angels are servants. i liked how the movie dogma put it. angels feel pain without the presence of god, where as humans can ignore it. angels were created and god then perfected it with humans. i dont rly see tyhe use of them i also dont understand why god didnt erase satan in ur silly little religion JIA
Originally posted by chickenlover98
angels are servants. i liked how the movie dogma put it. angels feel pain without the presence of god, where as humans can ignore it. angels were created and god then perfected it with humans. i dont rly see tyhe use of them i also dont understand why god didnt erase satan in ur silly little religion JIA
If you want to waste your time talking to JIA, go ahead. But you won't do it on this thread. JIA hasn't even posted here, as far as I can tell.
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Sorry. I was just wondering whether you thing of all Christians the way you think of JIA.
To answer your question about Satan though (assuming Satan exists of course), he has an essential role in the purpose of life...which includes a test of the reactions of individuals to evil. But that is just Mormon belief. I don't know about the rest of the Christian denominations. I wouldn't be surprised to see the beliefs are the same...but I don't know.
Originally posted by Quark_666
Sorry. I was just wondering whether you thing of all Christians the way you think of JIA.To answer your question about Satan though (assuming Satan exists of course), he has an essential role in the purpose of life...which includes a test of the reactions of individuals to evil. But that is just Mormon belief. I don't know about the rest of the Christian denominations. I wouldn't be surprised to see the beliefs are the same...but I don't know.
the idea of satan is rediculus. eternal torture for stealing say... a pencil. are you KIDDING ME. thats wwhy it seems over the top
Originally posted by chickenlover98
the idea of satan is rediculus. eternal torture for stealing say... a pencil. are you KIDDING ME. thats wwhy it seems over the top
That is simply another misunderstanding of the Christian faith, though I suppose that is a pretty understandable misunderstanding, so I'll just clarify it for you. For most Christian religions, the criteria for heaven or hell (or for a few religions, kingdoms between the two) is far less mechanical for that. Stealing a pencil...that might be a sin if you were stealing it out of hate. But I seriously don't know anybody who thinks to himself, "let's play revenge the cruel way today...I'm gonna steal that jerk's pencil...yeah, that's what happens to people who mess with me...they loose their pencils..." 🙄
To sum it up, mindset holds as much weight as action. Only a lunatic who thinks a pencil matters that much can become a sinner because of it.
Originally posted by Quark_666
That is simply another misunderstanding of the Christian faith, though I suppose that is a pretty understandable misunderstanding, so I'll just clarify it for you. For most Christian religions, the criteria for heaven or hell (or for a few religions, kingdoms between the two) is far less mechanical for that. Stealing a pencil...that might be a sin if you were stealing it out of hate. But I seriously don't know anybody who thinks to himself, "let's play revenge the cruel way today...I'm gonna steal that jerk's pencil...yeah, that's what happens to people who mess with me...they loose their pencils..." 🙄To sum it up, mindset holds as much weight as action. Only a lunatic who thinks a pencil matters that much can become a sinner because of it.
I would say that mindset or intentions are far more important then actions. Jesus said, and I paraphrase, if you think of doing a sin, you have already done the sin.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I would say that mindset or intentions are far more important then actions. Jesus said, and I paraphrase, if you think of doing a sin, you have already done the sin.
exactly why free will isnt real. if you have big brother watching, you arent free. i hate religion because of the contradictions.
also quark i hear conflicting views on this one. some say if you repent for your sins, then you can go to heave. what if i murdered 900 people and repent? am i forgiven? if so BULLSHIT
Originally posted by chickenlover98
also quark i hear conflicting views on this one. some say if you repent for your sins, then you can go to heave. what if i murdered 900 people and repent? am i forgiven? if so BULLSHIT
There is a huge difference between saying that “if you repent of your sins you will be forgiven” and saying that sins are only sins under a certain mindset. If you happen to be a lunatic who doesn’t understand when you kill 900 people, then yes, you could be forgiven. If you were normal...that depends which denomination you ask.
As for BS, well, I think some Christian denominations are BS...all denominations believe other denominations have BS (otherwise they would all be the same religion). You are correct, there are those who say that forgiveness is unconditionally granted to sinners who repent. Your classification of this fact as “a contradiction” is where your misunderstanding originates this time. The Christian religion has more denominations then I can count. There isn’t a single one of them that believes both sides of the argument simultaneously. If there were, you would be correct in your observation of the “contradiction.”
You are trying to argue against the Christian religion as a whole by taking the beliefs of one denomination and pitching it against the beliefs of another denomination. It’s like you are trying to inform the world that Christianity is incorrect just because it includes multiple denominations. It is the same mistake you have made several times now.
You might get farther if you attacked a single denomination of the Christian religion. Research it first though. I don't think you really understand the difference between any of them.