Street Fighter IV

Originally posted by Th3birdman
Un huh.... Why are his grabs un-techable? No better question-

How would you feel if everytime you got up, Zang just grabs you EVEN when you're doing a shoryu (which is supposed to have frames of INVINCIBILITY)?

This question makes even more sense when you substitute "Zang" for T.Hawk, Honda, Abel, or Seth, all of which have NO problem with Spacing. That logic fails here bub.

And if you reaaally think I suck- PSN Th3birdman15.

LoL if a gief spamming his command grabs on wakeup is giving you all this trouble then you are hopeless. You can neutral jump said Overpowered grabs and hit gief with a juicy counter hit combo. As simple as that.

Grabs beat out Ryu's SRK? Which version of SFIV is this?

DUDE!!! did you not read what you quoted me on???

Zack- last post wasn't towards you. This is-

Hey Zang, Missed your grab because someone neutral jumped? Lariat their ass. Jumped backwards? Ex grab their ass.

Again PSN Th3birdman15. I'll use Zang, and we'll see if I can't frustrate any of you.

Command grabs don't beat real dragon punches when both are done at the same time. You either reacted too slow and the command grab nailed you or you were frame trapped and the DP has no chance of coming out when you'e frame trapped. Another possible explanation is lag. Nothing can be done about lag though. I don't play you because I don't have a PS3 anymore. If I did I would gladly play a couple of sets with you.

Anyways if command grabs are giving you so much trouble just jump like crazy. They will whiff their throws and you will get a huge window for punishment.

If I get the chance I do that, but jumps against Abel T.Hawk, and Zang are heavily punished. And you're wrong- I do shoryus on reversal almost instinctively, and They CANNOT beat Seth, T.Hawk, Honda Zang OR Abel. Only time the reversal connects is when the other guy reacts slow. Not to mention if you're playing a good player that shoryu/reversal shoryu is getting blocked, and you're getting your ass grabbe.

Originally posted by Th3birdman
If I get the chance I do that, but jumps against Abel T.Hawk, and Zang are heavily punished. And you're wrong- I do shoryus on reversal almost instinctively, and They CANNOT beat Seth, T.Hawk, Honda Zang OR Abel. Only time the reversal connects is when the other guy reacts slow. Not to mention if you're playing a good player that shoryu/reversal shoryu is getting blocked, and you're getting your ass grabbe.

I am not wrong. It is fact. Both attacks startup at the same time, but DPs beat throws. They always have and they always will. I am not telling you to jump all the time because you're going to get punished for that. However jump every now and then so they realize that if they whiff a throw they are going to get raped. A big part of SF, and fighters in general, is to condition your opponent. Take Ken for an example. I do light punch x 2, and then go for the karathrow. I do it again and again in the first round. Now in the second round you notice they have become aware of your tactic. This is when you mix it up and do light punch x 2 and instead of going for the throw you go for the Dragon Punch. If you conditioned them well they will attempt to tech your throw and you will hit them with a counter hit Heavy Shoryuken. If you do this with 2 bars and cancel the Shoryu into Shinryuken they are in for a world of pain.

You sound like you're getting screwed by reversal command grabs. That is annoying as hell, but you need to be aware of how the player plays. Personally I prefer if the grappler is reversal grab happy because I can bait them into doing them and then punishing them.

Also if you reversal shoryu all the time of course they are going to bait you into going for that reversal DP so they can punish you. It is your own fault. Look at Daigo and how many times he hits his "Ume shoryu" He is the prime example of being unpredictable with his dragon punch.

I'm not talking about the techable grabs-- I'm referring to the END YOUR ANIMATION grabs. Those can't be DP'd. Oh and let's not bring Daigo up. He almost never faces grapplers.

I am talking about those. Techables grabs shouldn't even be taken into consideration because you can *Ahem* tech them.

Originally posted by Th3birdman
I'm not talking about the techable grabs-- I'm referring to the END YOUR ANIMATION grabs. Those can't be DP'd. Oh and let's not bring Daigo up. He almost never faces grapplers.

Oh...well lets take the pro fighting scene for a moment. How many grapplers do you see winning tournaments? If command grabs were as overpowered as you're making them out to be there would be grapplers winning tournaments all the time no? Also Seth's command grab does shitty damage it doesn't even matter. It is used more as a mixup than for real damage.

I'd like to say people use who they like opposed to which tierd characters fall.

Case in point- Wong losing to an ADON.

Originally posted by Th3birdman
I'd like to say people use who they like opposed to which tierd characters fall.

Case in point- Wong losing to an ADON.

Cool. Still that doesn't take anything away from my statement.

And I was one of those rooting for Gamerbee to rape Wong. Wong had it coming for saying Adon was shit and not learning the matchup. He was so lost in the fight it was hillarious and sad both at the same time.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Cool. Still that doesn't take anything away from my statement.

And I was one of those rooting for Gamerbee to rape Wong. Wong had it coming for saying Adon was shit and not learning the matchup. He was so lost in the fight it was hillarious and sad both at the same time.

Wong showed some low tier love when he beat AndyOCR's Bison with Makoto.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Wong showed some low tier love when he beat AndyOCR's Bison with Makoto.

Yeah. I remember all the koto users going all "YAY!" And he better show low tiers love. Koto is lovely <3

I just meant that in the competitive scene, they use whomever they like. But yeah I love Makoto. Just wish her feet weren't so damned huge O_O

Freaky big foot. At least hew new alt. outfit will take care of that.

Daigo even played with Cammy (not really low tier, but not what he's use to) against Hart. Got his ass kicked, tho. He sort deserved it too. I mean, you can talk shit about the characters, but damn, don't make it personal.

Daigo talked shit about Cammy?

Dude got raped for trying to counterpick hart's dhalsim rofl

LOL now I say "Freaky big shoe."

Justin is good in MvC. SSF4 he's as average as Maggie Gyllenhal. But when he talks crap, it makes it too hard to root for him. Maybe Japan was right about America when they created Rufus

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Daigo talked shit about Cammy?

Dude got raped for trying to counterpick hart's dhalsim rofl

No, I meant he talked shit about Hart. He didn't directly diss the guy, but in an interview that took place some time before the fight, he pretty much called Hart a nobody. It wasn't in a way you can misconstrued either. He took a clear shot at'm.

Yah I remember that.