Wonder Man vs Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
Math doesn't mean anything if your comparisons don't "add up".

Wolverine got hit once by Namor with a steel girder, but he was A) facing Namor, and B) he was aware he was fighting namor AND C) namor didn't follow up immediately afterwards...

WM hitting him once really shouldn't be that big a deal no...

WM hitting him once while he's unaware from behind? That's different, and it's been proven...

Wolverine got hit once from behind by a Sasquatch from a sneak attack... he got KOed...
Wolverine aware he was fighting Sym.. didn't. 😐

When he's just been blasted by a class 100 punch in the back of the head totally unaware of what's going on.. YES... what's so hard to understand about that?

Example: In wrestling I can stop a shot I have the skill and the strength to do it, I can get a reversal even if taken down.
However, if someone tackles me from behind while I'm walking down the street my reactions will probably differ exponentially... If someone 100 times as strong as me tackles me from behind... well. 😬

Seriously Alf what are you trying to accomplish here.. you want to call out Wolverine's lack of speed, but you use experience and skill to say that it doesn't make sense... you're being contradictive and ridiculous.

1. What happened to Wolverines heightened sense? Does WM have ninja training so that he doesnt make a sound when he walks? Does WM have the power to mask his scent. We can conclude from this example that Wolverine probably sensed him coming but was not fast enough to react.

2. Training. People are trained to react even when they dont expect something for example in ninjuitsu they teach you how to roll on the floor if somebody pushes you over, so basically even if you dont expect something you body still reacts instinctively.

3. I made the point that even if he was not aware of the first punch he could have reacted to the second. He was till conscious, he still has enhanced reflexes he could have scrambled to his feet to defend himself. It could be argued that he couldnt do it because he wasnt fast enough.

Originally posted by jinzin

scans? Issue?

Get it yourself your being a douche again.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Get it yourself your being a douche again.

Pointing out your incredible ineptitude doesn't make him a douche. doped.

Originally posted by Soljer
Pointing out your incredible ineptitude doesn't make him a douche. doped.

*shrug*

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not all characters have the same level of durability.

ya and hulk and many others have proven to have greater durability compared with wondman

The number of times Hulk has been made to bleed compared to Simon says otherwise.

honestly this is a good fight and I cant come up with a winner. Wonderman is bad as hell and wolverine is also bad. Answer this Alfheim
do you think that spiderman can beat wonderman. If so can you please give me a reason on how.

Wonderman 1 shots wolverine

Namor did it dry so wonderman could diffently do it

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Wonderman 1 shots wolverine

Namor did it dry so wonderman could diffently do it

I guess you never read the issue where wolverine and namor fought. Do me a favor and read it one more time and look at the issues before that. Wolverine just got all the flesh burned off of him by nitro, got into other fights and then fought namor along with some of namor assistants and namor could have gotten killed but wolverine stabbed him and walked off. Wolverine could have stabbed him and while namor was laying on the ground hurt, slice his head off.

Like I said, read the issues before, then you might get a better understanding of why wolverine was koed by a SNEAK attack.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess you never read the issue where wolverine and namor fought. Do me a favor and read it one more time and look at the issues before that. Wolverine just got all the flesh burned off of him by nitro, got into other fights and then fought namor along with some of namor assistants and namor could have gotten killed but wolverine stabbed him and walked off. Wolverine could have stabbed him and while namor was laying on the ground hurt, slice his head off.

Like I said, read the issues before, then you might get a better understanding of why wolverine was koed by a SNEAK attack.

and i read the issue wear they fought underwater

Namor was holding back ALOT

Originally posted by Alfheim
1. What happened to Wolverines heightened sense? Does WM have ninja training so that he doesnt make a sound when he walks? Does WM have the power to mask his scent. We can conclude from this example that Wolverine probably sensed him coming but was not fast enough to react.

Lol, well for one WW wasn't walking up on Wolverine he was flying at high speeds..

Two, Wolverine was just finished being engaged in battle with Shaman's corporial form....

And Three.... his heightened senses are irrelivent to the discussion....
You can't legitimately discredit Logan's speed if your evidence is that his heightened senses are what failed him. Because? His heightened senses are only a faction of various attributes that make the bulk of his sheer speed.

His senses aren't perfect, he's not Spiderman, and frankly even Spidey's been taken by surprise from-behind-the-back-sneak-attacks.
The only question here is do you think Wolverine would have been too slow to react if he knew the attack was coming.. Of course the only LOGICAL answer to this question is a flat out NO... but I don't expect that from you... 😉

Originally posted by Alfheim
2. Training. People are trained to react even when they dont expect something for example in ninjuitsu they teach you how to roll on the floor if somebody pushes you over, so basically even if you dont expect something you body still reacts instinctively.

My last example's a clear display of that. 😐

you can "train" to catch arrows out of the air, but if someone clocks you from behind your training doesn't make one damned bit of difference.

Originally posted by Alfheim
3. I made the point that even if he was not aware of the first punch he could have reacted to the second. He was till conscious, he still has enhanced reflexes he could have scrambled to his feet to defend himself. It could be argued that he couldnt do it because he wasnt fast enough.

DICK... 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
Get it yourself your being a douche again.

Wonder Man's whole "thing" was his durability. They went on and on about how he was basically ionic energy and pretty much indestructible.

He has been knocked out before, but one of the only times I remember him getting physically injured, was against Hyperion in the '80's, during that challenge between Grandmaster and Korvac I think.

I think.

Anyway, Hyperion broke WM's arm.

But,I don't remember a lot of other times when he actually got hurt.

Heres one I made earlier...couldnt be assed to respond because I thought jinzin would come up with more excuses...but anyway im bored and here it is:

Originally posted by jinzin
Lol, well for one WW wasn't walking up on Wolverine he was flying at high speeds..

Yeah because objects flying at high speeds dont make any noise do they? Hell Wolverine can see bullets in slow motion and has heightened sense...I guess WM must have been flying faster than the speed of sound. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin

Two, Wolverine was just finished being engaged in battle with Shaman's corporial form....

*sigh* so what he has enhanced stamina. Hes taken blasts from Omega mutants and kept going hes been stripped to the skeleton and ended up fighting Namor and still dropped him, big deal.

Originally posted by jinzin

And Three.... his heightened senses are irrelivent to the discussion....
You can't legitimately discredit Logan's speed if your evidence is that his heightened senses are what failed him. Because? His heightened senses are only a faction of various attributes that make the bulk of his sheer speed.

Thats complete and utter bullshit. Wolverine has heightened senses somebody sneaks up on him and its irrelevant? You wanna think about that again?

Originally posted by jinzin

His senses aren't perfect, he's not Spiderman, and frankly even Spidey's been taken by surprise from-behind-the-back-sneak-attacks.

Yeah and what were these circumstances? If somebody is able to sneak up on somebody with enhanced senses there are two ways which you can do it either be too fast or have the ability to negate his senses.

Originally posted by jinzin

The only question here is do you think Wolverine would have been too slow to react if he knew the attack was coming.. Of course the only LOGICAL answer to this question is a flat out NO... but I don't expect that from you... 😉

Of course theres no possibility that Wolverine could have known and wasnt fast enough to react.....it has to be that he didnt know. Please take my quote off your profile.

Originally posted by jinzin

Once again, irrelivant....

My last example's a clear display of that. 😐

you can "train" to catch arrows out of the air, but if someone clocks you from behind your training doesn't make one damned bit of difference.

Where did I say catching arrows?

Originally posted by Alfheim

2. Training. People are trained to react even when they dont expect something for example in ninjuitsu they teach you how to roll on the floor if somebody pushes you over, so basically even if you dont expect something you body still reacts instinctively.

I said being pushed from behind and that also apply to being attacked from behind as well. He would have had training to help him deal with being struck from behind and landing on the floor, in ninjitus they teach how to roll on the floor if you lose your balance.

Originally posted by jinzin

if he was grounded instead of pouncing around like a pin ball perhaps he could have.. NOT in the situation presented however...
It COULD be argued that he wasn't fast enough to react to an attack that he didn't know was coming sure... what does that mean in this thread?

DICK... 😐

I can't help it; it's a side effect of trying to put up with your nonsense on a semi regular basis...

He was not bouncing around like a pinball, look at the first panel AGAIN. He bounced and then he started to slide along the ground. Look at it again he stopped bouncing.

In the second panel WM then punches Wolverine in the head again. How did Wolverine move from sliding on the ground on his head to then WM being able to punch him in the face?

1. Did he bounce into that position? No he stopped bouncing and was moving along the ground.
2. Did WM pick him off the floor and punch him, no.
3. Can Wolverine levitate. No.

So the only conclusion is that Wolverine was trying to get to his feet but wasnt fast enough to move out of the way.

Wolverine can't cut Wonder Man so WM wins.

Originally posted by Tommy05
Wolverine can't cut Wonder Man so WM wins.

Are you sure?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you sure?

Originally posted by Tommy05
Someone tried to cut him with Adamantium before and only his shirt was ripped.

Yipee!! Wolverine loses!! 😱

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yipee!! Wolverine loses!! 😱

Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya and hulk and many others have proven to have greater durability compared with wondman

WM's whole schtick seems to include the fact that he is pretty much indestructible.

Originally posted by Tommy05
Someone tried to cut him with Adamantium before and only his shirt was ripped.

Issue number?

Originally posted by jinzin
There's really no indication one way or another... but just for your info "that version" of Simon got his ass handed to him by Splice... a Ninja with blades on his hands. 😐

The blades didn't work against him, though. Splice was just able to use his skill to outmaneuver Simon, and he kept using explosives, shock pellets, and electricity to throw Simon off. Eventually, he shot a bunch of explosives down Simon's throat. He also had a vibrantum-weave costume (similar to Priest's Black Panther) that blunted Simon's attacks and a hydraulic exoskeleton that made him able to leap much higher than a human.

It should be noted that, after being embarrassed by Splice's skill, Simon sought out martial arts training from Captain America to avoid something similar ever happening again.

When he next faced Splice, the assassin had developed a new weapon, an "ion dampener" capable of suppressing Simon's powers, as well as an enhanced exoskeleton. Simon still kicked his ass, along with the ass of his partner, Rampage.