Originally posted by lord xyz
I just take the simple wiki thing as an insult.Okay, they're Nazis, but they aren't National Socialists.
It wasn't available in other forms on Wikipedia.
I suppose the simple refers to the skill of the translator not the reader.
And they called themselves National Socialist German Workers Party.
They are the National Socialists. To call them that makes sense....since that's what they are.
Originally posted by Bardock42Okay, Nazis are National Socialist. But National Socialists aren't Nazis.
It wasn't available in other forms on Wikipedia.I suppose the simple refers to the skill of the translator not the reader.
And they called themselves National Socialist German Workers Party.
They are the National Socialists. To call them that makes sense....since that's what they are.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, Nazis are National Socialist. But National Socialists aren't Nazis.
And you base that on?
"Many political parties in various contexts have referred to themselves as National Socialist parties. Because there is no clear definition of national socialism, the term has been used to mean very different things. Since the rise of German Nazism, which called itself "National Socialism", the term has been used in Europe and North America almost exclusively by political parties with racial nationalist views.
However, in other parts of the world, which had little contact with German Nazism, the term "National Socialism" is sometimes used by parties that define themselves as socialist and patriotic, without being racist. In addition, the term was also used by non-racist groups in Europe before the rise of Nazism"
Wikipedia.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I was just referring to the excellence of this as a conversation starter.Also, refferring to a Stewart Lee joke.
A bit cerebral for me today. After I got in last night from watching the rugby world cup on telly at the pub and drank at a "lock in", I couldn't sleep and came on here half cut. My head is in no state for intelligent conversation, sorry Bardock.
That's why i'm posting on KMC.
Tell me the Stewart Lee joke. I haven't heard it.
Originally posted by ZebedeeOh, he was just talking about how he was exposed to enough racism at Christmas at home where every conversation starts with "...say what you want about Hitler, but...", it's not really retellable, was a situation thing.
A bit cerebral for me today. After I got in last night from watching the rugby world cup on telly at the pub and drank at a "lock in", I couldn't sleep and came on here half cut. My head is in no state for intelligent conversation, sorry Bardock.That's why i'm posting on KMC.
Tell me the Stewart Lee joke. I haven't heard it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
However, in other parts of the world, which had little contact with German Nazism, the term "National Socialism" is sometimes used by parties that define themselves as socialist and patriotic, without being racist. In addition, the term was also used by non-racist groups in Europe before the rise of Nazism"Wikipedia.
Originally posted by lord xyz
National Socialists aren't Nazis.
Originally posted by lord xyz
he was a puppet
There's a huge difference between being a puppet and people agreeing with your rhetoric. Many, many of the companies and families you mentioned absolutely had connections to the Nazi party. Those groups poured money into Nazi coffers. But it wasn't the holocaust they planned on profiting from, it was war.
One of the things most people don't realize in regards to the holocaust, was the numerous efforts made the the Reich to export the Jews. Boat loads of them were shipped off to other countries prior to the extermination camps. What happened? They were shipped right back to Germany. The governments of the world knew full-well how the Nazi party felt about Jews, but turned they away in spite of it. This is where all the Jewish-guilt came from when they decided to fu*k up the world and establish Israel.
As for National Socialism, it represents a centralized authoritarian, military state where, what we would call big buisness, is owned and controlled by the government...all the while operating on the assumption that one race is morally, physically and intellectually superior to all others. Nazism was concieved by a small group of fanatical anti-semites who ranged from economists to former army officers. When Hitler came along in 1920, he reformed the party, renamed it and slowly started to grow it. In the truest sense, nazis aren't traditional socialists.
There are nationalists and there are socialists. But national socialists are Nazis and Nazis are national socialists.
Originally posted by Devil King
There's a huge difference between being a puppet and people agreeing with your rhetoric. Many, many of the companies and families you mentioned absolutely had connections to the Nazi party. Those groups poured money into Nazi coffers. But it wasn't the holocaust they planned on profiting from, it was war.One of the things most people don't realize in regards to the holocaust, was the numerous efforts made the the Reich to export the Jews. Boat loads of them were shipped off to other countries prior to the extermination camps. What happened? They were shipped right back to Germany. The governments of the world knew full-well how the Nazi party felt about Jews, but turned they away in spite of it. This is where all the Jewish-guilt came from when they decided to fu*k up the world and establish Israel.
As for National Socialism, it represents a centralized authoritarian, military state where, what we would call big buisness, is owned and controlled by the government...all the while operating on the assumption that one race is morally, physically and intellectually superior to all others. Nazism was concieved by a small group of fanatical anti-semites who ranged from economists to former army officers. When Hitler came along in 1920, he reformed the party, renamed it and slowly started to grow it. In the truest sense, nazis aren't traditional socialists.
There are nationalists and there are socialists. But national socialists are Nazis and Nazis are national socialists.
What's the holocaust all about Devil King?
Originally posted by Devil KingActually, the idea of Israel came before WW1, during the time of the Ottoman Empire. Also, them profiting from the War is still bad, and where did the money from the dead people go?
There's a huge difference between being a puppet and people agreeing with your rhetoric. Many, many of the companies and families you mentioned absolutely had connections to the Nazi party. Those groups poured money into Nazi coffers. But it wasn't the holocaust they planned on profiting from, it was war.One of the things most people don't realize in regards to the holocaust, was the numerous efforts made the the Reich to export the Jews. Boat loads of them were shipped off to other countries prior to the extermination camps. What happened? They were shipped right back to Germany. The governments of the world knew full-well how the Nazi party felt about Jews, but turned they away in spite of it. This is where all the Jewish-guilt came from when they decided to fu*k up the world and establish Israel.
As for National Socialism, it represents a centralized authoritarian, military state where, what we would call big buisness, is owned and controlled by the government...all the while operating on the assumption that one race is morally, physically and intellectually superior to all others. Nazism was concieved by a small group of fanatical anti-semites who ranged from economists to former army officers. When Hitler came along in 1920, he reformed the party, renamed it and slowly started to grow it. In the truest sense, nazis aren't traditional socialists.
There are nationalists and there are socialists. But national socialists are Nazis and Nazis are national socialists.