Gambit vs DareDevil

Originally posted by Kontraz
its not a strength issue... gambit converts all of the objects potential energy to kinetic. basically, he makes every molecule in the object move as fast as it possibly can.... resulting in the object moving insanely fast, then exploding

edit: which is how he can move his staff as fast and fluidly as he does without being nearly that fast naturally.

Originally posted by capt it up
true but I thinking bull eye has some sort of power lol.

Originally posted by Accel
Bullseye is uber.

Read my sig to find out how.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The red marks werent from ash. It was from the card blowing up in his face. The red marks were the burn marks from the energy explosion.

Gambit had his powers back issues before. I assume if he got his powers back, his immunity should come with them as well. 😬

Thats like Iceman losing his powers and gettng them back, but being susceptible to the cold.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Note: Daredevil mainly uses his radar to dodge projectiles like bullets and such. Bullseye's throwing speed is like that. DD mentions that anyone else wouldnt be able to move fast enough to avoid them.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Gambit had his powers back issues before. I assume if he got his powers back, his immunity should come with them as well. 😬

Thats like Iceman losing his powers and gettng them back, but being susceptible to the cold.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Dodging those is impressive, but Bullseye didn't throw anything with an area of effect. Gambit can throw faster than a normal can dodge too....with poker chips.....while being shot at.

Thats not really impressive. Gambit first threw the chip less that 3 feet away. The second time, he hit behind the guy then came out and threw it. Once again he was only about 5 feet away from the guy shooting blindly with the gun. They werent trying to dodge, they were just standing there.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I thought we established that Gambit may just be adept at escaping his power's effects. The reason I put "immunity" in quotes was because I didn't mean he was neccessarily physically invunerable to his own powers. It's reasonable that he would screw up after being rusty with his abilities. Of course, the writers could have just wanted to make a story where he is blind and ignored his "immunity".(Much like they ignore his abilities when he fights Wolverine)

I agree that he woujld be adept at escaping his power's effects. Why? Because hes not immune to them. Even in the scan you showed with the robot, it was clear that Gambit stood a nice distance away with his staff. He didnt want to feel the effects of the card blowing up.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats not really impressive. Gambit first threw the chip less that 3 feet away. The second time, he hit behind the guy then came out and threw it. Once again he was only about 5 feet away from the guy shooting blindly with the gun. They werent trying to dodge, they were just standing there.

I agree that he woujld be adept at escaping his power's effects. Why? Because hes not immune to them. Even in the scan you showed with the robot, it was clear that Gambit stood a nice distance away with his staff. He didnt want to feel the effects of the card blowing up.

I am fine saying Gambit can escape his power. Although, the robot wasn't any farther away than the blinding card he threw.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Daredevil doesn't much, if any, farther away than these guys were. I only showed these because Daredevil said any [b]normal man can't dodge Bullseye's stuff. Bullseye was also throwing bowling pins whereas Gambit used poker chips. That should even out the minor difference in distances between Gambit and Bullseye's targets.

I am fine saying Gambit can escape his power. Although, the robot wasn't any farther away than the blinding card he threw. [/B]

The only reason Daredevil is able to dodge Bullseye so well is because of the radar sense. If daredevil didnt have that, he would have been toast a long time ago. Because Gambit doesnt throw with the spped and accuracy of Bullseye, it only right to assume that Daredevil would dodge Gambit's projectiles alot easier than Bullseye's.

I do agree with Gambit being able to escape his own power. But i dontthink he agree on the reasons for him doing so. The robot appeared to be a few feet furter that the card Gambit was HOLDING. He never got to throw the card that blew up. It blew up in his face while he was still holding it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The only reason Daredevil is able to dodge Bullseye so well is because of the radar sense. If daredevil didnt have that, he would have been toast a long time ago. Because Gambit doesnt throw with the spped and accuracy of Bullseye, it only right to assume that Daredevil would dodge Gambit's projectiles alot easier than Bullseye's.

I do agree with Gambit being able to escape his own power. But i dontthink he agree on the reasons for him doing so. The robot appeared to be a few feet furter that the card Gambit was HOLDING. He never got to throw the card that blew up. It blew up in his face while he was still holding it.

Ok.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The only reason Daredevil is able to dodge Bullseye so well is because of the radar sense. If daredevil didnt have that, he would have been toast a long time ago. Because Gambit doesnt throw with the spped and accuracy of Bullseye, it only right to assume that Daredevil would dodge Gambit's projectiles alot easier than Bullseye's.

I do agree with Gambit being able to escape his own power. But i dontthink he agree on the reasons for him doing so. The robot appeared to be a few feet furter that the card Gambit was HOLDING. He never got to throw the card that blew up. It blew up in his face while he was still holding it.

gambit doesnt throw as accurate, but he does throw with more speed. his power charges the molecules and transfers all of its potential energy into kinetic. basically, he makes the object move as fast as physically possible without actually exploding.... then surpasses even that.

Originally posted by StyleTime
If Bullseye had been throwing multiple explosives at the range, he should have hit Daredevil. I am not saying Gambit is totally as accurate as Bullseye, BUT at less than 50 feet away, the differences in their accuracy will be negligible. Gambit is accurate to the millimeter under 50 ft and throws faster than someone without extra senses can react at that range. Daredevil will dodge some of the cards but they will catch up to him after a few just like if Bullseye had been throwing explosives instead of bowling pins.

Ok.

If Bullseye would have been throwing multiple explosives, Daredevil would have figured out a different way to dodge. The whole senario would have been different. Most superheroes who throw things as a specialty or have good aim, can hit someone without extra senses faster than they can react. Captain America, Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Bullseye, Gambit etc. Daredevil would dodge most of the cards Gambit would throw at him. You make it seem as if hes just going to be dodging all fight. Much like Bullseye, Darredevil would dodge Gambit's projectiles and get close to where his opponent is at a disadvantage.

Originally posted by Kontraz
gambit doesnt throw as accurate, but he does throw with more speed. his power charges the molecules and transfers all of its potential energy into kinetic. basically, he makes the object move as fast as physically possible without actually exploding.... then surpasses even that.

Gambit throws with more spped that Bullseye? ❌
Bullseye throws with more speed, power and accuracy than Gambit does.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If Bullseye would have been throwing multiple explosives, Daredevil would have figured out a different way to dodge. The whole senario would have been different. Most superheroes who throw things as a specialty or have good aim, can hit someone without extra senses faster than they can react. Captain America, Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Bullseye, Gambit etc. Daredevil would dodge most of the cards Gambit would throw at him. You make it seem as if hes just going to be dodging all fight. Much like Bullseye, Darredevil would dodge Gambit's projectiles and get close to where his opponent is at a disadvantage.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Getting close to Gambit will be far more dangerous than gettign close to Bullseye. Can Bullseye do [b]anything to someone like Daredevil in straight up hand to hand? Gambit is still going to be dangerous up close due to his staff, charging ability, and fighting skills. Daredevil may not be dodging cards the whole fight but he will have to fight counter offensively. He doesn't have the firepower to mount an offense at range and he will need to be wary of Gambit's firepower even up close. I'm not saying Daredevil can't attack at all, but he will pretty much be limited to dodging/counterattacking. [/B]

I agree fully.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Getting close to Gambit will be far more dangerous than gettign close to Bullseye. Can Bullseye do [b]anything to someone like Daredevil in straight up hand to hand? Gambit is still going to be dangerous up close due to his staff, charging ability, and fighting skills. Daredevil may not be dodging cards the whole fight but he will have to fight counter offensively. He doesn't have the firepower to mount an offense at range and he will need to be wary of Gambit's firepower even up close. I'm not saying Daredevil can't attack at all, but he will pretty much be limited to dodging/counterattacking. [/B]

Getting close to Gambit wouldnt be more dangerous than getting close to Bullseye for the simple fact that Gambit woujldnt risk charging DD's suit considering hes not immune to the effects of the explosion. Secondly, you ask can Bullseye do anything to Daredevil in straight up h2h? Bullseye is an excellent h2h combatant. Plus hes durable as hell. Bullseye may very well be better than Gambit at h2h combat.
Gambit having his staff and charging ability wouldnt be as dangerous as him fighting from a distance. Daredevil would be attacking from multiple angles and disciplines. Gambit would have trouble keeping up with DD let alon thinking about trying to charge something. Most of DD's fights against opponents with some type of ability are with him dodging and counterattacking. Because he knows the next move, hed prefer it that way. That works to his advantage not Gambits.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Getting close to Gambit wouldnt be more dangerous than getting close to Bullseye for the simple fact that Gambit woujldnt risk charging DD's suit considering hes not immune to the effects of the explosion. Secondly, you ask can Bullseye do anything to Daredevil in straight up h2h? Bullseye is an excellent h2h combatant. Plus hes durable as hell. Bullseye may very well be better than Gambit at h2h combat.
Gambit having his staff and charging ability wouldnt be as dangerous as him fighting from a distance. Daredevil would be attacking from multiple angles and disciplines. Gambit would have trouble keeping up with DD let alon thinking about trying to charge something. Most of DD's fights against opponents with some type of ability are with him dodging and counterattacking. Because he knows the next move, hed prefer it that way. That works to his advantage not Gambits.

I didn't say fighting Gambit up close is as dangerous as fighting him from far away. I just said it would be more dangerous than fighting Bullseye due to more firepower and battle options. Gambit won't have as much trouble keeping up with Daredevil as you think. Bullseye is also not as skilled or as versatile as Gambit is up close.

Nice. In the first scan you posted, it was a fairly small charge and the object seemed loser to the other guys face than it was Gambits face. Plus when Gambit got blinded, it appeared to be a bigger charge that the one you posted. What happened after that?

I still think Bullseye would be much toucher than Gambit up close. Bullseye would have just as many battle options as Gambit. Bullseye just has to throw something as to where Gambit has to charge it first and make sure it doesnt blow up in his face. Plus Bullseye is a better combatant than him. Blade isnt as good as Elektra or Daredevil.

Bullseye lost, but if it werent for DD stepping in, Elektra would have died again.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Nice. In the first scan you posted, it was a fairly small charge and the object seemed loser to the other guys face than it was Gambits face. Plus when Gambit got blinded, it appeared to be a bigger charge that the one you posted. What happened after that?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I still think Bullseye would be much toucher than Gambit up close. Bullseye would have just as many battle options as Gambit. Bullseye just has to throw something as to where Gambit has to charge it first and make sure it doesnt blow up in his face. Plus Bullseye is a better combatant than him. Blade isnt as good as Elektra or Daredevil.

Seriously though, Bullseye shouldn't be able to Elektra. Wolverine said somewhere Elektra could probably beat him and doubt Bullseye has much on Wolverine. Bullseye has definitely got some tricks up close, but come on. Daredevil has dodged the guy's projectiles like no tomorrow, but the writers want me to believe Bullseye can land two kicks on Daredevil? Daredevil and Elektra should mop the floor with him up close.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The charge from the necklace was actually more powerful than the card. The necklace's explosion knocked a large man backwards onto the ground, while Gambit's card had no real effect.( I think it may have knocked his head back some.) Julien's dad was directly ontop of Gambit when Gambit blew up his necklace. The necklace and card were the same distance away from Gambit's face. After the incident, Gambit immediately jumped onto the guy and put a charged to his face. Gambit was entirely unaffected by the explosion. I can get a scan if you want.

Bullseye was barely surviving when he was just going pure hand to hand with Elektra. He gained the upper hand after throwing something. This is much like what I was saying when I said Gambit could still beat Daredevil up close as he doesn't have to rely solely on hand to hand skill. Blade is pretty decent, plus I am sure he is superhuman.

Seriously though, Bullseye shouldn't be able to Elektra. Wolverine said somewhere Elektra could probably beat him and doubt Bullseye has much on Wolverine. Bullseye has definitely got some tricks up close, but come on. Daredevil has dodged the guy's projectiles like no tomorrow, but the writers want me to believe Bullseye can land [b]two kicks on Daredevil? Daredevil and Elektra should mop the floor with him up close. [/B]

Originally posted by StyleTime
The charge from the necklace was actually more powerful than the card. The necklace's explosion knocked a large man backwards onto the ground, while Gambit's card had no real effect.( I think it may have knocked his head back some.) Julien's dad was directly ontop of Gambit when Gambit blew up his necklace. The necklace and card were the same distance away from Gambit's face. After the incident, Gambit immediately jumped onto the guy and put a charged to his face. Gambit was entirely unaffected by the explosion. I can get a scan if you want.

The charge from the neclace in no way appeared to be a biger charge than the card theat blew up ni Gambits face. And ofcourse it would knock him back considering it going off in his face. Gambit is already on the floor and face isnt as close to the explosion as his oppenets was. I would like to see the scan of Gambit clsoe to the charged card on someones face.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Bullseye was barely surviving when he was just going pure hand to hand with Elektra. He gained the upper hand after throwing something. This is much like what I was saying when I said Gambit could still beat Daredevil up close as he doesn't have to rely solely on hand to hand skill. Blade is pretty decent, plus I am sure he is superhuman.

In the first fight, Bullseye had the sligh advantage before throwing the card at Elektra. With Elektra being among the top martial artists in MArvel, thats quite impressive. Blade is decent but hes not on Daredevil or Elektras's level of skill.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Seriously though, Bullseye shouldn't be able to Elektra. Wolverine said somewhere Elektra could probably beat him and doubt Bullseye has much on Wolverine. Bullseye has definitely got some tricks up close, but come on. Daredevil has dodged the guy's projectiles like no tomorrow, but the writers want me to believe Bullseye can land [b]two kicks on Daredevil? Daredevil and Elektra should mop the floor with him up close. [/B]

Wolverine doesnt usually show to display more combat ability and skill as Elektra and Daredevil does on an average basis. Elektra could beat mos people in h2h combat. Daredevil dodges Bullseye's projectiles like nothing because of his senses. Bullsye is a better combatant that you give him credit for. Hit geting hits in on DD shouldnt be that hard to believe. Although if written to full abilities, noone would ever land a hit on Daredevil, so its only fail to let Bullseye land a few.

And incase you didhnt know, Bullseye whooped Gambits ass in combat. Bullseye was about to kill him until someone interfered and helped Gambit.

And in case you missed it that was during a time where Gambit's powers were acting up and he didn't want to fight, however later in that same series Gambit was stalemating Daredevil, the guy who usually beats Bullseye.