Classic Molecule Man vs Ultimator and all of 5d Imps

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT is the judge over the OMNIVERSE. And that has not always been that way. becuz according to secret wars, the beyonder was everything outside of the multiverse. That would make the beyonder the omniverse, minus the marvel 616 multiverse. And according to secret wars, the LT was a PART of the multiverse. Now explain your way out of that one. Becuz we all know the LT is NOT part of the multiverse.

Again, you're associating station with power. It doesn't matter if he was the judge of the universe, multiverse, or omniverse. His power level has never been retconned. Roma is the guardian of the omniverse, yet she has been defeated several times by people not as important.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Again, you're associating station with power. It doesn't matter if he was the judge of the universe, multiverse, or omniverse. His power level has never been retconned. Roma is the guardian of the omniverse, yet she has been defeated several times by people not as important.

No. you don't get what I'm saying. In secret wars, The LT was stated to be PART of the multiverse. Now explain your way out of that. Becuz the LT as is currently depicted is over the omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. you don't get what I'm saying. In secret wars, The LT was stated to be PART of the multiverse. Now explain your way out of that. Becuz the LT as is currently depicted is over the omniverse.

Whether he is PART of the multiverse or omniverse or above it means little. The LT's job is to keep cosmic balance throughout the multiverse or omniverse. The omniverse didn't exist back then, so the LT judged over the biggest thing around, which was the multiverse. Now that there is an omniverse, he judges over that, too. He still has the same role and the same power.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Whether he is PART of the multiverse or omniverse or above it means little. The LT's job is to keep cosmic balance throughout the multiverse or omniverse. The omniverse didn't exist back then, so the LT judged over the biggest thing around, which was the multiverse. Now that there is an omniverse, he judges over that, too. He still has the same role and the same power.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Whether he is PART of the multiverse or omniverse or above it means little. The LT's job is to keep cosmic balance throughout the multiverse or omniverse. The omniverse didn't exist back then, so the LT judged over the biggest thing around, which was the multiverse. Now that there is an omniverse, he judges over that, too. He still has the same role and the same power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cosigned. This is so simple to understand its mind boggling.

Simple things are for the simple minded.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Simple things are for the simple minded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How come you seem to be one of the only ones who get it? Is everyone slow and dimwitted while you are the one a shining star on this forum or maybe your wrong again...Ill leave you with the two possible answers....reflect and learn from this experience

You do realize that to smarter people, every one else is slower. The masses of people are like cattle. Believing everything they are fed and read and see. Never digging for answers. Never studying history and seeking to find truth. Most people accept Truth as fact. That just isn't so. Fact isn't always truth. Most people are face value beings. Only able to cognitively perceive what is presented at face value. I.E. The beyonder and MM are superior to the LT. But true genius, and true intellect would say, hey, wait a minute. Wasn't the beyonder everything outside of the marvel multiverse? Isn't the omniverse really the 616 multiverse+what used to be the beyonder's wrealm? Doesn't the LT sit over all of that? If the LT were the same as in 84, then how come he didnt' know about the beyond wrealm? and how come he didn't have authority over the beyonder's wrealm? Questions are what bring about learning. Taking things at face value bring about cattle mindedness.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. Becuz if he had the same power, he would Be judge over the beyonder's wrealm. Which is by all accounts, The rest of the omniverse. Obviously He doesn't have the same power lvl. Now explain your way out of that . He was PART of the multiverse. Having no authority outside of it's reaches becuz that was the beyonder's wrealm. Now, He has authority over all of that. Please, enlighten me, How can he have the same power now as then when he didn't have power over the beyonder wrealm which is now the rest of the omniverse?

The LT had authority over Korvac, yet was unable to destroy him. He had authority over Protege, yet it was Scathan who stopped him. He had authority over Warlock w/the IG yet had to persuade Warlock into giving up the IG instead of just taking it. Authority does not equal power. LT's job is to keep the cosmic balance within the omniverse. Does that automatically mean he has the power to defeat the omniverse itself (Beyonder) if it chooses to attack him? Unless you have proof stating he can, no.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize that to smarter people, every one else is slower. The masses of people are like cattle. Believing everything they are fed and read and see. Never digging for answers. Never studying history and seeking to find truth. Most people accept Truth as fact. That just isn't so. Fact isn't always truth. Most people are face value beings. Only able to cognitively perceive what is presented at face value. I.E. The beyonder and MM are superior to the LT. But true genius, and true intellect would say, hey, wait a minute. Wasn't the beyonder everything outside of the marvel multiverse? Isn't the omniverse really the 616 multiverse+what used to be the beyonder's wrealm? Doesn't the LT sit over all of that? If the LT were the same as in 84, then how come he didnt' know about the beyond wrealm? and how come he didn't have authority over the beyonder's wrealm? Questions are what bring about learning. Taking things at face value bring about cattle mindedness.

Wow. This kind of hollier than thou attitude just ended the debate for me. [/close]

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The LT had authority over Korvac, yet was unable to destroy him. He had authority over Protege, yet it was Scathan who stopped him. He had authority over Warlock w/the IG yet had to persuade Warlock into giving up the IG instead of just taking it. Authority does not equal power. LT's job is to keep the cosmic balance within the omniverse. Does that automatically mean he has the power to defeat the omniverse itself (Beyonder) if it chooses to attack him? Unless you have proof stating he can, no.

Let's for one look over some things. The LT absorbed Protege did he not? THat is a power up right there if I ever saw one. Two, The LT cannot always act unless his faces are in agreement. Let's also look at this. The LT was stated to be part of the multiverse. He had no authority or power over anything of the beyonder wrealm. The LT is shown holding two megaverse, which would have to be part of what once was the beyonder wrealm, since they are both far larger than the 616 multiverse. How can the LT have the POWER over such as in he's shown actually holding them in his hands, and in secret wars had no power over the beyonder wrealm in any part.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's for one look over some things. The LT absorbed Protege did he not? THat is a power up right there if I ever saw one. Two, The LT cannot always act unless his faces are in agreement. Let's also look at this. The LT was stated to be part of the multiverse. He had no authority or power over anything of the beyonder wrealm. The LT is shown holding two megaverse, which would have to be part of what once was the beyonder wrealm, since they are both far larger than the 616 multiverse. How can the LT have the POWER over such as in he's shown actually holding them in his hands, and in secret wars had no power over the beyonder wrealm in any part.

And that last part is just circles. You're acknoweldging the retcon when this thread stipulates PRE-RETCON.

Originally posted by Air Legend
This fails. The LT exists in all Multiverses simultaneously. All Multiverses= Omniverse. Do you not remember when the LT separated a a universe from the Multiverse? Same concept as two megaverses, he wasn't above the omniverse/multiverse/all of marvel, he was still part of it. Only TOAA is above the omniverse.

And that last part is just circles. You're acknoweldging the retcon when this thread stipulates PRE-RETCON.

Since we are talkign things that are obviously beyond your limited reasoning and understanding, I'd rather just continue to debate with an intelligent and civilized poster. So dont mind me if I from now on ignore you and just respond to celestial.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Since we are talkign things that are obviously beyond your limited reasoning and understanding, I'd rather just continue to debate with an intelligent and civilized poster. So dont mind me if I from now on ignore you and just respond to celestial.

This is one of your first responses in this thread:

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What you haven't called is ANY feat that The molecule man has that compares to wiping away everything and Defeating an omniversal power like the spectre. not once, but twice. Molecule Man loses. And you fail at life with this utterly rediculous thread.

It was proved wrong, so you started askng new and irrelevant questions, they were proved wrong, then you started asking more irrelevant questions, and then you go back to this claim, and on and on in a circle.

Celestial already noticed your circular arguments. How long he will respond to you is the real question? It is how long before he tires of your annoying, circular arguments that should be pondering.

Because you don't debate with logic, I'll just keep posting the same proven facts.

Originally posted by Air Legend
You just like to argue, plain and simple. People get caught up argiuning with you because you always bring up new irrelevant and illogical questions without ever coming to a decisive conclusion on the first question to begin with. Celestial will eventually figure this out and stop responding to your inanities.

This is one of your first responses in this thread:

It was proved wrong, so you started askng new and irrelevant questions, they were proved wrong, then you started asking more irrelevant questions, and then you go back to this claim, and on and on in a circle.

Celestial already noticed your circular arguments. How long he will respond to you is the real question? It is how long before he tires of your annoying, circular arguments that should be pondering.

Because you don't debate with logic, I'll just keep posting the same proven facts.

Only in your mind. the molecule man hasn't wiped out or recreated not one multiverse on panel. hell I dont' ever remember him even destroying or creating a universe. So please, get lost. You only make yourself look bad.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Only in your mind. the molecule man hasn't wiped out or recreated not one multiverse on panel. hell I dont' ever remember him even destroying or creating a universe. So please, get lost. You only make yourself look bad.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Thanks for proving my point.

I welcome you to tell me the page numbers and issues where classic molecule man creates or destroys a multiverse. Hell a universe is a start.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I welcome you to tell me the page numbers and issues where classic molecule man creates or destroys a multiverse. Hell a universe is a start.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Try reading Secret Wars II issue #9

I"m at work right now dont' have it. Give me a feat,and page number and i'll try to find it on the net. He creates a multiverse on panel? He destroys one on panel? I dont' remember that happening.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize that to smarter people, every one else is slower. The masses of people are like cattle. Believing everything they are fed and read and see. Never digging for answers. Never studying history and seeking to find truth. Most people accept Truth as fact. That just isn't so. Fact isn't always truth. Most people are face value beings. Only able to cognitively perceive what is presented at face value. I.E. The beyonder and MM are superior to the LT. But true genius, and true intellect would say, hey, wait a minute. Wasn't the beyonder everything outside of the marvel multiverse? Isn't the omniverse really the 616 multiverse+what used to be the beyonder's wrealm? Doesn't the LT sit over all of that? If the LT were the same as in 84, then how come he didnt' know about the beyond wrealm? and how come he didn't have authority over the beyonder's wrealm? Questions are what bring about learning. Taking things at face value bring about cattle mindedness.

Sigmund Freud would explain it with the defense mechanism known as "identification".

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He creates a multiverse on panel? He destroys one on panel? I dont' remember that happening.

Ask Mr Master for scans.