Originally posted by leonheartmm
newsflash, you cant look at sum1 behind you without turning your head.

lol, defensive maneuvers to save one's life are no considered fighting now. just so you know none of them even had a CHANCE to do any offensive ones. the orders were clear, forcefully bring back sasuke. whatever the reason, they all did get attacked. and really, how can you say they didnt al rush him when all of them got hit by the close range chidori discharge?

the manga doesnt say that hey were out of most of their chakra. and reguardless of WHY asuma was killed, he WAS killed. and shikamaru wasnt, strength doesnt just mean pure power. as for kakuzu, kakashi was getting his ASS KICKED until naruto arrived. his only choice was mangekyo shaaringan which wud have incapacitated him. naruto took down the akatsuki which no normal jounin cud do. as far as the gennin comment goes, they are all atleast chuunin and neiji and shikamaru and temari are jounins while gaara is kazekage. u might wanna reconsider it because the NEW GENERATION IS KING.

tobi didnt dodge it because he wasnt SHOWN to dodge it. he got hit, fell back because of it and then got back up. there are many jutsus in naruto which wud protect against such an attack n stop bleeding. we dont know, but we do know he got hit.

utterly untrue, look at the scan of the blast that was supposed to take down the hidden village of sand. it is mileS wide. and gaara's sand contruct is similarly large. same goes for the c-3 explosions against sasuke.

u sound confused. sasuke didnt do ANY warp jutsu. he just summoned manda and entered his mouth after taking the first brunt of the attack and then manda took the rest. it was SUIGETSU who later summoned sasuke. sasuke did take the major attack, he said so himself.

Yes the manga does say that. It says they were tired and low on chakra after just finishing a mission and that's the only reason why they were like that. The guy with the long toothpick thing says it to Tsunade right before Gai comes running in and that a Jonin team should go help them. Yea it does matter why Asuma was killed and why Shikamaru wasn't. Shikamaru had time to analyze and think of a plan while Asuma nor Shikamaru didn't know the extent of Hidan's powers when Asuma was killed. Shikamaru may be on of the brightest in the village but he's also got low chakra. And Neji is the only Jonin of the original Genin. Shikamaru is only a Chunnin. Still that doesn't make them the strongest in the village. And Naruto has a healing factor, nearly unlimited chakra, and a hard head. Him beating Kazuki was luck plus he has a move superior to anything anybody else can do so one hit is all it takes to win a fight.

Yes, because there may be a jutsu to stop blood there suddenly is one. This is a guy that ran from whereever Deidara and Sasuke fought, which wasn't it in the Fire Country, to Rain Country in minutes and he couldn't have dodged it and made it seem as it hit him? This is also Tobi who is naive and doesn't like to show his power at all to people so he's not going to just swiftly dodge it like it's nothing.

What he used on Sand Village wasn't anything like he used on Sasuke at all...So what's the point? There were big explosions and the biggest one Sasuke just blocked with his Cursed Seal lvl2 Form he didn't dodge any mile wide blasts.

Sasuke used a jutsu to fly through a different space. He used Manda to absorb most of the attack. He wasn't sitting in that area where the blast went off until he was summoned. Suigetsu even says you used a jutsu to fly into a different space. It was just before he did he took the start of the blast while he was inside Manda. There's a reason he's alive and Manda isn't. He used Manda as a shield.

Wait what. That was not Itachi. That was pretty much nothing but a clone or a Genjutsu. Unless Itachi suddely got some freaky power to turn itno crows.

Teh sharingan does nto let you see that something is a clone. It does let you see the flow of chakra so you can try to guess if something is a clone. In dnd terms it allows you a saving throw where none would be allowed. So while someone with poor chakra control like Naruto might give themselves away easily Itachi's soul clone wouldn't even trigger it.

Even if you you want to say that it was Itachi. It is pretty obvious that he wasn't trying to kill him there jsut test his strength which is why he told him that the actual fight would happen later.

Sauske had to jump Orochimaru on his death bed, could barely beat Deidra and we're suppsoed to belive he offed ITachi becasue he killed a shadow clone/replacment jutsu?

Look I think Sasuke beats Lee but lets nto start making things up here.

Also I got to take Kento's side as far as this part of the argument goes cause you are majorly spinnging some things there Leonheart. The curse seal guys barely escpaed withtheir lives agaisnt two Jounin.

Aslo it is pretty obvious that Kakazu jobbed to Naruto. Not to take away form the Futon Rasengan but with his speed he should never have been hit by it.

Also the young guys are definetly NOT stronger than the Jounin. They maybe stronger than most Chunin but look back on the first time they fought Hidan and Kakazu what did Shikamrau do when they foudn out that Hidan was immortal. Nothing. When Ino and Choji showed up they didn't do anything either. It was the Jounin's crows that actually bought them some time.