Originally posted by meep-meep
Neither does Gambit
I know that. Notice how i didnt mention Gambit being only human.
Originally posted by meep-meep
So DD can dodge (which likely takes the same if not more energy than throwing) longer than Gambit can aim and throw?
For DD to dodge 1-3 cards at a time would take less effort than for Gambit to throw the cards with the same accuracy, spped, and distance. Gambits arm would get tired way before DD gets tired of dodging.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I know that. Notice how i didnt mention Gambit being only human.
Yes you didn't mention it.
Originally posted by jrodslam
For DD to dodge 1-3 cards at a time would take less effort than for Gambit to throw the cards with the same accuracy, spped, and distance. Gambits arm would get tired way before DD gets tired of dodging.
Doing flips, reacting to things being thrown at you takes a whole lot of acrobatic skill and concentration. If you have ever played doge ball you know what I mean. Sure throwing takes effort but the effort to dodge an expert marksman is very difficult. More difficult than the energy output of the marksman.
Look I can tell that the reasons I gave for Gambit wininng aren't compatible with your reasoning, and vice verse. Maybe we should just stop.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Yes you didn't mention it.
But you decided tou mention DD being only human? Why? No matter.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Doing flips, reacting to things being thrown at you takes a whole lot of acrobatic skill and concentration. If you have ever played doge ball you know what I mean. Sure throwing takes effort but the effort to dodge an expert marksman is very difficult. More difficult than the energy output of the marksman.
Thing is, DD doesnt have to react to the object being thrown while already in air. He reacts as its being thrown or before it gets thrown. Thats less concentration on his part its more instinctive. In dodge ball, if you knew where, when the ball is going to end up, its would be much easier for you to dodge. Youd have to rely purely on your reflexes. Daredevil always has a heads up in that area. However, throwing the ball would become more tireing. The ball seems heavier and you dont throw weith the same force as you did 10 minutes ago. You accuracy will be off as well giving your opponent a easier chance to dodge.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Look I can tell that the reasons I gave for Gambit wininng aren't compatible with your reasoning, and vice verse. Maybe we should just stop.
Maybe.
Originally posted by jrodslam
But you decided tou mention DD being only human? Why? No matter.
He is only human. But I also stated that he is extremely agile and quick. But your right no matter.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Thing is, DD doesnt have to react to the object being thrown while already in air. He reacts as its being thrown or before it gets thrown. Thats less concentration on his part its more instinctive. In dodge ball, if you knew where, when the ball is going to end up, its would be much easier for you to dodge. Youd have to rely purely on your reflexes. Daredevil always has a heads up in that area. However, throwing the ball would become more tireing. The ball seems heavier and you dont throw weith the same force as you did 10 minutes ago. You accuracy will be off as well giving your opponent a easier chance to dodge.Maybe.
And being an expert marksman Gambit would know the potential next move of DD making his job easier as well. Gambit is a physically enhanced mutant afterall, I doubt he's going to be tiring anytime soon.
Originally posted by meep-meep
And being an expert marksman Gambit would know the potential next move of DD making his job easier as well.
Please enlighten me on how so. If DD didnt have his senses, id agree with that because Daredevil would be reacting to what has already taken place. Gambit would try to lead DD into getting tagged. However, Daredevil reacts while the action takes place or before it takes place. It would be impossible for him to know DD's next move when DD bases his movements off what Gambit does at the moment instead of after.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Gambit is a physically enhanced mutant afterall, I doubt he's going to be tiring anytime soon.
I agree. But its not like Gambit has to pull a trigger. Every throw needs to be as good as the last one. Once he runs out of cards, hed have to find a replacement. Plus hed have to worry about DD going on the attack as well.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Please enlighten me on how so. If DD didnt have his senses, id agree with that because Daredevil would be reacting to what has already taken place. Gambit would try to lead DD into getting tagged. However, Daredevil reacts while the action takes place or before it takes place. It would be impossible for him to know DD's next move when DD bases his movements off what Gambit does at the moment instead of after.
Snipers or hunters try to picture where a target is going to move next. Sorry but Gambit is a great shot. To say he can't strategize is a little naive. But I suppose you have a point in that DD's hearing is that good to dodge gambit's attacks. Still he can't dodge them all. Basically what this comes down to is DD's relfexes versus Gambit's. And seeing as how DD uses more energy reacting on them I still have to go with Gambit.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I agree. But its not like Gambit has to pull a trigger. Every throw needs to be as good as the last one. Once he runs out of cards, hed have to find a replacement. Plus hed have to worry about DD going on the attack as well.
And like I said Gambit has enhanced physical reflexes and I assume endurance. Gambit's evnergy output is less than DD's. Does Gambit only carry one deck with him? That would be dumb if he did but who knows?
Originally posted by meep-meep
Snipers or hunters try to picture where a target is going to move next. Sorry but Gambit is a great shot. To say he can't strategize is a little naive. But I suppose you have a point in that DD's hearing is that good to dodge gambit's attacks. Still he can't dodge them all. Basically what this comes down to is DD's relfexes versus Gambit's. And seeing as how DD uses more energy reacting on them I still have to go with Gambit.
Yes snipers do, but what good are they when their target knows they being aimed at and knows when they are going to fire thus avoiding with relative ease? Not that useful. I dont see why Daredevil cant dodge all Gambits projectiles. Gang members with automatics empty clips and still hit nothing. DD has to move extra fast and exert extra energy to dodge rapid fire like that. Hes dodged minigun fire. Gambit doesnt throw with the speed for DD to get tagged within a close proximity of the card to do damage. How would ot come down to DD's reflexes vs Gambit's? Do you meant his throwing reflexes? I still dont think DD uses more energy than Gambit. How far can Gambit throw a card anyways?
Originally posted by meep-meep
And like I said Gambit has enhanced physical reflexes and I assume endurance. Gambit's evnergy output is less than DD's. Does Gambit only carry one deck with him? That would be dumb if he did but who knows?
Does Gambit have enhanced reflexes and endurance? I though it was just peak human. Either way, his reflexes couldnt be near as good as DD's.
Originally posted by jrodslam
To each their own. I still think DD takes a slight majority. Gambit CAN keep the staff charged, but he doesnt normally do it in combat. I wouldnt count on him doing it vs DD.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Gambit doesn't usually go all out(charging staff,speedblitz throw, clothes charging) as he doesn't like to kill people. However, Gambit will know that Daredevil is no joke and Gambit will know to bring his "A" game. Daredevil isn't some random schmoe and I doubt Gambit will play around like he does with Wolverine.
I agree completly. If Gambit had a unlimited amount of things to throw, he may get lucky and tag DD with something. However, DD wont keep his distance. Hed be trying to get in close where he would have a better advantage. Gambit isnt AS dood as DD in h2h combat, so i think his goal would be to keep DD at bay, but is also good enough to put up a good fight if DD gets in close. Thats only why i give DD the slight majority of wins here.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I agree completly. If Gambit had a unlimited amount of things to throw, he may get lucky and tag DD with something. However, DD wont keep his distance. Hed be trying to get in close where he would have a better advantage. Gambit isnt AS dood as DD in h2h combat, so i think his goal would be to keep DD at bay, but is also good enough to put up a good fight if DD gets in close. Thats only why i give DD the slight majority of wins here.
DD's fast...but i dont get why people think speed, agility, and reflex amount to dodging EXPLOSIONS. his endurance isnt nearly high enough to survive any of the explosions gambit can cause, and he doesnt have superspeed, so he cant "dodge" the explosion either... he's F*CKed
Thats what I gather. I mean there isn't a doubt that DD could dodge lots of the projectiles thrown by Gambit. The real weapon isn't the card or whatever but the explosion that ensues. All it takes is one tag, whether it be a glancing or direct hit, and DD is in trouble.
Also, Gambit isn't on the same level of H2H fighting as DD. Gambit(without charging anything) with only his staff and skills vs DD with his own weapons and skills wouldn't look good for Gambit.