Gambit vs DareDevil

Originally posted by Kontraz
DD's fast...but i dont get why people think speed, agility, and reflex amount to dodging EXPLOSIONS. his endurance isnt nearly high enough to survive any of the explosions gambit can cause, and he doesnt have superspeed, so he cant "dodge" the explosion either... he's F*CKed

I think you may have missed my point. Due to DD's senses, refelexes and all, hed be very well capable of dodging the explosions. Why? Because like ive said before, Daredevil would be able to "hear" the charge in the object to know when it will explode. That alone gives him an extra edge to get out of the way before it can explode near him. Its not like Gambit is going to charge the objects to where they destroy the whole block. Nor do they follow him as he moves. Ive also explained how DD has been in the close proximity of many things exploding such as cars, helicopters, grenades etc. He indeed has the endurance to survive Gambits explosions. Its not like hed be taking the full breunt of them if hes too close anyways. DD's suit is pretty durable also.

DD takes this via super reflexes, thus knowing his opponets' moves before it even happens. 😉

but i still dont think DD can beat wolvie 😛

Originally posted by jrodslam
I think you may have missed my point. Due to DD's senses, refelexes and all, hed be very well capable of dodging the explosions. Why? Because like ive said before, Daredevil would be able to "hear" the charge in the object to know when it will explode. That alone gives him an extra edge to get out of the way before it can explode near him. Its not like Gambit is going to charge the objects to where they destroy the whole block. Nor do they follow him as he moves. Ive also explained how DD has been in the close proximity of many things exploding such as cars, helicopters, grenades etc. He indeed has the endurance to survive Gambits explosions. Its not like hed be taking the full breunt of them if hes too close anyways. DD's suit is pretty durable also.

1) gambit has shown that HE controls when the object will explode, not by charging to an extent, but by simply making it explode when he wants it to

2) gambit might not be quite as accurate as bullseye, but hes PRETTY DAMN ACCURATE, and when its going with explosions, you dont have to be nearly as accurate as he is to make DD a puddle a of goo

3) if it comes down to it, he can kick his ass with his staff. If he charges that b*tch, he is able to easily maneuver it much faster than bullets... DD's endurance wouldnt allow him to take too many hits from that (1 or 2 ought to due him in) and he wont be able to dodge forever.

4) If it looks like DD will win by some sort of miracle (i dont see it happening at all), the guy's pretty much completely covered by his suit. all gambit has to do is charge the thing, and DD goes KABOOM. sure, it'd probably take out gambit as well, but it still doesnt give DD the win

This is a tough one indeed.

I'm going to have to give this one to Gambit, however: 6/10.

Gambit is no slouch in the agility department, and could give DD a run for his money in the melee area as well. Add in his destructive mutant abilities, and he has the necessary skills to take out DD.

Originally posted by Kontraz
1) gambit has shown that HE controls when the object will explode, not by charging to an extent, but by simply making it explode when he wants it to

2) gambit might not be quite as accurate as bullseye, but hes PRETTY DAMN ACCURATE, and when its going with explosions, you dont have to be nearly as accurate as he is to make DD a puddle a of goo

3) if it comes down to it, he can kick his ass with his staff. If he charges that b*tch, he is able to easily maneuver it much faster than bullets... DD's endurance wouldnt allow him to take too many hits from that (1 or 2 ought to due him in) and he wont be able to dodge forever.

4) If it looks like DD will win by some sort of miracle (i dont see it happening at all), the guy's pretty much completely covered by his suit. all gambit has to do is charge the thing, and DD goes KABOOM. sure, it'd probably take out gambit as well, but it still doesnt give DD the win

1.) Gambit cant make something explode whenever he wants to. He has to lace the object with his biokinetic energy FIRST. Whatever he throws will be already charged. Gambit then allows it to explode at will. Daredevil can feel/hear the charged object before it even leaves Gambits hand as well as know when hes going to throw it.

2.) Like ive already stated a few times before, just any type of explosion doesnt disrupt Daredevil. Unless Gambit is charging things that would destroy half a block, Daredevil wouldnt be messed up much from the explosions. Daredevil dodges Bullseye with relative ease. Considering Gambit isnt as good as Bullseye when it comes to accuracy, Daredevil would dodge his projectives better than he would dodge Bullseye's. Pure logic.

3.) Gambit is going to kick DD's ass with his charged staff? You make is seem as if Gambit has it easy. Daredevil has the use of his billy clubs and would be able to block most or all of Gambits attacks. Gambit isnt the only one who deflects bullets. Daredevil has peak human endurance as well Gambit. What makes you think hed tire before Gambit? And what makes you think DD wont go on the offensive? If it comes down to h2h(which it would if/when DD gets close), i dont think Gambit can hang with DD in that department. Im not saying hes a slouch, but Daredevil is just more advanced in that department.

4.) I dont see why it would be a miracle for DD to win. It would be pretty easy for him to dodge Gambit's projectiles and close in on the distance between the two. Hes a better h2h combatant than Gambit. Is that Gambits only chance for victory is to charge DD's suit and kill them both? Some victory. 😬

Originally posted by Kontraz
4) If it looks like DD will win by some sort of miracle (i dont see it happening at all), the guy's pretty much completely covered by his suit. all gambit has to do is charge the thing, and DD goes KABOOM. sure, it'd probably take out gambit as well, but it still doesnt give DD the win

Originally posted by jrodslam
1.) Gambit cant make something explode whenever he wants to. He has to lace the object with his biokinetic energy FIRST. Whatever he throws will be already charged. Gambit then allows it to explode at will. Daredevil can feel/hear the charged object before it even leaves Gambits hand as well as know when hes going to throw it.

2.) Like ive already stated a few times before, just any type of explosion doesnt disrupt Daredevil. Unless Gambit is charging things that would destroy half a block, Daredevil wouldnt be messed up much from the explosions. Daredevil dodges Bullseye with relative ease. Considering Gambit isnt as good as Bullseye when it comes to accuracy, Daredevil would dodge his projectives better than he would dodge Bullseye's. Pure logic.

3.) Gambit is going to kick DD's ass with his charged staff? You make is seem as if Gambit has it easy. Daredevil has the use of his billy clubs and would be able to block most or all of Gambits attacks. Gambit isnt the only one who deflects bullets. Daredevil has peak human endurance as well Gambit. What makes you think hed tire before Gambit? And what makes you think DD wont go on the offensive? If it comes down to h2h(which it would if/when DD gets close), i dont think Gambit can hang with DD in that department. Im not saying hes a slouch, but Daredevil is just more advanced in that department.

4.) I dont see why it would be a miracle for DD to win. It would be pretty easy for him to dodge Gambit's projectiles and close in on the distance between the two. Hes a better h2h combatant than Gambit. Is that Gambits only chance for victory is to charge DD's suit and kill them both? Some victory. 😬

2.Gambit is isanely close to Bullseye and Hawkeye when he gets serious. Hitting a half millimeter object and a person with cards thrown from the same hand from 50 feet away faster than thought puts him up there.

3. If Gambit was fighting Daredevil hand to hand with no powers then Daredevil would win, but he isn't. If Daredevil blocks a staff attack, he is going to explode.

4.It would actually be harder for Daredevil to win for the same reason you think Gambit would have a difficult time winning. Daredevil has ONE way of winning. He can only depend on his hand to hand superiority to beat Gambit. Even then, getting in close on Gambit is just as risky as staying back from him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
1.) Gambit cant make something explode whenever he wants to. He has to lace the object with his biokinetic energy FIRST. Whatever he throws will be already charged. Gambit then allows it to explode at will. Daredevil can feel/hear the charged object before it even leaves Gambits hand as well as know when hes going to throw it.

2.) Like ive already stated a few times before, just any type of explosion doesnt disrupt Daredevil. Unless Gambit is charging things that would destroy half a block, Daredevil wouldnt be messed up much from the explosions. Daredevil dodges Bullseye with relative ease. Considering Gambit isnt as good as Bullseye when it comes to accuracy, Daredevil would dodge his projectives better than he would dodge Bullseye's. Pure logic.

3.) Gambit is going to kick DD's ass with his charged staff? You make is seem as if Gambit has it easy. Daredevil has the use of his billy clubs and would be able to block most or all of Gambits attacks. Gambit isnt the only one who deflects bullets. Daredevil has peak human endurance as well Gambit. What makes you think hed tire before Gambit? And what makes you think DD wont go on the offensive? If it comes down to h2h(which it would if/when DD gets close), i dont think Gambit can hang with DD in that department. Im not saying hes a slouch, but Daredevil is just more advanced in that department.

4.) I dont see why it would be a miracle for DD to win. It would be pretty easy for him to dodge Gambit's projectiles and close in on the distance between the two. Hes a better h2h combatant than Gambit. Is that Gambits only chance for victory is to charge DD's suit and kill them both? Some victory. 😬

daredevil can survive gambit's explosions? like i said, gambit decides POST charging the object... he has shown that he can do this, its not due to him charging it before hand (i think it used to be, but then claremont had his way, im pretty sure, and added his wonderful upgrades that everyone hates him for...) its him simply deciding, post throw, when they blow up. the charge simply determines how large of an explosion it is.

you are making decent points, but you arent taking all of it at once. no, gambit isnt good enough to tag dd with a card, and no, gambit probably wont charge a card to the point that it'll blow up a city block, but on average, his explosions are about the size of a car (not the car exploding, just the size it encompasses). but when he throws the card fast enough and accurate enough, with enough charge for the explosion to be the size of a car, and DD pulls a nice little matrix move, with the card flying only 3 feet or so away from his body (note: DD DOES NOT have super speed, and given the speed of the cards, he will not be too far away when he dodges) when the card explodes, DD will 9/10 be WELL within the blast range. so, he has endurance. good for him. he still gets hurt,which slows him down, and gambit's got a full deck... GAME OVER

Originally posted by Kontraz
daredevil can survive gambit's explosions? like i said, gambit decides POST charging the object... he has shown that he can do this, its not due to him charging it before hand (i think it used to be, but then claremont had his way, im pretty sure, and added his wonderful upgrades that everyone hates him for...) its him simply deciding, post throw, when they blow up. the charge simply determines how large of an explosion it is.

If DD takes the full brunt of the explosion, i have no doubts that it would ko him. You say Gambit decides "POST" charging the object? Thats the same thing ive been saying. He has to charge the object first. Daredevil would know when Gambits about to throw the object, so hed always be able to get a head start on dodging. He may didge further awya to where to object wouldnt reach. He may move in closer to where Gambit has to go into a defensive position.

Originally posted by Kontraz
but when he throws the card fast enough and accurate enough, with enough charge for the explosion to be the size of a car, and DD pulls a nice little matrix move, with the card flying only 3 feet or so away from his body (note: DD DOES NOT have super speed, and given the speed of the cards, he will not be too far away when he dodges) when the card explodes, DD will 9/10 be WELL within the blast range. so, he has endurance. good for him. he still gets hurt,which slows him down, and gambit's got a full deck... GAME OVER

Like ive said, Daredevil has been close to explosions before and hasnt been phazed by them such as cars, helicopters etc. DD amy not have Super Speed, but he has peak human speed and advanced reflexes. DD getting hurt doesnt always slow him down. His suit is kinda durable and allows him top take punishment without slowing down. Gambit may have a full deck. Hell, he may even have 2 full decks, but once DD gets in close, its a wrap for Remy.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It wouldn't take out Gambit too. He has charged people clothes/accessories before and the explosion didn't affect him. He is frequently is close proximity to his explosions and has never been hurt by them. One card exploded right in front of his face and blinded him but he still wasn't actually hurt. He appears to be immune to his own power.

I dont think hes immune to it at all.

Originally posted by StyleTime
1.That is what he meant.

Thats what ive been saying.

Originally posted by StyleTime
2.Gambit is isanely close to Bullseye and Hawkeye when he gets serious. Hitting a half millimeter object and a person with cards thrown from the same hand from 50 feet away faster than thought puts him up there.

Bullseye has thrown a toothpick from 100 YARDS through a window and killed someone. Gambit isnt close to Bullseye at all.

Originally posted by StyleTime
3. If Gambit was fighting Daredevil hand to hand with no powers then Daredevil would win, but he isn't. If Daredevil blocks a staff attack, he is going to explode.

Why would DD block the staff with his body? Thats why he has 2 billy clubs. that bounce off wall, cars, ground etc. He also used it to block sometimes. He can also just dodge Gambits attacks. Plus IF DD were to get hit, how would he explode? Wouldnt the staff explode too with Gambit holding it? I would understand him using it as an energy type stun. Im not sure im getting waht youre saying.

Originally posted by StyleTime
4.It would actually be harder for Daredevil to win for the same reason you think Gambit would have a difficult time winning. Daredevil has ONE way of winning. He can only depend on his hand to hand superiority to beat Gambit. Even then, getting in close on Gambit is just as risky as staying back from him.

Getting close would be more risky for Gambit that it would be for DD.

gambit not immune to his own power at all. he freaken lsot his sight for a while becuase one of his card blow up in front of him. actauly due to gmabtis eye his own power can be very dnagerous to him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If DD takes the full brunt of the explosion, i have no doubts that it would ko him. You say Gambit decides "POST" charging the object? Thats the same thing ive been saying. He has to charge the object first. Daredevil would know when Gambits about to throw the object, so hed always be able to get a head start on dodging. He may didge further awya to where to object wouldnt reach. He may move in closer to where Gambit has to go into a defensive position.

Like ive said, Daredevil has been close to explosions before and hasnt been phazed by them such as cars, helicopters etc. DD amy not have Super Speed, but he has peak human speed and advanced reflexes. DD getting hurt doesnt always slow him down. His suit is kinda durable and allows him top take punishment without slowing down. Gambit may have a full deck. Hell, he may even have 2 full decks, but once DD gets in close, its a wrap for Remy.

give me an example where a grenade, car, etc blew up just feet away from DD and he was UNINJURED. because if you cant, DD has no way at all of completely avoiding multiple explosions, and the round is over pretty quickly

The grenade was thrown by Bullseye and yet DD was able to twist in the air to avoid the direct contact. DD was only stunned for a couple of seconds. It just doesnt get any more accurate than Bullseye.

I don't have the scan, but I've seen it before...Gambit can indeed charge objects without actually touching them. As long as he is concentrating enough on what he wants to charge, the object will charge.

The scan is around here on KMC somewhere.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think hes immune to it at all.

Bullseye has thrown a toothpick from 100 YARDS through a window and killed someone. Gambit isnt close to Bullseye at all.

Why would DD block the staff with his body? Thats why he has 2 billy clubs. that bounce off wall, cars, ground etc. He also used it to block sometimes. He can also just dodge Gambits attacks. Plus IF DD were to get hit, how would he explode? Wouldnt the staff explode too with Gambit holding it? I would understand him using it as an energy type stun. Im not sure im getting waht youre saying.

Getting close would be more risky for Gambit that it would be for DD.

Nice comeback my friend. Bullseye has Gambit beat in accuracy. However, Gambit threw 3 cards simultaneously which ALL hit their target. This throw was also faster than thought. Daredevil will have a difficult time dealing with this.

I didn't say with his body. Blocking at all wouldn't be wise. No way can he dodge all of Gambit's attacks. Gambit is at the very least as quick and agile as Daredevil is. Also, Gambit does not have to actually combust his staff to release energy from it.

Gambit seriously seems immune to his power. Look. He uses his staff on a Wolverine android and is unharmed. Can't say the same for the droid.

Originally posted by capt it up
gambit not immune to his own power at all. he freaken lsot his sight for a while becuase one of his card blow up in front of him. actauly due to gmabtis eye his own power can be very dnagerous to him.

Look at my above pic. Gambit is never hurt by his own blasts.

metalmanx, where have you been man?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't have the scan, but I've seen it before...Gambit can indeed charge objects without actually touching them. As long as he is concentrating enough on what he wants to charge, the object will charge.

The scan is around here on KMC somewhere.

I thought that he only had that power for a little bit. I thought he had that power taken away from him and he has to touch things now. If he still had it, it would defeat the whole purpose of the cards.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The grenade was thrown by Bullseye and yet DD was able to twist in the air to avoid the direct contact. DD was only stunned for a couple of seconds. It just doesnt get any more accurate than Bullseye.

You have a good point but did Bullseye throw multiple grenades directly at DD one after another in extremely quick succession? My point isn't that DD couldn't dodge some of Gambit's cards. He definitely can. I doubt he can dodge 52 of them, though.

Also, I'm going to question the whole Bullseye throwing a toothpick one hundred yards, through a car window, then killing the occupant of the car. Does Bullseye have some degree of superhuman strength and speed? Cause if he doesn't there is no way I can see him doing this, no matter how good of a shot he is. Even if it did happen I suspect that the writer and artist just wanted to do something "cool" without really understanding Bullseyes potential. If Bullseye had this sort of ability DD would have died long ago.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Why has he never been hurt by his own explosions? If he is not immune, then he has become quite adept adept at escaping the effects of them. He should be able to do it while fighting Daredevil.

Nice comeback my friend. Bullseye has Gambit beat in accuracy. However, Gambit threw 3 cards simultaneously which ALL hit their target. This throw was also faster than thought. Daredevil will have a difficult time dealing with this.

I didn't say with his body. Blocking at all wouldn't be wise. No way can he dodge all of Gambit's attacks. Gambit is at the very least as quick and agile as Daredevil is. Also, Gambit does not have to actually combust his staff to release energy from it.

Gambit seriously seems immune to his power. Look. He uses his staff on a Wolverine android and is unharmed. Can't say the same for the droid.

I already said he was blinded by the card. I said he wasn't actually HURT by the card.

Look at my above pic. Gambit is never hurt by his own blasts.

I dont know why hes never been hurt by his explosions besides the eye incident. I would agree that he escaped the effects when they are thrown.

Gambit throwing cards at the same time wouldnt be anything new to DD. Hes used to avoiding multiple attaks. Like ive said, Gambit cant throw with the speed and power of Bullseye. Daredevil would have an easier time dodging Remy. The multiple explosions would cause a problem if DD didnt know where they were coming and going. However he does. That gives him enough time to get clear.

If Daredevil is fighting at his full potential, hes very well capable of dodging every attack. Gambit may be as agile and as quick but like ive said in other debates, hed always be a step ahead of Gambit. Gambit may have the athletic ability to keep up with DD, but he doesnt have the combat ability to.

In the pic you posted, i looks as if Gambit didnt charge the staff at all. He charged and threw the card and it got stuck in the droids body. He then used the staff to shove the card into the body more. Also in the pic, the card was never detonated, so Gambit didnt really take a blast.

When Gambit was blinded by the card, it hurt.

I think DareDevil would take this, if he can handle Bullseye, he can handle Gambit. DareDevil is badass.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Gambit throwing cards at the same time wouldnt be anything new to DD. Hes used to avoiding multiple attaks. Like ive said, Gambit cant throw with the speed and power of Bullseye. Daredevil would have an easier time dodging Remy. The multiple explosions would cause a problem if DD didnt know where they were coming and going. However he does. That gives him enough time to get clear.

If Daredevil is fighting at his full potential, hes very well capable of dodging every attack. Gambit may be as agile and as quick but like ive said in other debates, hed always be a step ahead of Gambit. Gambit may have the athletic ability to keep up with DD, but he doesnt have the combat ability to.

In the pic you posted, i looks as if Gambit didnt charge the staff at all. He charged and threw the card and it got stuck in the droids body. He then used the staff to shove the card into the body more. Also in the pic, the card was never detonated, so Gambit didnt really take a blast.

When Gambit was blinded by the card, it hurt.

Those were different robots.

He said it burned. I'm sure your eyes do burn when you are blinded by a huge flash of light.