Wonder Man vs Wolverine

Started by Tommy0520 pages
Originally posted by Tommy05
Wait, what?? The only flawed thing I see right now is your logic. Use the rules.

The same argument like in the other thread.

I am done with you. The forum doesn't use crap like that because it wouldn't happen based off past showings and what not.

*Sigh*

They were past showings and did happen. Past showings often are very funny. Power levels fluctuate all the time and retconns are continuoous not just in events like crisis. How many ways has the marvel universe started. I think we are up to about 8 different canon creation events. All because different writers decided.

Actually, a fight between the two has already been written, Wolverine needed to be saved.

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
Because most writers would have him "find a way". Simon Williams is a generic and rather boring character. He has been ever since he became "good".

Pretty bold coming from someone promoting Wolverine.

I heard they couldn't give Wonderman's latest mini-series away.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I heard they couldn't give Wonderman's latest mini-series away.

It had maybe the worst art I've ever seen.

I heard Wonderman is stronger than Colossus.

Wolverine can stand down the Hulk when he's in a berserker rage.
I've seen him tear through a hoard of Asgard's demons in a cross over series without his berserker rage.
Those claws aren't made of cheese but that's probably what the guy who draws the chalk outline around Wondy would tell the camera guy when he snaps the photo for the coroner.

Wonder Man would force Logan's claws up his own anus.
And use regular old chains to keep him bound in that position.

Originally posted by KK the Great
The blades didn't work against him, though. Splice was just able to use his skill to outmaneuver Simon, and he kept using explosives, shock pellets, and electricity to throw Simon off. Eventually, he shot a bunch of explosives down Simon's throat. He also had a vibrantum-weave costume (similar to Priest's Black Panther) that blunted Simon's attacks and a hydraulic exoskeleton that made him able to leap much higher than a human.

It should be noted that, after being embarrassed by Splice's skill, Simon sought out martial arts training from Captain America to avoid something similar ever happening again.

When he next faced Splice, the assassin had developed a new weapon, an "ion dampener" capable of suppressing Simon's powers, as well as an enhanced exoskeleton. Simon still kicked his ass, along with the ass of his partner, Rampage.

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I never said the blades cut Simon, I said that they hurt him...

And they certainly did. Simon experienced physical pain when Splice hit him in the face with them.
So what of his suit, Logan has more damage soak than he does period.
So what of his high jump? Daredevil gets that kind of height in his jumps during his casual midnight runs nevermind Wolverine.

And, the entire point for bringing Splice up was simply as a reference point to counter people who think that Infinity Crusade was an accurate representation of how a fight between Wolverine and Wondy would go down in a forum fight.. in short... it isn't.

The fact is, that Simon got completely bewildered and hurt in a 1on1 with a man who has less talent, refined skill, speed, reflexes, strength, or experience than Wolverine by handfuls, and that included during their h2h trading.

Yes Simon's improved since then, but the fact that he needed training from Cap and waas shown having problems with U.S. Agent only attests to the fact that a real fight between him and Wolverine wouldn't be as one sided as IC 6 would have us believe.

And please when were Splices blades ever accredited to being adamantium? As far as I'm aware, never comes to mind.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Heres one I made earlier...couldnt be assed to respond because I thought jinzin would come up with more excuses...but anyway im bored and here it is:

Excuses as opposed to your half assed half witted conclusions?

I can live with that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah because objects flying at high speeds dont make any noise do they? Hell Wolverine can see bullets in slow motion and has heightened sense...I guess WM must have been flying faster than the speed of sound. 🙄

Listen, Wolverine was already in a fight when Wondy was coming up behind him, what happened after that proves nothing in a forum fight.
Hell it doesn't even prove that Wondy could do as much damage as he did in that encounter opposed to now since that was pre bone-claw era.

Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh* so what he has enhanced stamina. Hes taken blasts from Omega mutants and kept going hes been stripped to the skeleton and ended up fighting Namor and still dropped him, big deal.

Stamina's hardly the point here.. the fact that his attention was already appointed to a previous engagement is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats complete and utter bullshit. Wolverine has heightened senses somebody sneaks up on him and its irrelevant? You wanna think about that again?

No it's not. It's a fact.
His speed in a fight is going to be complimented with his reflexes, what he sees, his strength, his size, build, etc.. Enhanced senses failing him does not prove he's not fast enough to react to something he KNOWS is coming too.

Perhaps you should try and think about it, of course you'll probably just confuse yourself.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and what were these circumstances? If somebody is able to sneak up on somebody with enhanced senses there are two ways which you can do it either be too fast or have the ability to negate his senses.

If he was aware of what was happening and his senses were completely fool proof even when his attention is devoid elsewhere, perhaps. But that obviously isn't the case...
Getting hit from behind when you don't know it's coming doesn't prove a damn thing about.. well anything here.
There's been no cirsumstances, bad guys have straight up come from behind Spiderman and clobbered him before he could react to his senses.. it doesn't prove that he's not fast enough to avoid them when he knows he's in a fight. 😐
If you can't figure that out on your own then... well.. ok I guess I AM talking to the guy who thought that accurate aim was equivolent to speed. It's no wonder you have no grasp of the concepts at hand.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Of course theres no possibility that Wolverine could have known and wasnt fast enough to react.....it has to be that he didnt know. Please take my quote off your profile.

Way to avoid the question and put up the Red-herring..

I think I'll keep it there.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Where did I say catching arrows?

doh
My God, it's like trying to argue with a circus clown.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I said being pushed from behind and that also apply to being attacked from behind as well. He would have had training to help him deal with being struck from behind and landing on the floor, in ninjitus they teach how to roll on the floor if you lose your balance.

They don't teach you how to do it after being hit with a train though do they?

Originally posted by Alfheim
He was not bouncing around like a pinball, look at the first panel AGAIN. He bounced and then he started to slide along the ground. Look at it again he stopped bouncing. .

umm Yeah,,, he was. He was hitting th ground bouncing up and then Wondy was on top of him before he could recover from the initial attack... it's not hard to figure out.

Originally posted by Alfheim
In the second panel WM then punches Wolverine in the head again. How did Wolverine move from sliding on the ground on his head to then WM being able to punch him in the face?

Wolverine bounced up.... And Wonderman was following through with his initial attack...
You ARE awarwe that comic panels aren't like animation right? They act in more of a connect-the-dots process....
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Originally posted by Alfheim
1. Did he bounce into that position? No he stopped bouncing and was moving along the ground.
2. Did WM pick him off the floor and punch him, no.
3. Can Wolverine levitate. No.

So the only conclusion is that Wolverine was trying to get to his feet but wasnt fast enough to move out of the way.


According to you, even though Wolverine can clearly be seen bouncing around and even bouncing from Wondy's foot level in the second panel... but hey, if it helps you sleep at night to keep that Wolverine hate going...

I mean we all know Wonderman's leagues faster than Venom, Spiderman, Namor, Speed Demon, Omega Red's tenticles, rockets, bullets, lazers I mean Wolverine's never dealt with anything that even comes close to Wonder Man's level of speed he just isn't fast enough, where as guys like U.S. Agent and Splice are... Wolverine's just a chump. 🙄

Whatever.

This thread made me lol.

The only offense he has doesn't work and somehow he wins.

Just plain lol.

Wolverine fanboys are still making excuses?

Originally posted by Nod
This thread made me lol.

The only offense he has doesn't work and somehow he wins.

Just plain lol.

Well there's actually no proof one way or the other that Wolverine's claws won't cut Simon.

It's just as ridiculous to assume that Simon has an immaculate defense against Wolverine's claws when less dangerous weapons have hurt him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine fanboys are still making excuses?

What excuses.. what? Do you honestly believe that Simon's too fast for Wolverine to react to as well?

Points to your previous posts.

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So basically, you've got nothing.

Everything I stated was either a fact or speculation that was in retaliation to oh that's right OTHER SPECULATION....

If that helps you sleep at night.

Originally posted by jinzin
Well there's actually no proof one way or the other that Wolverine's claws won't cut Simon.

It's just as ridiculous to assume that Simon has an immaculate defense against Wolverine's claws when less dangerous weapons have hurt him.

What excuses.. what? Do you honestly believe that Simon's too fast for Wolverine to react to as well?

Yet Adamanitum has failed so that would be PIS especially when it comes to Wonder Man.

We have saw that. Now unless you can show us a scan of him resisting it and when we can show him not being effected bit it, you have nothing.

Just fanboy dreams.

Originally posted by Nod
Yet Adamanitum has failed so that would be PIS especially when it comes to Wonder Man.

Again, when has Adamantium failed to cut Wonderman?
Wonderman's never been faced with Adamantium. 😕

Originally posted by Nod
We have saw that. Now unless you can show us a scan of him resisting it and when we can show him not being effected bit it, you have nothing.

Just fanboy dreams.

Until you show some evidence of him resisting Adamantium we both have nothing. 😬

And for your information Splice's blades were never accredited as being Adamantium. 😐

Let's make this easy, how many of 10 do you see Wolverine winning?