Originally posted by Sol Valentine
I was looking down at myself, and I was screaming 'Wake the **** up dear child!!!!' to myself. and I thought I was dead.I tried walking, butit felt like comething was chaining me to the ground cuz I ws supposed to wake myself up.
that is a very well understood phenomena called sleep paralysis
all psychic phenomena is merely the misinterpretation of normally mundane psychological activity.
Originally posted by inimalist
its not true and they don'tdon't believe everything you read on the internet /sigh
it is true and they do. ocourse, that is my personal expirience and logically shudnt stand as evidence for the world.
as for the second part, i dont, but i am also sure about what i have said.
Originally posted by inimalist
that is a very well understood phenomena called sleep paralysisall psychic phenomena is merely the misinterpretation of normally mundane psychological activity.
i agree for the most part on the first point. same goes for the second point. most are fakes. but there are the rare exceptions.
Originally posted by Zebedee
You can prove that, can you? The CIA believed in it,
prove which?
That people waking up in a state where they are unable to move accompanied by mild hallucination is a well understood phenomenon called sleep paralysis? Sure, of course I can.
Can I prove that any person who thinks they have psychic powers is wrong? Of course, find them and we can test them.
Yes, during the 1970s there was a huge surge in woo belief, and some idiots at the CIA got it into their head that the Russians were going to get a jump on them in psychic phenomena. The same way they believed that it was impossible for the Soviet Union to fall apart, and their collapsing economy and military was a ruse used to trick them, and that they really had super advanced technology. The CIA was dumb at this point.
Much like the CIA tests with LSD, the remote viewing was a catastrophe. You can read different stories on the internet if you want to, there is freedom of speech, but the simple fact is that the phenomena doesn't exist and remote viewers perform no better than chance.
Originally posted by inimalist
prove which?That people waking up in a state where they are unable to move accompanied by mild hallucination is a well understood phenomenon called sleep paralysis? Sure, of course I can.
Can I prove that any person who thinks they have psychic powers is wrong? Of course, find them and we can test them.
Yes, during the 1970s there was a huge surge in woo belief, and some idiots at the CIA got it into their head that the Russians were going to get a jump on them in psychic phenomena. The same way they believed that it was impossible for the Soviet Union to fall apart, and their collapsing economy and military was a ruse used to trick them, and that they really had super advanced technology. The CIA was dumb at this point.
Much like the CIA tests with LSD, the remote viewing was a catastrophe. You can read different stories on the internet if you want to, there is freedom of speech, but the simple fact is that the phenomena doesn't exist and remote viewers perform no better than chance.
The CIA are supposedly still running Stargate.
Does sleep paralysis always have hallucinations related to it. Link to reputable paper please. So it took the CIA 20 years to show viewers perform no better than chance? O.K. 😖hifty:
Can you prove all out of body experiences are unreal.
Originally posted by Zebedee
I see, so you think panic attacks can cause out of body experiences do you have a link to a paper theorising this Dulcie?
The out-of body experience: precipitating factors and neural correlates.
Bünning S, Blanke O.
Laboratory of Cognitive Neuroscience, Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL), Lausanne, Switzerland.
Progress in brain research, 2005;150:331-50.
Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) are defined as experiences in which a person seems to be awake and sees his body and the world from a location outside his physical body. More precisely, they can be defined by the presence of the following three phenomenological characteristics: (i) disembodiment (location of the self outside one's body); (ii) the impression of seeing the world from an elevated and distanced visuo-spatial perspective (extracorporeal, but egocentric visuo-spatial perspective); and (iii) the impression of seeing one's own body (autoscopy) from this perspective. OBEs have fascinated mankind from time immemorial and are abundant in folklore, mythology, and spiritual experiences of most ancient and modern societies. Here, we review some of the classical precipitating factors of OBEs such as sleep, drug abuse, and general anesthesia as well as their neurobiology and compare them with recent findings on neurological and neurocognitive mechanisms of OBEs. The reviewed data suggest that OBEs are due to functional disintegration of lower-level multisensory processing and abnormal higher-level self-processing at the temporo-parietal junction. We argue that the experimental investigation of the interactions between these multisensory and cognitive mechanisms in OBEs and related illusions in combination with neuroimaging and behavioral techniques might further our understanding of the central mechanisms of corporal awareness and self-consciousness much as previous research about the neural bases of complex body part illusions such as phantom limbs has done.
The experimental induction of out-of-body experiences.
Ehrsson HH.
Wellcome Trust Centre for Neuroimaging, Institute of Neurology, 12 Queen Square, London WC1N 3BG, UK. [email protected].
Science, 2007 Aug 24;317(5841):1048.
I report an illusion in which individuals experience that they are located outside their physical bodies and looking at their bodies from this perspective. This demonstrates that the experience of being localized within the physical body can be determined by the visual perspective in conjunction with correlated multisensory information from the body.
Originally posted by Zebedee
The CIA are supposedly still running Stargate.
don't believe everything you read on the internet. Apparently GW Bush is a shape shifting reptilian who eats babies
Originally posted by Zebedee
Does sleep paralysis always have hallucinations related to it. Link to reputable paper please.
no, not always, but there are many types of hallucinations that are associated with the states just before and after sleep states.
LOL, and you would know a reputable paper if it bit you in the ass?
Originally posted by Zebedee
So it took the CIA 20 years to show viewers perform no better than chance? O.K. 😖hifty:
I dont know how long it lasted, but ya, total waste of tax payer money.
Do you think an insurgency could survive in Iraq if the army had remote viewers, LOL, think for a second please.
How different would the world be if the government could watch you with psychic powers
Originally posted by Zebedee
Can you prove all out of body experiences are unreal.
see above
Originally posted by inimalist
[b]The out-of body experience: precipitating factors and neural correlates.Bünning S, Blanke O.
Laboratory of Cognitive Neuroscience, Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL), Lausanne, Switzerland.
Progress in brain research, 2005;150:331-50.
Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) are defined as experiences in which a person seems to be awake and sees his body and the world from a location outside his physical body. More precisely, they can be defined by the presence of the following three phenomenological characteristics: (i) disembodiment (location of the self outside one's body); (ii) the impression of seeing the world from an elevated and distanced visuo-spatial perspective (extracorporeal, but egocentric visuo-spatial perspective); and (iii) the impression of seeing one's own body (autoscopy) from this perspective. OBEs have fascinated mankind from time immemorial and are abundant in folklore, mythology, and spiritual experiences of most ancient and modern societies. Here, we review some of the classical precipitating factors of OBEs such as sleep, drug abuse, and general anesthesia as well as their neurobiology and compare them with recent findings on neurological and neurocognitive mechanisms of OBEs. The reviewed data suggest that OBEs are due to functional disintegration of lower-level multisensory processing and abnormal higher-level self-processing at the temporo-parietal junction. We argue that the experimental investigation of the interactions between these multisensory and cognitive mechanisms in OBEs and related illusions in combination with neuroimaging and behavioral techniques might further our understanding of the central mechanisms of corporal awareness and self-consciousness much as previous research about the neural bases of complex body part illusions such as phantom limbs has done.
The experimental induction of out-of-body experiences.
Ehrsson HH.
Wellcome Trust Centre for Neuroimaging, Institute of Neurology, 12 Queen Square, London WC1N 3BG, UK. [email protected].
Science, 2007 Aug 24;317(5841):1048.
I report an illusion in which individuals experience that they are located outside their physical bodies and looking at their bodies from this perspective. This demonstrates that the experience of being localized within the physical body can be determined by the visual perspective in conjunction with correlated multisensory information from the body. [/B]
Notice the use of the words Suspects and Argue
This is also only an opinion. I would like to see empirical, definitive evidence to support these conclusions.
You do realise it's a theory?
Originally posted by Zebedee
I see, so you think panic attacks can cause out of body experiences do you have a link to a paper theorising this Dulcie?
I didn't say directly that panic attacks can cause OBE, it makes you see things, that covers OBE. I have my textbooks, I can scan them if you speak Hungarian. Unfortunately, I can't send you my brain which I made this conclusion with based on things I know.
So, all you need to believe that something's true is a link?
Originally posted by Zebedee
Notice the use of the words [B]Suspects and Argue
This is also only an opinion. I would like to see empirical, definitive evidence to support these conclusions.You do realise it's a theory? [/B]
🙄
"I report an illusion in which individuals experience that they are located outside their physical bodies and looking at their bodies from this perspective. This demonstrates that the experience of being localized within the physical body can be determined by the visual perspective in conjunction with correlated multisensory information from the body."
they did an experiment, they gave people out of body experiences
Originally posted by Dulcie
I didn't say directly that panic attacks can cause OBE, it makes you see things, that covers OBE. I have my textbooks, I can scan them if you speak Hungarian. Unfortunately, I can't send you my brain which I made this conclusion with based on things I know.So, all you need to believe that something's true is a link?
Try sending your brain Dulcie. If we both concentrate really hard who knows what will happen. Hungarian girls are hot!
Originally posted by inimalist
🙄"I report an illusion in which individuals experience that they are located outside their physical bodies and looking at their bodies from this perspective. This demonstrates that the experience of being localized within the physical body can be determined by the visual perspective in conjunction with correlated multisensory information from the body."
they did an experiment, they gave people out of body experiences
So how do we know these were true "out of body experiences" as they were created. Obviously by creating a false out of body experience you will get a false result.
Then of course observation in psychological experiments often affects the result or so the theory goes. In fact it goes for all experiments.
Originally posted by Zebedee
So how do we know these were true "out of body experiences" as they were created. Obviously by creating a false out of body experience you will get a false result.Then of course observation in psychological experiments often affects the result or so the theory goes. In fact it goes for all experiments.
lol
so, you can keep whatever belief system you want. OBEs are a psychological phenomena. Psychic powers don't exist.
Oh, try not to say anything else about psychological experiments, you are horribly ignorant
Linking out-of-body experience and self processing to mental own-body imagery at the temporoparietal junction.
Blanke O, Mohr C, Michel CM, Pascual-Leone A, Brugger P, Seeck M, Landis T, Thut G.
Functional Brain Mapping Laboratory, Department of Neurology, University Hospital, 1211 Geneva, Switzerland. [email protected]
Journal of Neuroscience, 2005 Jan 19;25(3):550-7.
The spatial unity of self and body is challenged by various philosophical considerations and several phenomena, perhaps most notoriously the "out-of-body experience" (OBE) during which one's visual perspective and one's self are experienced to have departed from their habitual position within one's body. Although researchers started examining isolated aspects of the self, the neurocognitive processes of OBEs have not been investigated experimentally to further our understanding of the self. With the use of evoked potential mapping, we show the selective activation of the temporoparietal junction (TPJ) at 330-400 ms after stimulus onset when healthy volunteers imagined themselves in the position and visual perspective that generally are reported by people experiencing spontaneous OBEs. Interference with the TPJ by transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) at this time impaired mental transformation of one's own body in healthy volunteers relative to TMS over a control site. No such TMS effect was observed for imagined spatial transformations of external objects, suggesting the selective implication of the TPJ in mental imagery of one's own body. Finally, in an epileptic patient with OBEs originating from the TPJ, we show partial activation of the seizure focus during mental transformations of her body and visual perspective mimicking her OBE perceptions. These results suggest that the TPJ is a crucial structure for the conscious experience of the normal self, mediating spatial unity of self and body, and also suggest that impaired processing at the TPJ may lead to pathological selves such as OBEs.
Do you think an insurgency could survive in Iraq if the army had remote viewers, LOL, think for a second please.
dont beleive everything you read in the news. specially western media. insurgency ins practically non existant, more a myth than anything. the american government covertly perpetuates the war while making it seem like al-qaeda is responsible for everything bad in the world.
and i dunno how much significance it deserves. but uri geller said on aljazeera that the US found saddam hiding in that god forsaken ditch in the middle of nowhere by using remote viewers. ofcourse he is possibly a sham. but then again, he was tested and in emplyement of the cia and meets with world leaders etc and consults for the security agencies.
How different would the world be if the government could watch you with psychic powers
what makes u think they are not already watching?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont beleive everything you read in the news. specially western media. insurgency ins practically non existant, more a myth than anything. the american government covertly perpetuates the war while making it seem like al-qaeda is responsible for everything bad in the world.and i dunno how much significance it deserves. but uri geller said on aljazeera that the US found saddam hiding in that god forsaken ditch in the middle of nowhere by using remote viewers. ofcourse he is possibly a sham. but then again, he was tested and in emplyement of the cia and meets with world leaders etc and consults for the security agencies.
what makes u think they are not already watching?
omfg, im arguing with conspiracy theorists and whackos
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont beleive everything you read in the news. specially western media. insurgency ins practically non existant, more a myth than anything. the american government covertly perpetuates the war while making it seem like al-qaeda is responsible for everything bad in the world.and i dunno how much significance it deserves. but uri geller said on aljazeera that the US found saddam hiding in that god forsaken ditch in the middle of nowhere by using remote viewers. ofcourse he is possibly a sham. but then again, he was tested and in emplyement of the cia and meets with world leaders etc and consults for the security agencies.
what makes u think they are not already watching?
Looks like someone forgot to take their meds.
Originally posted by inimalist
omfg, im arguing with conspiracy theorists and whackos
just so you know. i would only be considered a conspiracy theorist in america/canada/britian/france/australia/ parts of south korea/parts of mexico and maybe the scandanavian countries. the rest of the world knows what the superpowers are doing. labelling sumthin as a "conspiracy thory" is a nice political tool of crushing curiosity among people through social pressure, or questioning.
as for the wacko part, you are entitled to ur own oppinion. i am a sceptic beleive it or not. i just go by evidence.