Originally posted by leonheartmm
just so you know. i would only be considered a conspiracy theorist in america/canada/britian/france/australia/ parts of south korea/parts of mexico and maybe the scandanavian countries.
So the only countries in the world with proper educational establishments, democracy, or a free media....
Sure, you would fit right in with the holocaust denying Iranians.
However, I wouldn't agree, because I don't think so little of the intellect of people in other parts of the world
Originally posted by inimalist
So the only countries in the world with proper educational establishments, democracy, or a free media....Sure, you would fit right in with the holocaust denying Iranians.
However, I wouldn't agree, because I don't think so little of the intellect of people in other parts of the world
eductaion=true. however, do not forget that there are tons of other places which also hav just as "proper" educational establishments.
democracy= no no. the way democracy is seen in the west is choosing your dictater. there are laws which try and prevent them from doing wrong but those are neither followed completely norhave much to do with "democracy". the only candidates for a democratic system are rich powerful people with political influence, powerful allies and money enough to run their campaigns.
as far as iran goes. not all iranis are like that. many are and they are idiotic. however not even close to the tyrranical ruthlessly extremist israeli government which regularly murders innocent civilians, occupies land, keeps good human beings caged up like animals and commits humanitarian atrocities on a regular basis.
as for the rest of iran{the greater majority which generally goes unheard by the western media}. they only really wear the hijaab in the streets. hell go to tehran, the second women get inside, they rip off the over garment and most wear miniskirts and are extremely liberal/party animals{hard to beleive but true}. infact i wud say there are almost as many parties in developed iran as europe. its just not outside. for most people, the rules of the ayatollah are there because they feal some guilt, similar to what a partying catholic in college woudl feal. doesnt stop em from partying but he still goes to church from time to time to repent{just like they wear the veil to eleviate the sumwhat guilty conciounce}. but even that is going out of favour these days as people become less relegious.
and you talk as if bush isnt an extremist christian or america isnt filled with extremist. seeing as over 40% of americans beleive the earth is less than 4000 years old, i dont see the difference.
fact is, good and bad people exist everywhere. but only those in power can make themselves look like they are specofically good and the wrest of the world completely bad for their own gains.
Originally posted by inimalist
lolso, you can keep whatever belief system you want. OBEs are a psychological phenomena. Psychic powers don't exist.
Oh, try not to say anything else about psychological experiments, you are horribly ignorant
[b]Linking out-of-body experience and self processing to mental own-body imagery at the temporoparietal junction.
Blanke O, Mohr C, Michel CM, Pascual-Leone A, Brugger P, Seeck M, Landis T, Thut G.
Functional Brain Mapping Laboratory, Department of Neurology, University Hospital, 1211 Geneva, Switzerland. [email protected]
Journal of Neuroscience, 2005 Jan 19;25(3):550-7.
The spatial unity of self and body is challenged by various philosophical considerations and several phenomena, perhaps most notoriously the "out-of-body experience" (OBE) during which one's visual perspective and one's self are experienced to have departed from their habitual position within one's body. Although researchers started examining isolated aspects of the self, the neurocognitive processes of OBEs have not been investigated experimentally to further our understanding of the self. With the use of evoked potential mapping, we show the selective activation of the temporoparietal junction (TPJ) at 330-400 ms after stimulus onset when healthy volunteers imagined themselves in the position and visual perspective that generally are reported by people experiencing spontaneous OBEs. Interference with the TPJ by transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) at this time impaired mental transformation of one's own body in healthy volunteers relative to TMS over a control site. No such TMS effect was observed for imagined spatial transformations of external objects, suggesting the selective implication of the TPJ in mental imagery of one's own body. Finally, in an epileptic patient with OBEs originating from the TPJ, we show partial activation of the seizure focus during mental transformations of her body and visual perspective mimicking her OBE perceptions. These results suggest that the TPJ is a crucial structure for the conscious experience of the normal self, mediating spatial unity of self and body, and also suggest that impaired processing at the TPJ may lead to pathological selves such as OBEs. [/B]
As I stated it's giving results based on the criteria they are using. It doesn't explain the 24 Year American military remote viewing program.
http://www.psiexplorer.com/stargate.htm
Notice the words suggesting and observed. It's a theory, based on the criteria set for the experiment.
Do I know better than getting into this, sure I do.
Do I have anything better to do right now, of course.
Am I going to be mature and just ignore all this, **** no.
So, here is where we are. Posted as proof of Remote viewings or whatever:
1) http://www.subversiveelement.com/Mi..._Star_Gate.html
-The title of the webpage is "mind control home" which should instantly discredit it as a valid or objective source.
-It contains the phrase right at the end -> "The final recommendations of the AIR (American Institute of Research) was to terminate the Stargate project. CIA concluded that there was no case in which ESP had been used to guide intelligence operations."
-Even the most rosy coloured analysis of the data showed a 15% success rate for the people who were supposedly the government's best remote viewers, and even this stat was drawn into question by a more skeptical statistical analysis.
2) http://www.remoteviewinghistory.com...-institute.html
-Title of the website is "The history of remote viewing", again, making it immediately a biased source.
- To its credit, it has a bibliography. However, one look at the references casts serious doubt on the entire paper. of the 23 citations, 3 are from the 90s (all 3 from 1995, and related to the same document. One was the AIR statement saying that the project should be shut down, another was a press release about that document, and the last was a discovery video about the document), there were 7 from the 80's and 13 from the 70's. Of the 23, only 5 come from reputable peer review journals, 2 from a computer engineering journal dated from 76 and 82, one from a physics journal in 86 (which was an article about quantum consciousness, an idea given almost no credit in modern neuroscience), one was the AIR report, which came out against remote viewing, and the last was an entry from Nature, which is a damn good periodical, however it is dated to 74, back in the hayday of psychic research.
3) http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p...&fr=cb-hp06
-this is a yahoo search result... Do I need to say more?
4) http://www.psiexplorer.com/stargate.htm
-The title of the site is "psi explorer", again, clear bias.
-no citations, same BS
However, in response, I have posted the abstracts from controlled experiments where out of body situations have been simulated, they come from:
1) Progress in Brain Research
2) Science
3) Journal of Neuroscience
Each article was written in the past decade. It uses modern technology. And the best argument you have against it is that it is only a theory.
Well sir, I don't think I can make this any clearer. You are retarded, you don't know what you are talking about, your info is useless, you don't understand the first thing about science, and you are wasting the precious human air supply.
Originally posted by inimalist
Do I know better than getting into this, sure I do.
Do I have anything better to do right now, of course.
Am I going to be mature and just ignore all this, **** no.So, here is where we are. Posted as proof of Remote viewings or whatever:
1) http://www.subversiveelement.com/Mi..._Star_Gate.html
-The title of the webpage is "mind control home" which should instantly discredit it as a valid or objective source.
-It contains the phrase right at the end -> "The final recommendations of the AIR (American Institute of Research) was to terminate the Stargate project. CIA concluded that there was no case in which ESP had been used to guide intelligence operations."
-Even the most rosy coloured analysis of the data showed a 15% success rate for the people who were supposedly the government's best remote viewers, and even this stat was drawn into question by a more skeptical statistical analysis.2) http://www.remoteviewinghistory.com...-institute.html
-Title of the website is "The history of remote viewing", again, making it immediately a biased source.
- To its credit, it has a bibliography. However, one look at the references casts serious doubt on the entire paper. of the 23 citations, 3 are from the 90s (all 3 from 1995, and related to the same document. One was the AIR statement saying that the project should be shut down, another was a press release about that document, and the last was a discovery video about the document), there were 7 from the 80's and 13 from the 70's. Of the 23, only 5 come from reputable peer review journals, 2 from a computer engineering journal dated from 76 and 82, one from a physics journal in 86 (which was an article about quantum consciousness, an idea given almost no credit in modern neuroscience), one was the AIR report, which came out against remote viewing, and the last was an entry from Nature, which is a damn good periodical, however it is dated to 74, back in the hayday of psychic research.3) http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p...&fr=cb-hp06
-this is a yahoo search result... Do I need to say more?4) http://www.psiexplorer.com/stargate.htm
-The title of the site is "psi explorer", again, clear bias.
-no citations, same BSHowever, in response, I have posted the abstracts from controlled experiments where out of body situations have been simulated, they come from:
1) Progress in Brain Research
2) Science
3) Journal of NeuroscienceEach article was written in the past decade. It uses modern technology. And the best argument you have against it is that it is only a theory.
Well sir, I don't think I can make this any clearer. You are retarded, you don't know what you are talking about, your info is useless, you don't understand the first thing about science, and you are wasting the precious human air supply.
No one's sure
In 1995 the project was transferred to the CIA and a retrospective evaluation of the results was done. The CIA contracted the American Institutes for Research for this evaluation. An analysis conducted by Professor Jessica Utts showed a statistically significant effect, with gifted subjects scoring 5%-15% above chance, though subject reports included a large amount of irrelevant information, and when reports did seem on target they were vague and general in nature. [1] Professor Ray Hyman concluded a null result. Based upon both of their collected findings, the CIA followed the recommendation to terminate the 20 million dollar project.Time magazine stated in 1995 three full-time psychics were still working on a $500,000-a-year budget out of Fort Meade, Maryland, which would soon close up shop.
http://anson.ucdavis.edu/~utts/air2.html
My Scientist is also reputable.
🙂
Originally posted by Zebedee
No one's sureIn 1995 the project was transferred to the CIA and a retrospective evaluation of the results was done. The CIA contracted the American Institutes for Research for this evaluation. An analysis conducted by Professor Jessica Utts showed a statistically significant effect, with gifted subjects scoring 5%-15% above chance, though subject reports included a large amount of irrelevant information, and when reports did seem on target they were vague and general in nature. [1] Professor Ray Hyman concluded a null result. Based upon both of their collected findings, the CIA followed the recommendation to terminate the 20 million dollar project.Time magazine stated in 1995 three full-time psychics were still working on a $500,000-a-year budget out of Fort Meade, Maryland, which would soon close up shop.
http://anson.ucdavis.edu/~utts/air2.html
My Scientist is also reputable.
🙂
so what, you are arguing my point against me now?
I never said the CIA didn't do research, I said the research was bunk and they closed up. Which is exactly what that says.
Originally posted by inimalist
so what, you are arguing my point against me now?I never said the CIA didn't do research, I said the research was bunk and they closed up. Which is exactly what that says.
No it says one of the two scientists found it statistically valid the other did not. It means the jury was out but the gains were not financially justifiable.
This one felt and still feels it was statistically valid.
http://anson.ucdavis.edu/~utts/air2.html
🙂
Originally posted by Dulcie
Why are you ignoring the true meaning of what I say?
What I mean is, they are human, mortals, like us, not some perfect robot geniuses. They can make mistakes.
You mean like in the isolation of Russia in recent years from previous Warsaw pack nations leading to the present resurgence in cold war attitudes?