Ganon and Sephiroth v.s. Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion

Started by Manslayer7 pages

Originally posted by Terryc250
Spectre is equal to Living Tribunal,
Source? Quote? Last i remember it was debated that spectre uses technology to accomplish his feats
Originally posted by Terryc250

so Spectre > Galactus
Debatable, just ask Mr M for evidence, he has handed phoenix fanboys their asses. I will not argue galactus > spectre anyways, conceded

Originally posted by Terryc250

a full powered Galactus? We've never seen a full powered galactus in the history of marvel, so how can u say it > white phoenix?
Eternity > white phoenix, and FP galactus rivals eternity in power.

And in secret wars it is hinted how a FP galactus looks like, Doom absorbs his powers and annihilates galactus with a wave of his hand killing him instantly

Originally posted by Terryc250

All we've seen is a Rachal avatar BEAT galactus, and btw a Jean Grey DARK phoenix > Rachal phoenix, and a white crown phoenix is > DARK phoenix, so you cannot just assume that a full powered galactus > white phoenix
Rachel beats a weaknened galactus as he himself states "I am in need of subsistence" or w/e the s word is.
The fact that eternity is superior to white phoenix and the fact that FP galactus = eternity?

By the way, jean as the phoenix states that galactus is her equal. You fail
Am i argueing a full powered galactus being stronger than phoenix? Yes

Originally posted by Terryc250

IMO Beyonder > Spectre,

Galactus is outmatched in these

your kidding right? a Universe is NOTHING compared to beyonder, he can destroy the MULTIVERSE in a gesture

Ill concede this point

Beyonder is the strongest character created, or atleast that i have ever heard of.

After all, he elimnated death, did he not?

Also in Secret Wars 2, it was revealed that he was more powerful than a bunch of entities, including the Living Tribunal.

Why are comics being discussed in this thread?

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Why are comics being discussed in this thread?

It's a symbol of how bored we are, no one has replied to the threads i like, plus i'm waiting for someone to call me, so got nothing better to do

OK.

Originally posted by Remindme
Beyonder is the strongest character created, or atleast that i have ever heard of.
Maybe 2nd or 3rd, but marvel states TOAA is far superior to any other character including , TOAA created
Originally posted by Remindme

Also in Secret Wars 2, it was revealed that he was more powerful than a bunch of entities, including the Living Tribunal.
I will ask this out of curiosity but is there a quote which says he > LT? Just curious

Originally posted by Manslayer
Maybe 2nd or 3rd, but marvel states TOAA is far superior to any other character including , TOAA created
I will ask this out of curiosity but is there a quote which says he > LT? Just curious

hm, never knew.

You know what, I'll have to get back to you on that. I can't seem to find it, give me a little time please.

thought MarvelDirectory says this:

Known Superhuman Powers: The Beyonder was apparently the most powerful being ever to exist in this universe (although he was not native to this universe), and hence could do virtually anything, The Beyonder could manipulate incalculable amounts of energy and create and rearrange matter on a planetary scale.

hope that buys me a bit of time to convice you...

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Lol, according to my 'scource' he's more powerful like....stronger, physically stronger, but Living can still think him to death

Oh yeah, and THOTU one shot TOAA out

Has to be Ganon and seph

First of all, KOSMOS would murk any SW character. She goes faster than light, can absorb whole fleets of starships, and can bust a solar system. Second of all, Manslayer, you have not crushed any of my claims, not in this thread. We had a little debate in a different thread, but that is it. Mewtwo can think faster than any supercomputer, and would mindrape Sidious easily.

Two things:

Sephiroth. Can. Not. Go. Intangible.

That was Jenova. Jenova does nto equal Sephiroth. Unless you're telling me if I chopped Sephiroth into tiny bits, would they all instinctively come together?

It was Jenova's unique abilities he had to hijack because he couldn't make use of them on his own. That's why he used her body.

Second, Sephiroth never came close to destroying so much as a city in AC, let alone the planet.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Two things:

Sephiroth. Can. Not. Go. Intangible.

That was Jenova. Jenova does nto equal Sephiroth. Unless you're telling me if I chopped Sephiroth into tiny bits, would they all instinctively come together?

It was Jenova's unique abilities he had to hijack because he couldn't make use of them on his own. That's why he used her body.

Second, Sephiroth never came close to destroying so much as a city in AC, let alone the planet.

So this is much like Ganon and Jenova?

Originally posted by Remindme

thought MarvelDirectory says this:

Known Superhuman Powers: The Beyonder was apparently the most powerful being ever to exist in this universe (although he was not native to this universe), and hence could do virtually anything, The Beyonder could manipulate incalculable amounts of energy and create and rearrange matter on a planetary scale.

That contradict jack kirbys and stan less statements of TOAA being superior to beyonder.

The TOAA im referring to isnt the celestial so dont get confused, its the god of marvel, the one who created the beyonder, the phoenix, and just about everything else

Originally posted by Remindme

Lol, according to my 'scource' he's more powerful like....stronger, physically stronger, but Living can still think him to death

Oh yeah, and THOTU one shot TOAA out

That must be the celestial TOAA, The TOAA(god) never appears in marvel at all, the only time he does appear is in the form of stan lee or jack kirby

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
First of all, KOSMOS would murk any SW character. She goes faster than light, can absorb whole fleets of starships, and can bust a solar system.
I wont argue against that till i take a look at her feats on a source or when i finish playing xeno. But just to add to that, the jedi can rival the speed of kosmos seeing that they can move faster than the speed of light

Seems to me your trying to spite SW characters

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

Second of all, Manslayer, you have not crushed any of my claims, not in this thread.
I have, i destroyed your claim "nihilus killing people by talking" "Nihilus lifted a fleet" Etc.

Your right, i didnt crush them, i utterly annihilated those claims, and the claims where you claimed vrook is a "very powerful jedi master" because he mastered a few lightsaber forms

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

We had a little debate in a different thread, but that is it. Mewtwo can think faster than any supercomputer, and would mindrape Sidious easily.
Lol mew 2 doesnt even pose a threat to human life, And sidious has resistance to telepathical abilities. You fail again

Jedi mind tricks > that of mew two seeing that weaklings like alema keto can mindtrick an entire republic fleet with space monsters which arent real and it causes the entire fleet to crumble had nomi not been there

You're looking for a source of information for KOS-MOS?

Here:KOS-MOS Respect Thread

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
You're looking for a source of information for KOS-MOS?

Here:KOS-MOS Respect Thread

K thanks, have a better understanding of kos mos, yes extremely powerful but shes a technological robot. I like that part where she blows up a fleet,

Imo only, that x-buster is on par with palpatines force storm technique.

That link you gave me? I find it way more reliable than wikipedia

Originally posted by Manslayer
I wont argue against that till i take a look at her feats on a source or when i finish playing xeno. But just to add to that, the jedi can rival the speed of kosmos seeing that they can move faster than the speed of light

Seems to me your trying to spite SW characters
I have, i destroyed your claim "nihilus killing people by talking" "Nihilus lifted a fleet" Etc.

Your right, i didnt crush them, i utterly annihilated those claims, and the claims where you claimed vrook is a "very powerful jedi master" because he mastered a few lightsaber forms

Lol mew 2 doesnt even pose a threat to human life, And sidious has resistance to telepathical abilities. You fail again

Jedi mind tricks > that of mew two seeing that weaklings like alema keto can mindtrick an entire republic fleet with space monsters which arent real and it causes the entire fleet to crumble had nomi not been there

1. Which Jedi moves faster than light? The only ones I can think of that could do that would be Sidious and Luke, and they are the two strongest in SW. Oh, and why would I try to spite SW?

2. I didn't claim Vrook was some kinda uber Jedi Master, only that he was considered to be strong in those days. Kavar out of the 3 I named was probably the strongest. Nihilus did use Force Kill by speaking, you still haven't proved me wrong on that. Nihilus may not have lifted his fleet, but that is still far greater TK than Revan or Exar Kun has shown. Your entire argument on why Revan and Kun are stronger, is because you say Nihilus has nothing impressive about him other than Force Kill and TK. Even if that is true(which it isn't) Nihilus could still kill either one of them in one simple move. Force Kill is part of Nihilus' power, it is part of what makes him so powerful.

3. Lol, no you phail. M2 killed a whole islands worth of humans, and destroyed the island. M2 has greater telepathic abilities than any in SW. M2 wiped the memories of several humans, then he teleported them all back to the station where they began. M2 can travel thru dimensions. Pokemon are stronger than you think.

M2 also created clones of the pokemon in the movie.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Which Jedi moves faster than light? The only ones I can think of that could do that would be Sidious and Luke, and they are the two strongest in SW. Oh, and why would I try to spite SW?
Ill tell you what, that force technique is a core force ability meaning its a basic power, and the fact that leland chee made a statement that the ROTS fights were slowed them from a point where "they moved faster than the eye can see" This is backed up by the novel.

Also i checked the kos mos respect thread, yes shes uber, shes hot and shes powerful, real strong

But you made an unsupported claim claiming she moves like light, the only video i saw there was fighting in hyper space . Thats different from what you claimed

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

2. I didn't claim Vrook was some kinda uber Jedi Master, only that he was considered to be strong in those days.
Theres nothing to indicate that he is strong
Originally posted by Violent2Dope


Nihilus did use Force Kill by speaking, you still haven't proved me wrong on that.

Neither have you proved your right because i gave you a metaphor, etc

"I had a gun in my hand aimed at my friend , when i spoke, my friend died " That means i kill him by speaking? DESPITE the fact that nihilus actually cuts people off the force which kills them?

Nihilus used this technique on kreia, and he didnt speak at all. When nihilus used the same technique on the exile, he didnt speak either.

Your point holds no water

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

Nihilus may not have lifted his fleet, but that is still far greater TK than Revan or Exar Kun has shown.
Maybe but kun has been shown to freeze hundreds and thousands of senators, thats even greater than nihilus TK.

And revans greatest feat alone puts him above nihilus, When revan walked upon malachors surface, the dark side attempted to consume him but becuse of revans power in the force, he instead reverses the effect and feeds on malachors dark side aura.

When kreia, sion and nihilus went there for the first time, the immense presence of the dark side crushed them and broken them down turning them into what they are while revan feeds on it rather than get consumed

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

Your entire argument on why Revan and Kun are stronger, is because you say Nihilus has nothing impressive about him other than Force Kill and TK. Even if that is true(which it isn't)
Its a fact so its true
Originally posted by Violent2Dope

Nihilus could still kill either one of them in one simple move. Force Kill is part of Nihilus' power, it is part of what makes him so powerful.
With just one technique he is a force god? Hell no seeing that exar kun himself can kill nihilus by merely firing his amulet which can dissintigrate human beings and burn a hole through the massassi wall.

That amulet blast of his is a smaller scale version of KOS MOS x buster attack which burns out a fleet.

And we have the fact that kun uses the dark side aura of yavin to back him up and he is powerful enough to use the force to tear a post DE lukes spirit from his body.

Theres also the fact that he choked 10 of lukes jedi knights at once

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

3. Lol, no you phail. M2 killed a whole islands worth of humans, and destroyed the island. M2 has greater telepathic abilities than any in SW.
And sidious could choke and kill his victims from millions of light years away... something which mew 2s telepathic abilities cannot reach due to the vast distances while palaptine could communicate with mara jade light years away.

That ALONE proves palpatines telepathy is greater

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

M2 wiped the memories of several humans, then he teleported them all back to the station where they began. M2 can travel thru dimensions. Pokemon are stronger than you think.
Being able to do X in situation Y doesnt mean you can do X in situation Z where Z has different properties

Oh and m2 destroys an island? Sidious destoyed an armada with his force storm vortex consisting of hundreds and thousands of rebel warships powerful enough to destroy a surface of a planet while it is at the same time poewrful enough to ravage the surface of an entire planet

Dont ever underestimate sidious, Besides luke skywalker sidious is another force god whom even the ancient sith bows down to

Originally posted by Manslayer
Ironically he never does it.

Again more speculation

He never does it because he only reached this level of power in AC. But he decided to play with Cloud instead of destroying the planet.

And did you read my post in page 40? Everything I'm saying here, is proved there. So please stop saying it's speculation, because it isn't.

Prove it seeing he could have used it against cloud several times through out his life

No he couldn't use it several times through his life, because he reached this level only in AC.

You are the only one here stating he can't do that. Probably because you didn't read my first post, in page 40.

About his intangibility... Everything comes from her cells. In FFVII he could use her powers, because he controlled her body, her cells. In AC his entire body is composed of J-cells. It's exactly the same as the one we saw in FFVII. So yes, he can turn intangible.

And before you, or anyone ask "why he didn't use it in the movie then?", I already answered that. He was playing with Cloud. It's the same reason of why he didn't use his super-speed(like he did in CC against Zack), or why he didn't use magic, or illusions.

I like to compare AC Sephiroth with Pyron. And yeah, I know Pyron is much more powerful but let me finish.
From what I heard about him, Pyron is a cosmic being with the size of a galaxy. But he weakened himself to fight the DS and lost because of that.
AC Sephiroth is a god with power over the planet(is in the same level of Goddess Minerva), but "weakened" himself to fight Cloud and lost because of that.

The two situations are the same.

Originally posted by SHM
He never does it because he only reached this level of power in AC. But he decided to play with Cloud instead of destroying the planet.
Ironic he doesnt use intangibility to save his life when he had ample time to use it before cloud got a shot at him
Originally posted by SHM

And did you read my post in page 40? Everything I'm saying is here, is proved there. So please stop saying it's speculation, because it isn't.
Name the source and quote it here

Originally posted by SHM

No he couldn't use it several times through his life, because he reached this level only in AC.
And he never uses it as of AC
Originally posted by SHM

You are the only one here stating he can't do that. Probably because you didn't read my first post, in page 40.
Problably because when i asked you to name the source and the exact quote, you stall and dont answer
Originally posted by SHM

About his intangibility... Everything come from her cells.
Just because she can do it doesnt mean he can, zack and cloud got injected with her cells, are they intangible? No
Originally posted by SHM

In FFVII he could use her powers, because he controlled her body, her cells. In AC his entire body is composed of J-cells. It's exactly the same as the one we saw in FFVII. So yes, he can turn intangible.
No, He was human when he is in lucrecias womb, hojo gave him a higher dose of jenova cells when he is still a fetus, that doesnt change the fact he is still human thus he isnt intangible

Originally posted by SHM

And before you, or anyone ask "why he didn't use it in the movie then?", I already answered that. He was [B]playing
with Cloud.
[/B]
Again, he had ample time to activate the ability before cloud could take a shot at him, Your point collapses
Originally posted by SHM

It's the same reason of why he didn't use his super-speed(like he did in CC against Zack), or why he didn't use magic, or illusions.
See the above

Originally posted by SHM

I like to compare AC Sephiroth with Pyron. And yeah, I know Pyron is much more powerful but let me finish.
From what I heard about him, Pyron is a cosmic being with the size of a galaxy. But he weakened himself to fight the DS and lost because of that.
AC Sephiroth is a god with power over the planet(in the same level of Minerva), but "weakened" himself to fight Cloud and lost because of that.
The two situations are the same.
I dont know who pyron is and i dont care, the only thing i care about is destroying your baseless posts