Originally posted by Karagiannis
you dont undertand me.you are saying that kami tenchi is omnipotent and beats goku.how do you know that did kame tenchi said that "i am omnipotent" he didnt!
You're arguement is completely retarded. By your "logic", Goku isn't omnipotent either because he himself didn't say he was and you've been claiming he is. You make people like Raigen and even Phenomenol look smart.
Originally posted by Esomark
You're arguement is completely retarded. By your "logic", Goku isn't omnipotent either because he himself didn't say he was and you've been claiming he is. You make people like Raigen and even Phenomenol look smart.
Have a question Bloddrain. If Babidi device stated that it takes a Kuri or 200-300 to destroy a planet and Goku is at 3000 that means he can destroy at least (the minimum) of 15 planet with a single blast. Why wouldn't a Super Saiyan 2 not be able to destroy a solar system if during each transformation they become 50 times more powerful? Just think about how many planets a Solar System have. Goku at Super Saiyan 1 alone could cause devistation to a Solar system.
Now with that said, if Goku could destroy that amount of planets, why wouldn't he be able to destroy a star? That's nonsense.
By the way, I'm rereading the manga, I will have these scans for you.
Sir, Rain is shorter and easier to say. Its stated in Daizenshuu 7 that SSJ1 is 50x base, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1 and SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. (Personally I thought it would be 50x each one as well)
In other words;
SSJ = 50x base
SSJ2 = 100x base
SSJ3 = 400x base
That is because a Neptune sized planet [which is 17xEarth's mass] is 1/20,000 the mass of a small star/the Sun. SSJ3 is in this theory 120-ish planets? Thats 120/20,000 aka 0.6% of the Sun's mass.
Kewl, can't wait.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Sir, Rain is shorter and easier to say. Its stated in Daizenshuu 7 that SSJ1 is 50x base, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1 and SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. (Personally I thought it would be 50x each one as well)
In other words;
SSJ = 50x base
SSJ2 = 100x base
SSJ3 = 400x baseThat is because a Neptune sized planet [which is 17xEarth's mass] is 1/20,000 the mass of a small star/the Sun. SSJ3 is in this theory 120-ish planets? Thats 120/20,000 aka 0.6% of the Sun's mass.
Kewl, can't wait.
So when Babidi was saying 200-300, 200 would be a small planet and 300 would be the largest of planets. That's still enough power to shed a star imo. It doesn't take much. Just one large explosion of unproportional measures could set off a star... Goku is capable of doing that. Again, if we don't include stars and we go by the chart of Babidi, Super Saiyan 1 Goku could lay waste to a solar system with a single blast if he really tried. Now a chain reaction should be able to also shed a star as well.
Where did you get the caculations for the Saiyans powering up? I thought a Saiyan should be 50 times more powerful during each transformation? Please show a scan.
Not really as he said planets in general, neither referring to the largest nor smallest. Thats not the way it works, the energy needed to destroy 15 mid planets is near whats needed for one large one. And destroying a large planet is 1/1,000,000th the energy needed for the Sun, so even if SSJ could destroy 125 large planets with SSJ3 at 1,000 large planets that would still only account for 0.1% needed.. and SSJ's only at 15 planets...
''It says that Super Saiyan 2 is twice as strong as regular Super Saiyan, and that Super Saiyan 3 is four times as strong as Super Saiyan 2.'' No, not translated by myself.
But did take a crack at it;
超サイヤ人 / 2 = Super Saiyan / 2
の2倍の強さ! = Twice the strength of..!
の4倍の強さ! = Four times the strength of..!
Originally posted by BloodRain
Not really as he said planets in general, neither referring to the largest nor smallest. Thats not the way it works, the energy needed to destroy 15 mid planets is near whats needed for one large one. And destroying a large planet is 1/1,000,000th the energy needed for the Sun, so even if SSJ could destroy 125 large planets with SSJ3 at 1,000 large planets that would still only account for 0.1% needed.. and SSJ's only at 15 planets...''It says that Super Saiyan 2 is twice as strong as regular Super Saiyan, and that Super Saiyan 3 is four times as strong as Super Saiyan 2.'' No, not translated by myself.
But did take a crack at it;
超サイヤ人 / 2 = Super Saiyan / 2
の2倍の強さ! = Twice the strength of..!
の4倍の強さ! = Four times the strength of..!
I believe you about the PL scale... you are a trust worthy/good debator.
As for your comment about being capable of destroying a star... I still believe that black hair Goku is capable of doing this since the only thing you really need to destroy one is a chain reaction.
Are you refering to the largest star or Earths sun? By the way, PL doesn't work in the caculations that you are presenting because if that was the case, Roshi and Piccolo (at his weakest) wouldn't have been able to destroy a moon (and Piccolo did it with a casual blast). Then we have Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga being able to destroy a planet the size of Earth (which was stated during his fight against Goku) and Vegeta only had a PL of 18000.
Cant see that happening due to sheer size. Like this, the best destructive feats we know of is Vegeta possibly blowing up a small one,(Earth) Frieza using his core technique to chain-burst a planet (Seen it on an Earth sized one, possible up to a Neptune level) and Buu doing his Buu thing.(Possible a Jupiter level as canon states he only destroyed hundreds of planets) Of coarse thats with visuals. We know from Kiri scale that SSJ Goku could have a force to destroy 15 planets, now compare the planets to the Sun. Imagine 15 Neptune's held up to the Sun, thats less than the size of the red patch at the bottom. If thats SSJ how could base Goku outperform this even with a chain-reaction? ..wait, does he even have a chain-reaction type attack?
1mil times a large planet is actually for a Red Dwarf star, for our Sun it would be 60mil times a large planet.
Difference is that Power Level/Combat Strength/Battle Power is based on how the character manages their KI, while Kiri is specifically to scale the energy output (IE destruction energy) that a character can produce. So the Kiri scale is more accurate when it comes to destruction.
