Hm, I'll have a look, but if I'm honest, he wouldn't need speed.
(Take in mind I haven't read all the pages so far), but I don't believe an example of Wolverine being able to cut an ionic being has been shown? If it has, I'll concede, but Simon is far too durable, I don't see what Logan can do to him if his claws don't work.
Whereas Wonder Man has enough strength to put him down (KO) or he could grab him, fly very high into the air.. and then drop him. 😬
I don't see how this isn't Simon in a stomp.
Originally posted by Citizen V
Hm, I'll have a look, but if I'm honest, he wouldn't need speed.
Please do.
Originally posted by Citizen V
(Take in mind I haven't read all the pages so far), but I don't believe an example of Wolverine being able to cut an ionic being has been shown? If it has, I'll concede, but Simon is far too durable, I don't see what Logan can do to him if his claws don't work.
Well heres the thing it hasnt been etsablished wether Splice cut him with vibranuim or adamntuim......it seems to me that hes blades probably were......but were not sure.
Surely Wolverine has cut very durableheroes before. Hulk hes beaten Hercules, etc
Originally posted by Citizen V
Whereas Wonder Man has enough strength to put him down (KO) or he could grab him, fly very high into the air.. and then drop him. 😬I don't see how this isn't Simon in a stomp.
Im sure strength is not going to cut it because hes fought class100s before and won.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Please do.Well heres the thing it hasnt been etsablished wether Splice cut him with vibranuim or adamntuim......it seems to me that hes blades probably were......but were not sure.
Surely Wolverine has cut very durableheroes before. Hulk hes beaten Hercules, etc
Im sure strength is not going to cut it because hes fought class100s before and won.
He may have cut very durable heroes before, but it doesn't work if there isn't any flesh and blood to cut; Simon Williams is made of pure Ionic energy, Wolverine isn't going to be able to cut him, believe me. Especially considering that Wonder man's faced off against adamantium versions of Ultron several times before and come off, well.. not too bad.
Brute strength might not work for some people against Wolverine, but that's only because their susceptible to being hurt by Wolverine's claws in close combat, whereas Simon IMO wouldn't be and therefore could beat on him without any ill damage to himself.
I don't see how Wolverine can win if his claws are useless, to be honest.
Not to mention Simon's beaten his ass down before.
Originally posted by Citizen V
He may have cut very durable heroes before, but it doesn't work if there isn't any flesh and blood to cut; Simon Williams is made of pure Ionic energy, Wolverine isn't going to be able to cut him, believe me.
A bruise isnt the same as a cut but if hes pure enrgey he wouldnt get bruised. 😬
Originally posted by Citizen V
Especially considering that Wonder man's faced off against adamantium versions of Ultron several times before and come off, well.. not too bad.
Yeah but how was the adamantuim applied? Blunt is different from sharp. Sharp adamantuim is super sharp, blunt adamntuim is superhard but doesnt really do that more damage than any othet hard metal would. With sharp adamantuim you dont neccesarily need superhuman strength.
Originally posted by Citizen V
Brute strength might not work for some people against Wolverine, but that's only because their susceptible to being hurt by Wolverine's claws in close combat, whereas Simon IMO wouldn't be and therefore could beat on him without any ill damage to himself.I don't see how Wolverine can win if his claws are useless, to be honest.
Look I want WM to win this but I cant see much evidence...
Originally posted by Citizen V
Not to mention Simon's beaten his ass down before.
Infinity Crusade? Well apparently he had just finished fighting Shaman...or what a minute he was fighting Shaman. 😏
Originally posted by Citizen V
Mkay, I'll make this brief then.You say there is a lack of evidence to explain Simon winning, but how exactly do you think Wolverine will beat him? 😬
Its not clear cut wether WM cant be cut. Splices costume was made of vinranuim mesh but his blades actually look different to the rest of the costume. So it seems to me that WM can still be cut. I dunno though I think if they said his costume was made out of vibranuim then theres a good chance his blades would be.
Wolverine has fought Hercules and Hulk before both of those guys are stronger than WM and Wolverine can take shots from them he can take shots from WM.
WM does have better H2H and speed than most bricks but I dont think his speed and H2H are enough to put Wolverine down. Wolverine will use his durability and speed to evade WMs attacks and then get him with a lethal shot.
What are you talking about? He wears a red safari jacket these days, not a costume. So I don't see how it could be made of vibranium? When he basically turns up in whatever he's wearing.
And "Splice" who/what is that? 😬.
Wolverine has taken shots from them, he's also been absolutely SLAUGHTERED by people of that caliber. Just because he's managed to hang with a few 100 class people for a while, doesn't suddenly mean he can take their hits like their normal humans.
Simon could just as easily BFR him, from either picking him up and using that ionic strength of his to throw him to the other side of the country, or flying him straight into the space, because really.. only one of them needs to breath, and it's not him.
You can't speak about Wolverine's durability, and then not mention that Simon's just about the most durable hero on the face of the planet. And you don't even take into consideration Simon's flight, heck, if he needed(which he doesn't really need to, because he could wipe the floor with Wolvie) he could fly 100 feet into the air and stay there.
There wouldn't be a thing Wolverine could do about it.
Originally posted by Citizen V
What are you talking about? He wears a red safari jacket these days, not a costume. So I don't see how it could be made of vibranium? When he basically turns up in whatever he's wearing.And "Splice" who/what is that? 😬.
Who you talking about im talking about Splice not WM.
http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villains/splice/splice.html
Originally posted by Citizen V
Wolverine has taken shots from them, he's also been absolutely [B]SLAUGHTERED by people of that caliber. Just because he's managed to hang with a few 100 class people for a while, doesn't suddenly mean he can take their hits like their normal humans.
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Well...one example where got stomped is by Mauvais using Wendigos power....other examples? I can also think of another example where Wolverine states on panel that his HF cant recover because Hulk keeps hitting him.
Originally posted by Citizen V
Simon could just as easily BFR him, from either picking him up and using that ionic strength of his to throw him to the other side of the country, or flying him straight into the space, because really.. only one of them needs to breath, and it's not him.
Yeah I just rembered, WM wins 10/10...im just being generous. Apparently im baised despite the fact ive defended Wolverine various times on this forum.
Originally posted by Citizen V
You can't speak about Wolverine's durability, and then not mention that Simon's just about the most durable hero on the face of the planet. And you don't even take into consideration Simon's flight, heck, if he needed(which he doesn't really need to, because he could wipe the floor with Wolvie) he could fly 100 feet into the air and stay there.There wouldn't be a thing Wolverine could do about it.
The only way I can see flight helping is if he flys in the air and thorws stuff at him, if he charges Wolverine theres a chance that Wolverine could hit WM flying at high speed.
Anyway BFR for the win.
Originally posted by Alfheim
*yawn* Im fed up with this as well. From what I can see Wolverine wins 6/10. Apparently there is another showing were WM was moving faster than a car than outspeed there car moving like a speedster whilst dodging traffic. Dont know what issues its in.
So you don't have a scan, an issue number or anything?
Wolverine's ran down a speeding truck on several occasions. that's nothing.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No I didnt pay attention for the second time.What issues did Wolverine fight Venom and Omega Red knwoing you , you are probably blowing things out of proportion.
MCP 117-121
Venom 7-8
X-Men 4-5
There is no exaggeration there. Wolverine delt with Red for 18 hours, and Venom's speed has never been a problem, where's anything blown out of proportion there?
No-Where. 😐
But you of course wouldn't know that since you don't read comics.
Originally posted by Alfheim🤨
From what I can see Wolverine wins 6/10. Your seem to be right but the way you argue your case is bulll****. You keep making excuses 100 percent of the time its just probability that you end up being right. n
Originally posted by Citizen V
Hm, I'll have a look, but if I'm honest, he wouldn't need speed.(Take in mind I haven't read all the pages so far), but I don't believe an example of Wolverine being able to cut an ionic being has been shown? If it has, I'll concede, but Simon is far too durable, I don't see what Logan can do to him if his claws don't work.
Whereas Wonder Man has enough strength to put him down (KO) or he could grab him, fly very high into the air.. and then drop him. 😬
I don't see how this isn't Simon in a stomp.
Because it's not proven one way or the other that Wolverine's claws are or aren't effective on WM, once we have that proof we can decide from there more accurately. At the moment though, Wonderman has a the very least been caused phyisical pain by claws that weren't even an adamantium grade.
Originally posted by jinzin
Because it's not proven one way or the other that Wolverine's claws are or aren't effective on WM, once we have that proof we can decide from there more accurately. At the moment though, Wonderman has a the very least been caused phyisical pain by claws that weren't even an adamantium grade.
Mkay, on that logic, Wonderman crushed B-grade Adamantium, it's not proven one way or another that he cannot crush A-grade, so he might be able to bend/break Wolverine's claws/bones.
Originally posted by jinzin
well for one, B grade adamantium and grade A adamantium are worlds apart.Two, Wolverine isn't even sporting just grade A but a mutated form called adamantium beta which is much stronger.
Finally, oh please, if Hulks failed to do so you honestly think Simon has a chance in hell?
I'm playing devil's advocate, I know Wonderman wouldn't, but without proof either way it's moot.