KH Sephiroth v.s. AC Sephiroth

Originally posted by Manslayer
That doesnt change the fact he had ample time to do it when he acknowledged the fact that cloud was going to omni slash him. Infact he has [b] more than enough time to do so. Don't be ridiculous and tell me that "oh so what if he had ample time, he was still toying with cloud".

Heres a hint at common sense, when you underestimate your enemies and they gain the upperhand and they get a chance to kill you,

1) would you be stupid and continue to "dick around" when you KNOW hes going to kill you
2) Or would you unleash what you have in your arsenal?

Its pure common sense, dont be ridiculous [/B]

Manslaying, Sephiroth was toying around with Cloud.

offical interveiw

"Also notable is that Sephiroth clearly flies, something that Kadaj and even Cloud cannot do. Further still, Sephiroth is much more powerful than Kadaj. During Cloud's battle with Kadaj, it was Kadaj that was on the defensive; he was clearly outmatched.In fact, Kadaj never so much as lands a single blow on Cloud. Sephiroth, however, had Cloud on the defensive during their entire battle and landed several hits against him and would have actually been able to end the fight by running Cloud through with his sword had he chosen to skewer him in a vital area rather than in his organless shoulder. While one might argue that absorbing JENOVA's extra remaining Cells made Kadaj more powerful, granting him the ability to fly, greater battle prowess than Cloud, and even a Masamune if he so wished it, there's also the very simple fact that Sephiroth does not have Kadaj's personality."

And he is part of the Lifestream now, meaning unless they work out a war of purifying it, Sephiroth will continue to exist in one form or another.

Sephiroth & Jenova

Sephiroth became the newest stage of evolution for Jenova, and anything "Jenova" does in the game's present day is simply Sephiroth invoking his new powers(UOG - "the will of Jenova as a human is the result of it consuming Sephiroth's spirit"😉. When Sephiroth came into the picture, the minds of the two joined, and Sephiroth made himself the core of the viral entity that Jenova was, with his ambitions being fueled by his desire to destroy all the humans he despised. Thus, his will manifested through Jenova's extensive psionic powers

Originally posted by Remindme
Manslaying, Sephiroth was toying around with Cloud.

That doesnt change the fact he had ample time to do it when he acknowledged the fact that cloud was going to omni slash him. Infact he has more than enough time to do so. Don't be ridiculous and tell me that "oh so what if he had ample time, he was still toying with cloud".

Heres a hint at common sense, when you underestimate your enemies and they gain the upperhand and they get a chance to kill you,

1) would you be stupid and continue to "dick around" when you KNOW hes going to kill you
2) Or would you unleash what you have in your arsenal?

Its pure common sense, dont be ridiculous

READ it, i clearly acknowledged he was toying with cloud

Originally posted by Manslayer
Oh my god do you actually read my arguements rather than post without even comprehending what i just said? You just came up with something totally [b]irrelevant

That doesnt change the fact he had ample time to do it when he acknowledged the fact that cloud was going to omni slash him. Infact he has more than enough time to do so. Don't be ridiculous and tell me that "oh so what if he had ample time, he was still toying with cloud".

Heres a hint at common sense, when you underestimate your enemies and they gain the upperhand and they get a chance to kill you,

1) would you be stupid and continue to "dick around" when you KNOW hes going to kill you
2) Or would you unleash what you have in your arsenal?

Its pure common sense, dont be ridiculous

READ it, i clearly acknowledged he was toying with cloud [/B]

Lol, sorry i had to post it in the 1st Sephiroth thread i found, but i only just managed to find it, ****nig proof he was toying!!! yay!!!

Sorry bout that, but seriously, this Interveiws lenge takes it, I've been reading this for like 3 days in my spare time, and this is like nearly a third of the way down.

See i'm not like you, cool and calulated 😛

Guys, let's use logic and common sense okay? Omega Weapon was made of the entire Lifestream(with exception of Stagnant), and Minerva is the living will of the planet, she is the planet itself. Kitase and Nomura said that no one is above Sephiroth.

Now, let's think about that. If they were talking about Safer Sephiroth, it means he was already a god with controll over the Lifestream/planet(because Omega and Minerva can do that, and nothing is above Seph).
Then WHY the hell he was waiting for Meteor to hit the planet?! Why the fu*k he needed Meteor in the first place?! Because Safer Sephiroth wasn't a god yet. He wasn't "one with the planet" yet..

And now, let's look at AC Sephiroth. He was manipulating the Lifestream, the source of all power in FFVII, to kill the planet and move it across the universe as his vessel. Could Safer do something so impressive, outside of illusions? No. He needed external help(Meteor) to do something like that.

And all of that means they were talking about AC Sephiroth.

Seriously guys... Logic and common sense. Use them.

Originally posted by SHM
Guys, let's use logic and common sense okay? Omega Weapon was made of the entire Lifestream(with exception of Stagnant), and Minerva is the living will of the planet, she is the planet itself. Kitase and Nomura said that no one is above Sephiroth.

Now, let's think about that. If they were talking about Safer Sephiroth, it means he was already a god with controll over the Lifestream/planet(because Omega and Minerva can do that, and nothing is above Seph).
Then WHY the hell he was waiting for Meteor to hit the planet?! Why the fu*k he needed Meteor in the first place?! [B]Because Safer Sephiroth wasn't a god yet. He wasn't "one with the planet" yet..

And now, let's look at AC Sephiroth. He was manipulating the Lifestream, the source of all power in FFVII, to kill the planet and move it across the universe as his vessel. Could Safer do something so impressive, outside of illusions? No. He needed external help(Meteor) to do something like that.

And all of that means they were talking about AC Sephiroth.

Seriously guys... Logic and common sense. Use them. [/B]

She is not the will of the planet, she has good control on lifestream, but not the planet, which itself is called Gaia

And that is also incorrect, Sephiroth has access to Negative lifestream, which is what he uses to darken to sky. It's basically infected Lifestream, that's what he was doing during the time between FFVII and AC. Which he can also use to infect people with Geostigma.

One thing i don't get, you're talking about Safer Seph....how does he get thrown into this debate?

Originally posted by Remindme
She is not the will of the planet, she has good control on lifestream, but not the planet, which itself is called Gaia

And that is also incorrect, Sephiroth has access to Negative lifestream, which is what he uses to darken to sky. It's basically infected Lifestream, that's what he was doing during the time between FFVII and AC. Which he can also use to infect people with Geostigma.

One thing i don't get, you're talking about Safer Seph....how does he get thrown into this debate?

The planet itself is called Gaia, but Minerva is the consciousness of it. It was her who created the Weapons to protect it, Holy, and etc. I see her as "the brain" of the planet, and the Lifestream is "the blood" of the planet. And like you said, she has good controll on the Lifestream.
She is the goddess of Gaia, one of(if not the most) powerful beings in FFVII(and by consequence, Seph is equal to her).

About the Lifestream... He was manipulating it, because Negative Lifestream IS Lifestream. The only difference is it's color, and the fact that Sephiroth can control the Negative one because it's corrupted by him/Jenova.

About Safer... Some people said that when Nomura and Kitase stated that nothing is above Sephiroth, they were talking about Safer Seph and not AC Seph. I counter that with the fact that if they were talking about Safer, then he would be already a god(in the same level of Minerva or Omega) and wouldn't need Meteor to become one.

Safer was at most a demi-god. He needed Meteor to complete his ascension to godhood. AC Seph in the other hand, didn't need any exterior help to transform the planet in a vessel and travel the universe, because he already has great controll over the planet. More than ever before.
This controll over the planet/lifestream, is what he wanted in FFVII. But with Geostigma, he succeeded. He could controll the Lifestream... Becoming a god. This is why he don't want to "become one with the planet" in AC. Because he already did that. Now, he have a new objective, that is "using the planet as a vessel to travel the darkness of the cosmos".

Originally posted by SHM
The planet itself is called Gaia, but Minerva is the consciousness of it. It was her who created the Weapons to protect it, Holy, and etc. I see her as "the brain" of the planet, and the Lifestream is "the blood" of the planet. And like you said, she has good controll on the Lifestream.
She is the goddess of Gaia, one of(if not the most) powerful beings in FFVII(and by consequence, Seph is equal to her).

About the Lifestream... He was manipulating it, because Negative Lifestream IS Lifestream. The only difference is it's color, and the fact that Sephiroth can control the Negative one because it's corrupted by him/Jenova.

About Safer... Some people said that when Nomura and Kitase stated that nothing is above Sephiroth, they were talking about Safer Seph and not AC Seph. I counter that with the fact that if they were talking about Safer, then he would be already a god(in the same level of Minerva or Omega) and wouldn't need Meteor to become one.

Safer was at most a demi-god. He needed Meteor to complete his ascension to godhood. AC Seph in the other hand, didn't need any exterior help to transform the planet in a vessel and travel the universe, because he already has great controll over the planet. More than ever before.
This controll over the planet/lifestream, is what he wanted in FFVII. But with Geostigma, he succeeded. He could controll the Lifestream... Becoming a god. This is why he don't want to "become one with the planet" in AC. Because he already did that. Now, he have a new objective, that is "using the planet as a vessel to travel the darkness of the cosmos".

Sephiroth > Minerva, that being normal Sephiroth.

Minerva IMO did what Sephiroth tried to do in FFVII became one with the lifestream, but she is the good version, and proabably didn't wound the planet to fuse with the lifestream. I'm not sure i agree she is the brain of the planet though, The planet Screams in FFVII when you first go to cosmo canyon, so the Planet itself does have a conciousness.

Sephiroth = Jenova (Loz, Yazoo and Kadaj were all fooled by Sephiroth)

I'll Co-sign the god thing

Though you are a little of in that last one. I do not know why he decided not to attain god-hood in AC but he is not one with the lifestream.

In FFVII he wanted to literally absorb all the lifestream that would come to heal the wound caused by the meterorite, thus giving him more power, like materia kind of power.

In AC he wanted to continue Jenova's legacy by going to a new planet and doing what she did.

KH Septh have to be level 99 to even try to take this guy on

well not really

Would be nice to go by showings and not speculate what AC Sephiroth can do based on some quotes from an interview, just saying.