Top 5 Most Powerful Mutants

Started by Mr Master25 pages

Originally posted by Creshosk

So what you're arguing is that 58163 never existed cause it doesn't exist now. fascinating.


Pay attention.

Again,

HOM reality doesn't exist at all. (No one said "never"😉

Cause Wanda changed reality 58163 (Remade 616) back into 616.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Thank you for ignoring the scan.


You been ignoring everything that proves you wrong, from the beginning.

Originally posted by Creshosk

You'll note the timeline doesn't suddenly jut backwards after it diverges. think of it like forks in a river, when the river splits, it doesn't suddenly create new river back the way you came from. It just creates it foreward.


Inconsequential, you didn't get the point of the scan.

Again, NO ONE time-travelled into the future in HCT,
the story jumped into the future,
this is why it was a separate insignificant Timeline.

Just like the Editors clearly stated in the arc itself.

Just like the HCT bio clearly tells us Reality 15104 was born in issue #150.

"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104 began in issue#150)

.................................................................................

NOT in issue#154 where Jean amputated reality 15104's future.

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"

.................................................................................

Goodness .. bangin

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, let me explain this again.

Jean amputated the future of 616, cleaned it up, and that future timeline became Earth 15104. Then she went back in time and forced Scott to change his mind, which created a NEW future in place of the amputated one, and that is the current 616 future. That's just about as simple as I can make it.


Not true, this is your interpretation without even reading the arc.

Okay, let me explain this again.

The story jumped into the future,
this is why it was a separate insignificant Timeline.

Just like the Editors clearly stated in the arc itself.

"Ditto for the Proud People,
though they may be now only a glimmer in the Phoenix's eye
along with the rest of this Timeline
."

.................................................................................

Just like the HCT bio clearly tells us Reality 15104 was born in issue #150.

"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104 began in issue#150)

.................................................................................

NOT in issue#154 where Jean amputated reality 15104's future.

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"

.................................................................................

Originally posted by Mr Master
Pay attention.

Again,

Cause, HOM reality doesn't exist at all. (No one "never"😉

Wanda changed reality 58163 (Remade 616) back into 616.

Oh so you're saying that it never existed... Cause when a new timeline is made the entire back history is created new for it... so when a timeline is destroyed the entire back history would be destroyed as well. And since we're talking about time that means it never existed. Cool homie. 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
You been ignoring everything that's proves you wrong, from the beginning.
Just like you're doing. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Inconsequential, you didn't get the point of the scan.
So show me where an entire back history is made in the scan. Cause I just don't see it.. if you follow the divergent timeline backwards it reuinites at the divergent point and then is part of the original timeline again.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, NO ONE time-travelled into the future in HCT,
the story jumped into the future,
this is why it was a separate insignificant Timeline.
So if no one time traveled then *points to the green highlight* that "how timelines work" scan of yours is meaningless? Nice.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just like the Editors clearly stated in the arc itself.
And the story jumping into the future means that its another timeline at that moment, just because of the jump into the future?

Gee what does that say about flashbacks? We jump into the past, and then we return to the present.. that's a jump into the future since the present is the future of the past... so eeach time a flashback concludes, an entirely new timeline is made. Nice.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just like the HCT bio clearly tells us Reality 15104 was born in issue #150.
Retroactively.. can you say retroactively? I know you can.. do you know what it means?

Originally posted by Mr Master

"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104 began in issue#150)

.................................................................................

NOT in issue#154 where Jean amputated reality 15104's future.

"In ONE Future, Phoenix [B]severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"

.................................................................................

Goodness .. bangin [/B]

See? No grasp of temporal mechanics... Trick gets it, Kandy gets it.. Why don't you? Its really rather simple...

Oh it must be those phoenix blinders that make you selectively apply your logic. 🙂👆

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The evidence above ties in perfectly with HCT Beast's bio:

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http://en.marveldatabase.com/Henry_McCoy#Henry_McCoy_.28Earth-15104.29

Henry McCoy (Earth-15104)

"Phoenix converge and absorbed the entire alternate future into it,
causing it to cease to exist.
She then psychically reached backwards in time to encourage Cyclops to "live",
to accept Emma Frost's love and thus remain at the Institute;
as a result,
the original timeline that led to Sublime's possession of the Beast has been negated."

===================================

Thanx Cresh, made my job easier.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not true, this is your interpretation without even reading the arc.
As opposed to your flawed interpritation without reading the arc? 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Okay, let me explain this again.

The story jumped into the future,
this is why it was a separate insignificant Timeline.

Just like the Editors clearly stated in the arc itself.

"Ditto for the Proud People,
though they may be now only a glimmer in the Phoenix's eye
along with the rest of [b]this Timeline
."

.................................................................................

Just like the HCT bio clearly tells us Reality 15104 was born in issue #150.

"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104 began in issue#150)

.................................................................................

NOT in issue#154 where Jean amputated reality 15104's future.

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"

................................................................................. [/B]

Yeah you can keep posting your flawed interpretation... that won't make you right...

It does however make you predictable...

Though useing handbooks on KMC? Talk about fail. Oh, do you want me to quote you the mods? I can, if you want me too.. Be sure to read the words slowly though so that you don't miss any.

Originally posted by Mr Master
===================================

The evidence above ties in perfectly with HCT Beast's bio:

===================================

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Henry_McCoy#Henry_McCoy_.28Earth-15104.29

Henry McCoy (Earth-15104)

"Phoenix converge and absorbed the entire [b]alternate future into it,
causing it to cease to exist.
She then psychically reached backwards in time to encourage Cyclops to "live",
to accept Emma Frost's love and thus remain at the Institute;
as a result,
the original timeline that led to Sublime's possession of the Beast has been negated."

===================================

Thanx Cresh, made my job easier. [/B]

Here since you don't seem to know this word.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retroactively
retroactively
One entry found.

retroactive

Main Entry: ret·ro·ac·tive
Pronunciation: \-ˈak-tiv\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French rétroactif, from Latin retroactus, past participle of retroagere to drive back, reverse, from retro- + agere to drive — more at agent
Date: 1611
: extending in scope or effect to a prior time or to conditions that existed or originated in the past; especially : made effective as of a date prior to enactment, promulgation, or imposition <retroactive tax>
— ret·ro·ac·tive·ly adverb
— ret·ro·ac·tiv·i·ty \-&#716;ak-&#712;ti-v&#601;-tç\ noun

🙂

Get it?

According to your logic: House of M never existed.

Cause haey, don't ignore this part: "causing it to cease to exist." Meaning that she wiped out 15104 by absorbing it.. then she reached into the past (616) and forced scott to stay. 💃

But you have to ignore that due to your hate-on for jean.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Oh so you're saying that it never existed... Cause when a new timeline is made the entire back history is created new for it... so when a timeline is destroyed the entire back history would be destroyed as well. And since we're talking about time that means it never existed. Cool homie.


No one said, so obviously you didn't pay attention again.

What's the point of giving you time,
you seem to just like to see your fonts on the screen.

Originally posted by Creshosk

So show me where an entire back history is made in the scan. Cause I just don't see it.. if you follow the divergent timeline backwards it reuinites at the divergent point and then is part of the original timeline again.


Pay attention.

Last time.

Wanda didn't create a separate/diverged Reality,
Wanda remade 616 into 58163 (at this point, there is NO 616, cause it's 58163)

Got it.

Afterwards,
Wanda remade 58163 back into 616.

Got it .. got it ... got it ... jeesh.

This is why 58163 doesn't exist at all. Got it!!!!

Originally posted by Creshosk
And the story jumping into the future means that its another timeline at that moment, just because of the jump into the future?

Now you're learning, my man. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk

See? No grasp of temporal mechanics... Trick gets it, Kandy gets it.. Why don't you? Its really rather simple...


What do I care if Trick and Kandy "get" something they never even read before.

That's actually funny. 😆

Originally posted by Creshosk

Oh it must be those phoenix blinders that make you selectively apply your logic.


Gibberish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No one said, so obviously you didn't pay attention again.

What's the point of giving you time,
you seem to just like to see your fonts on the screen.

Don't be hypocritical Mister. You ignore that which doesn't suit you as well, so I'm inentionally being obtuse and seeing only what I want to see in your tesxt.. just like you do.

A divergent timeline's past is still the timeline it diverged from.

Your scan of time travelers shows this. But you feel like ignoring that little fact...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Pay attention.

Last time.

Wanda didn't create a separate/diverged Reality,
[b]Wanda remade 616 into 58163
(at this point, there is NO 616, cause it's 58163)[/b]

Just like how 616 WAS 15104.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Got it.
Do you?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Afterwards,
[b]Wanda remade 58163 back into 616
.[/b]
And Jean forced 616 aways from becoming 15104.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Got it .. got it ... got it ... jeesh.

Got it .. got it ... got it ... jeesh.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is why 58163 doesn't exist at all. Got it!!!!
Not even in the past? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now you're learning, my man. 🙂[b]
you're not good at picking up on sarcasm.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]What do I care if Trick and Kandy "get" something they never even read before.
Reported for trolling. 🙂

Sorry, kneejerk reaction. People don't agree with your interpritations so naturally they haven't read it.

Do you even know who we are?

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's actually funny. 😆

Gibberish.

To you, because you don't want to see the truth. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk

Here since you don't seem to know this word.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retroactively
retroactively
One entry found.

retroactive

Main Entry: ret·ro·ac·tive
Pronunciation: \-&#712;ak-tiv\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French rétroactif, from Latin retroactus, past participle of retroagere to drive back, reverse, from retro- + agere to drive — more at agent
Date: 1611
: extending in scope or effect to a prior time or to conditions that existed or originated in the past; especially : made effective as of a date prior to enactment, promulgation, or imposition <retroactive tax>
— ret·ro·ac·tive·ly adverb
— ret·ro·ac·tiv·i·ty \-&#716;ak-&#712;ti-v&#601;-tç\ noun

Get it?

According to your logic: House of M never existed.


Yea, I get this post has absolutely nothing to do with Marvel comics,
or the debate on hand. 🙂

I think you're just trying to distract attention elsewhere,
where you think you dominate by posting info completely unrelated.

Nice try, actually, an eerie reminder of someone.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Cause haey, don't ignore this part: "causing it to cease to exist." Meaning that she wiped out 15104 by absorbing it.. then she reached into the past (616) and forced scott to stay.


Wow, we can agree on something! 👆

That's what I've been saying and proving with On Panel and Handbook proof.

Jean took 15104, and nullified it, by mind raping Scott.

Scottt, who was the inadvertent power behind the divergence,
and the nullification.

Originally posted by Creshosk

But you have to ignore that due to your hate-on for jean.


More gibberish, at this point you reached a wall,
so let's get personal.

I'll leave that game to you,
I admit, you'll outshine me there, that simply doesn't gibe me pleasyre,
but hey, whatever makes you grin.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Don't be hypocritical Mister. You ignore that which doesn't suit you as well, so I'm inentionally being obtuse and seeing only what I want to see in your tesxt.. just like you do.


At-least you're admitting you're just purposely wasting my time.

This does it for ya doesn't? .. kinky boy. 😛

Originally posted by Creshosk

A divergent timeline's past is still the timeline it diverged from.


Inconsequential to HOM.
Originally posted by Creshosk

Just like how 616 WAS 15104.


Nah, In HOM ... Wanda literally remade the actual 616 Universe,
she transformed the 616 reality into her image.

Stated On Panel, (the # 616) something you will NEVER be able to do with HCT.

In HCT, Scott makes a decision,
and this forces divergence that creates a separate Timeline 150 years in the future.
The Jean mind raped Scott before he made the decision, changed his decison,
and this nullified reality 15104.

Mega difference. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk

And Jean forced 616 aways from becoming 15104.


Nah, unlike Wanda who dealt with the actual 616 Universe,
which is why her HOM arc was involved in every major 616 title.

Jean, thorugh Scott, ensured that at-least ONE possible future did not come to pass.

But it was always just a possible future, never a definite one.

This is why not a single other soul besides X-Men appeard in HOM,
and why HCT was solely constricted into HCT, and NO where else.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Sorry, kneejerk reaction.
People don't agree with your interpritations so naturally they haven't read it.

Do you even know who we are?

To you, because you don't want to see the truth.


Irrelevant to the debate.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, I get this post has absolutely nothing to do with Marvel comics,
or the debate on hand. 🙂
See? ifgnoring that which proves you wrong.. You're alot like that alfheim fellow that thought that Punisher with a green lantern ring could take Darkseid.

whenever something proves you wrong you say it has nothing to do with what's going on.. All that shows is a concrete lack of understanding of the relevance, not that its irrelevant.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think you're just trying to distract attention elsewhere,
where you think you dominate by posting info completely unrelated.
😆

Say it with me here Mister... HCT retroactively became 15104 after Jean force scotts mind to change.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice try, actually, an eerie reminder of someone.
eh?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wow, we can agree on something! 👆
No, you obviously don't understand what I said if you think we agree...

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's what I've been saying and proving with On Panel and Handbook proof.
Noo... you've been saying that HCT was 15104 without jean's involvment. You've been downplaying Jean's involvment. She forced the divergence. She amputated the future, she prevented it from happening. She ensured that that future would NOT happen.

She went back into the past, cut off HCT (then 616), Abosrbed it. then reached itnto the past and regrew 616's future in a way that it wou;d NOT become 15104. 15104 is NOT a possible future.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jean took 15104, and nullified it, by mind raping Scott.
and it BECAME 15104 when she did that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scottt, who was the inadvertent power behind the divergence,
and the nullification.
So I guess Jean wasn't needed... without her to amputate HCT from the timeline, and without her to "mind rape" scott.. things would have been just fine...

Begging the question fallacy Mr Master.... You still need to answer the question: If she hadn't done what she did, what do YOU think would have happened?

Or are you going to ignore this question yet again?

Originally posted by Mr Master
More gibberish, at this point you reached a wall,
so let's get personal.

I'll leave that game to you,
I admit, you'll outshine me there, that simply doesn't gibe me pleasyre,
but hey, whatever makes you grin.

Indeed you are in denial and cannot see what you say. Seriously.. you contradict yourself so badly:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jean took 15104, and nullified it
Originally posted by Mr Master
Scottt, who was the inadvertent power behind the divergence,
and the nullification.

So who nullified it? Scott or Jean?

Scott reached into the past and amputated, absorbed and nullified 15104?

That doesn't make any sense... what could POSSIBLY make you say that?

Same ol, same ol, still got nothing!

.........................................................................................

No one time travelled in HCT,
this is why the story is situated in an Alternate. Timeline.

This is the thing,
if a story begins in a separate point in Time (whether it's the Future OR Past)
said story is located in a separate Timeline.

.........................................................................................

There's no assurance that 616 would ever become 15104.

For there's a slew of Realities taking place Far beyond 150 years as we speak,
all these Realities are "Possible Future Timelines"

.........................................................................................

========= LIKE THIS ONE YALL =============

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

.........................................................................................

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

All this back and forth, and this arc isn't even canon to WC Jean Grey

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

.........................................................................................

This explains WHY Here Comes Tomorrow
has absolutely NOTHING to do with 616 Jean WC Phoenix in her 2008 Bio or any bio.

In fact, HCT is completely ignored!

1. "Jean was killed (by Xorneto)
by a lethal EMP that shattered the PF into billions of pieces."

2. "While incubating in the WHR,
the Force was later ripped back to reality by a Shiar device,
that forcibly reconstituted it"

3. "The Force fell to Earth .. it searched for Jean and, finding her dead"

.........................................................................................

Finding her DEAD! ... LOL! ...

I thought Jean was manipulating 616 in Here Comes Tomorrow,
not even 15104 evidently... lol,
I thought Jean was at-least alive during Here Comes Tomorrow.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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On Panel verification:

.........................................................................................

(New X-Men #150) ... right before it transitions in What If world.

1:

Jean (almighty Phoenix)
getting murdered by a freakin Electric Magnetic Pulse,
and the Force itself getting blown into Billions of pieces by said EMP:

(Endsong #1)

The embodiment of the Phoenix Force,
recognized it's been blown into Billions of pieces by an EMP:

.........................................................................................

(Endsong #1)

2:

Shiar device did in fact rip it back to reality, and forced it's reconstitution:

.........................................................................................

(Endsong #1)

3:

Jean was still in her grave, DEAD as a door nail, from the EMP
the Force was still incubating healing from the EMP
yet somehow between the EMP and Endsong Jean was manipulating 616 ... LOL!!!
actually, never happened.

........................................................................................

Wow, had I known this before, I would've saved my self a lot of time.

Here Comes Tomorrow?

Ha! ... HCT has nothing do to with 616 Jean,
616 Jean was in a grave, DEAD!
HCT has nothing to do with the Phoenix Force of the 616 Universe,
the 616 Phoenix Force was still healing (incubating in fact) in the WHR,
which means it was completely in-affective.

This is what Morrison thought of that Reality, through the eyes of Quintin:

"If it was me, I'd just let it die"

.............................................................................

If that was 616,
what Quintin is daring to state is:

"if it was me, I'd just let ALL of Marvel die"

.............................................................................

WHY?

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616 dies, everything dies:

.....................................................................................................

Uatu and the Watcher realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.

We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "

..................................................................................

Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"

Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

..................................................................................

..................................................................................................

According to some, this is supposed to be 616,
well we already know it isn't, but let's entertain the thought.

Like how, Quentin refers to This Reality as if it were insignificant:

"If it was me, I'd just let it die"

Hmm, I'll just let the Prime Reality ... (616) ... (foundation of all Creation) ... die. dontgetit

..................................................................................................

Still the SAME Reality that was always in her hands since,

"Did I have to fix something that was dying? ... WHAT IS IT?"

Now Jean helps it grow a "New Future" like Quentin said,
to "REPLACE" the one she cut away, like Quentin said word for word.

She mind rapes Scott on 616 from withIN the WHR,
and as yall saw,
even Betsy can connect with her Alternates across TimelineS with a thought,
withOUT the need to manifest said Realities they reside in.

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http://en.marveldatabase.com/Henry_McCoy#Henry_McCoy_.28Earth-15104.29

Henry McCoy (Earth-15104)

"Phoenix converge and absorbed the entire alternate future into it,
causing it to cease to exist.
She then psychically reached backwards in time to encourage Cyclops to "live",
to accept Emma Frost's love and thus remain at the Institute;
as a result,
the original timeline that led to Sublime's possession of the Beast has been negated."

Unless you're suggesting that the original Timeline,
as you wish it to be 616,
was nullified.

😆

Have a good night dogs, tired of wasting time.

Let me know when you actually post some proof of something,
anything that has to do with the debate.

Then perhaps, I'll take you off ignore,
but for luring me into your game, I have to put you back in the list.

Peace, and good luck.

Originally posted by Mr Master
At-least you're admitting you're just purposely wasting my time.

This does it for ya doesn't? .. kinky boy. 😛

Come on, I know you're smarter than this.. or am I giving you too much credit?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Inconsequential to HOM.
I agree, it does prove you wrong doesn't it? 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, In HOM ... Wanda literally remade the actual 616 Universe,
she transformed the 616 reality into her image.

Stated On Panel, (the # 616) something you will NEVER be able to do with HCT.

Because you don't get how temporal mechanics works..

Suppose for one second that you're wrong... Suppose that HCT WAS 616 BEFORE Jean amputated it from 616.

By forcing 616 to go down a different path... that would make what HCT a different designation wouldn't it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
In HCT, Scott makes a decision,
and this forces divergence that creates a separate Timeline 150 years in the future.
No, Jean made the change to the timeline, Not scott. Scott doesn't have the power to reach into the past. Jean did Obviously, because she did. On panel.

What would be the point of Jean reaching into the past to change 616 if it was SCOTT who made the divergence?

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Jean mind raped Scott before he made the decision, changed his decison,
[ And THAT is what caused the divergence.

Without Jean to force him to stay he wouldn't have stayed. That should be a blatantly obvious statement. "If jean hadn't done something, that something wouldn't have been done."

Yet you seem to think it would. Jean didn't force him to leave, thus creating 15104. Jean forced him to stay thus preventing 15104 from occuring.

Had she NOT forced him to stay, he would have left, and thus 616 would have had the sublime infection.

Originally posted by Mr Master
and this nullified reality 15104.

Mega difference. 🙂

Only due to your lakck of understanding do you think this.

You still haven't answered the question: What do you think would have happened if Jean HAD NOT interfered. If Jean hadn't forced scott to stay, do you think he would have stayed?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, unlike Wanda who dealt with the actual 616 Universe,
which is why her HOM arc was involved in every major 616 title.
Because it didn't invovle other titles, it didn't happen?

Gee then that would mean that any even that was NOT a major multi title event didn't happen.

Bad logic of yours.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jean, thorugh Scott, ensured that at-least ONE possible future did not come to pass.
Yes JEAN ensured it. Scott was not the power behind the change. Scott was the focus.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But it was always just a possible future, never a definite one.
That's where you're wrong... begging the question fallacy.

What would have happened if Jean had done nothing?

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is why not a single other soul besides X-Men appeard in HOM,
and why HCT was solely constricted into HCT, and NO where else.
Again, just because an event doesn't occur in multiple titles doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Avengers disassembled ever invoved an X-Title... guess it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Irrelevant to the debate.
🙄

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same ol, same ol, still got nothing!

.........................................................................................

No one time travelled in HCT,
this is why the story is situated in an Alternate. Timeline.

This is the thing,
if a story begins in a separate point in Time (whether it's the Future OR Past)
said story is located in a separate Timeline.

.........................................................................................

There's no assurance that 616 would ever become 15104.

For there's a slew of Realities taking place Far beyond 150 years as we speak,
all these Realities are "Possible Future Timelines"

.........................................................................................

========= LIKE THIS ONE YALL =============

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D [b]in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

......................................................................................... [/B]

And where does it say that HCT was a possible future?

That's why this scan is irrelevant.

811 and 512 are better examples. as they both WERE 616 until an event in the past made them their new designates retroactively.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same ol, same ol, still got nothing!

.........................................................................................

No one time travelled in HCT,
this is why the story is situated in an Alternate. Timeline.

This is the thing,
if a story begins in a separate point in Time (whether it's the Future OR Past)
said story is located in a separate Timeline.

.........................................................................................

There's no assurance that 616 would ever become 15104.

For there's a slew of Realities taking place Far beyond 150 years as we speak,
all these Realities are "Possible Future Timelines"

.........................................................................................

========= LIKE THIS ONE YALL =============

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D [b]in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

......................................................................................... [/B]

And where does it say that HCT was a possible future?

That's why this scan is irrelevant.

811 and 512 are better examples. as they both WERE 616 until an event in the past made them their new designates retroactively.

Originally posted by Mr Master
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

All this back and forth, and this arc isn't even canon to WC Jean Grey

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

.........................................................................................

[b]This explains WHY Here Comes Tomorrow
has absolutely NOTHING to do with 616 Jean WC Phoenix in her 2008 Bio or any bio.

In fact, HCT is completely ignored!

1. "Jean was killed (by Xorneto)
by a lethal EMP that shattered the PF into billions of pieces."

2. "While incubating in the WHR,
the Force was later ripped back to reality by a Shiar device,
that forcibly reconstituted it"

3. "The Force fell to Earth .. it searched for Jean and, finding her dead"

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Finding her DEAD! ... LOL! ...

I thought Jean was manipulating 616 in Here Comes Tomorrow,
not even 15104 evidently... lol,
I thought Jean was at-least alive during Here Comes Tomorrow.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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On Panel verification:

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(New X-Men #150) ... right before it transitions in What If world.

1:

Jean (almighty Phoenix)
getting murdered by a freakin Electric Magnetic Pulse,
and the Force itself getting blown into Billions of pieces by said EMP:

(Endsong #1)

The embodiment of the Phoenix Force,
recognized it's been blown into Billions of pieces by an EMP:

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(Endsong #1)

2:

Shiar device did in fact rip it back to reality, and forced it's reconstitution:

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(Endsong #1)

3:

Jean was still in her grave, DEAD as a door nail, from the EMP
the Force was still incubating healing from the EMP
yet somehow between the EMP and Endsong Jean was manipulating 616 ... LOL!!!
actually, never happened.

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Wow, had I known this before, I would've saved my self a lot of time.

Here Comes Tomorrow?

Ha! ... HCT has nothing do to with 616 Jean,
616 Jean was in a grave, DEAD!
HCT has nothing to do with the Phoenix Force of the 616 Universe,
the 616 Phoenix Force was still healing (incubating in fact) in the WHR,
which means it was completely in-affective. [/B]

Thank you for ignoring your own handbook... Notice where it says that it reunites with her fully and returns to the white hot room?

Again, using handbooks is fail on KMC, you're reported for trolling.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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http://en.marveldatabase.com/Henry_McCoy#Henry_McCoy_.28Earth-15104.29

Henry McCoy (Earth-15104)

"Phoenix converge and absorbed the entire [b]alternate future into it,
causing it to cease to exist.
She then psychically reached backwards in time to encourage Cyclops to "live",
to accept Emma Frost's love and thus remain at the Institute;
as a result,
the original timeline that led to Sublime's possession of the Beast has been negated."

Unless you're suggesting that the original Timeline,
as you wish it to be 616,
was nullified.

😆 [/B]

Strawman fallacy.

Only 15104 was nullified, AFTER it became 15104.
BEFORE it was amputated it was 616.

it was amputated, and then nullified. Not nullified and then amputated.

Quit ignoring on panel evidence.