Dante, without Time manip and Ganons invulerability the fight is still going to be a little one sided in Dante's favour, hes faser, strength i dont know about, ganons a bit of a strong dude but Dante has speed, does he have sparda form? in which case hes even more quick and has beams of death to shoot while in flight
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
BULL. SHIT. Ganon has been alive for thousands of years, and when he was reincarnated as Ganondorf in OoT timeline, even from a young age he was a master swordsman. In swordfights with Link in-game, this is shown, under normal swordplay, Link cannot get a single hit in unless he uses the unorthodox, and Link is no slouch in swordplay himself. Also, GanonDORF as I have stressed in other threads has NEVER been defeated by Link, and by never defeated, I mean he always had outside help, whether it be from Zelda, Midna, or the Sages. He has never simply beat Ganon without some gayness PIS bullshit. Also, Sparda is NOWHERE near omnipotent, don't make me laugh. Hell, Ganon is closer to a god than Dante, displaying powers like creationism and shit.
Don't see anything in that post convincing me that Ganon is superior in sword skills than Dante. You simply mentioned Ganon's in-game sword stunts, which don't mean much to me since the guy is the last boss and he is meant to be hard. Besides with Dante's insane speed it won't take much for Dante to improvise and use an unorthodox style to take him down. Heck Dante himself is unorthodox. But anyways, quite frankly I don't give a damn about either of them, so I'll just let those who know debate it.
Ganon might be superior in lifting strength, but taking into account Dante's speed, Dante's force of hits is definetely going to be superior to Ganon's.
If Ganon isn't invulnerable, even without time manipulation Ganon gets f*cked up- probably even speedblitzed. Or gets an "instant kill" blast of demonic energy straight to his head (it's if Sparda form is allowed).
Dante isn't close to God, and he won't be (and so is his father, who was just a warlord of hell armies, though the strongest mystical warrior), calling him or his dad "omnipotent beings" is stuipid and fanboyish, but just because he doesn't adept at practical sorcery and don't have any spell casting practice, doesn't mean that he's inferior to Ganon. They are just different- Ganon is strong mage&spellcaster, Dante is strong mystical warrior.
If it were RPG, they would be in different classes.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBelGanon wields a much bigger weapon(bout 6-8 feet) and sends grown men flying with it. Dante is far faster, but Ganon has three things that f*ck his speed up, teleportation, intangibility(Which is instant), and flight. Not to mention, for his massive size, Ganon is fast, tho still not as fast as Dante. Ganon's superior strength also makes close range risky for Dante, if Ganon gets the chance, whether it is thru blocking an attack, or avoiding a blow by dodging, tele, or intangibility, he could grab Dante by the skull. Let me ask you, has Dante ever regenerated his head? As for the instant kill blast, what makes you think it won't be avoided? Also, Ganon has massive damage soak, which is not part of his invulnerability, he can take multiple attacks to his body, and still fight on, as shown in TP by the long series of fights he did, and also shows his stamina. Also, Ganon is not just a powerful spellcaster, he is a powerful swordsman, warrior, and is very intelligent as well(MUCH smarter than Dante).
Ganon might be superior in lifting strength, but taking into account Dante's speed, Dante's force of hits is definetely going to be superior to Ganon's.
If Ganon isn't invulnerable, even without time manipulation Ganon gets f*cked up- probably even speedblitzed. Or gets an "instant kill" blast of demonic energy straight to his head (it's if Sparda form is allowed).Dante isn't close to God, and he won't be (and so is his father, who was just a warlord of hell armies, though the strongest mystical warrior), calling him or his dad "omnipotent beings" is stuipid and fanboyish, but just because he doesn't adept at practical sorcery and don't have any spell casting practice, doesn't mean that he's inferior to Ganon. They are just different- Ganon is strong mage&spellcaster, Dante is strong mystical warrior.
If it were RPG, they would be in different classes.
Originally posted by Violent2DopeLet me tell you why that instant kill blast can't be avoided... wait a minute, has Ganon EVER evaded an attack?
Ganon wields a much bigger weapon(bout 6-8 feet) and sends grown men flying with it. Dante is far faster, but Ganon has three things that f*ck his speed up, teleportation, intangibility(Which is instant), and flight. Not to mention, for his massive size, Ganon is fast, tho still not as fast as Dante. Ganon's superior strength also makes close range risky for Dante, if Ganon gets the chance, whether it is thru blocking an attack, or avoiding a blow by dodging, tele, or intangibility, he could grab Dante by the skull. Let me ask you, has Dante ever regenerated his head? As for the instant kill blast, what makes you think it won't be avoided? Also, Ganon has massive damage soak, which is not part of his invulnerability, he can take multiple attacks to his body, and still fight on, as shown in TP by the long series of fights he did, and also shows his stamina. Also, Ganon is not just a powerful spellcaster, he is a powerful swordsman, warrior, and is very intelligent as well(MUCH smarter than Dante).
Oh yeah, the Ganon in OoT was basicaly a brute 100% swordsman with a very few spells and no teleportation, the one in TP was just a big ass pig running around and teleporting all over the place and the in LttP was a 100% spellcaster/mage with teleportation. Clearly Ganon can't mix classes very well, so which bloody Ganon are you talking about? A mixture that doesn't exist?
Oh yeah about the "smarter" thing; Can a high IQ stop a shotgun blast to the head? Answer: Negative.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ganon wields a much bigger weapon(bout 6-8 feet) and sends grown men flying with it. Dante is far faster, but Ganon has three things that f*ck his speed up, teleportation, intangibility(Which is instant), and flight. Not to mention, for his massive size, Ganon is fast, tho still not as fast as Dante. Ganon's superior strength also makes close range risky for Dante, if Ganon gets the chance, whether it is thru blocking an attack, or avoiding a blow by dodging, tele, or intangibility, he could grab Dante by the skull. Let me ask you, has Dante ever regenerated his head? As for the instant kill blast, what makes you think it won't be avoided? Also, Ganon has massive damage soak, which is not part of his invulnerability, he can take multiple attacks to his body, and still fight on, as shown in TP by the long series of fights he did, and also shows his stamina. Also, Ganon is not just a powerful spellcaster, he is a powerful swordsman, warrior, and is very intelligent as well(MUCH smarter than Dante).
AFAIK he never regenerated from decapitation, though he took headshots easily. And broken scull doesn't equal decapitation.
Even quite crappy anime version of Dante was able to take blows from demons much more stronger than him (in terms of lifting strength Dante's nothing notable, but it doesn't count in actual combat, whether the force of hits does). Hell, watch his fight with Beowulf. Dante got punched into STONE floor by superstrong demon and was fine in a couple of seconds.
Also in Super Sparda form there's not just mere blasts and energy swords from hands (and I doubt Ganon would keep range advantage against like 8-10 feet tall winged demon), but also an aura attack, which is hard to avoid.
And as for intellect...Dante might not be genius(aside from his uncanny ability to improvise in fighting, living up to the principle "anything can be a weapon in hands of true warrior" and being really creative and unorthodox fighter), but Arius and Arkham were adept mystical scholars with high IQ and were beaten by guy who hasn't proven himself to be prodigial in anything except combat.
Combat teleportation? Nothing new to Dante, he even has that ability on his own to the some extent.
Intangibility? Dante killed intangible creatures (ghosts) and did that not only with his Devil Arms but with his firearms also.
Originally posted by IceJawNo, in LttP Link never got ahold of the triforce an used the sword to its full potential.
Then what was the whole point in sailing all over the map for Triforce shards then? 'Cause it wasn't required?
Originally posted by IceJawYes, A higher IQ is simply a greater abilty to comprehend things. In which case it might allow you to get insight into the person with the shotgun and talk them out of shooting you.
Oh yeah about the "smarter" thing; Can a high IQ stop a shotgun blast to the head? Answer: Negative.
Originally posted by IceJaw1. Yeah, play TP or WW, in the swordfights he's pretty good at dodging.
Let me tell you why that instant kill blast can't be avoided... wait a minute, has Ganon EVER evaded an attack?
I don't remember ever seeing GANON flying, now you're talking about The Dorf, Ganon does not = Ganondorf abilitywise. But a ability that Ganon did have was teleportation - in Twilight Princess and a Link to the past only. In Twilight Princess he got bested by a mere wolf and a darkling with an heck of an 'arm' and in A Link To The Past he got beaten by a boy... just what the **** makes you think Dante wouldn't be able to do the same if we excluded Ganon's 'invulnerability'.Oh yeah, the Ganon in OoT was basicaly a brute 100% swordsman with a very few spells and no teleportation, the one in TP was just a big ass pig running around and teleporting all over the place and the in LttP was a 100% spellcaster/mage with teleportation. Clearly Ganon can't mix classes very well, so which bloody Ganon are you talking about? A mixture that doesn't exist?
Oh yeah about the "smarter" thing; Can a high IQ stop a shotgun blast to the head? Answer: Negative.
2. Ganon and Ganondorf are the same entity, the names can be used interchangably. Ganon is just less to type.
3. Ganon has had tele in all the classic games and TP. Oh, and btw, that's A>B>C logic, and you phail for it. Oh, and in TP Midna had all the Fused Shadows to help Link, do i REALLY need to list what Ganon went thru in those back-to-back fights again? LttP was Classic Ganon, who is weaker going by powers and feats.
4. Ganon in OoT was a big slow ass beast with really big swords. TP was a big Boar who teled and trampled people. Classic has the widest range of abilities. Also, most of Ganon's powers are in his base form, it is also his most powerful IMO.
5. It lets him use his brain to take the best of the situation, you are assuming Ganon is going to stand there and take it, oh and btw, Ganon could take a shotgun to the head.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel1. No, I mean he caves his skull in, crushing his brain. 🙂
AFAIK he never regenerated from decapitation, though he took headshots easily. And broken scull doesn't equal decapitation.
Even quite crappy anime version of Dante was able to take blows from demons much more stronger than him (in terms of lifting strength Dante's nothing notable, but it doesn't count in actual combat, whether the force of hits does). Hell, watch his fight with Beowulf. Dante got punched into STONE floor by superstrong demon and was fine in a couple of seconds.
Also in Super Sparda form there's not just mere blasts and energy swords from hands (and I doubt Ganon would keep range advantage against like 8-10 feet tall winged demon), but also an aura attack, which is hard to avoid.And as for intellect...Dante might not be genius(aside from his uncanny ability to improvise in fighting, living up to the principle "anything can be a weapon in hands of true warrior" and being really creative and unorthodox fighter), but Arius and Arkham were adept mystical scholars with high IQ and were beaten by guy who hasn't proven himself to be prodigial in anything except combat.
Combat teleportation? Nothing new to Dante, he even has that ability on his own to the some extent.
Intangibility? Dante killed intangible creatures (ghosts) and did that not only with his Devil Arms but with his firearms also.
2. Kay. And? Ganon isn't just some random big demon.
3. Ganon himself is at least 9' tall. He has a big ass sword as well. As for an aura attack, Ganon could logically use the power he used in OoT to destroy his castle, it took time to destroy the whole building, but the large room was also destroyed. Also, intangibility.
4. Kay. And? That's like saying "Since Superman could beat Reed Richards who's really smart, he can also beat Galactus who is really smart".
5. Kay. Ganon still has it.
6. Then they aren't intangible are they?
Originally posted by Violent2Dope1-2. Would you kindly stop confusing Ganon with Ganondorf? And what do you think the thread titles implies? Maybe that it's Ganon only and no Ganondorf? And by that logic we should include the whole Smith family in future " Smith vs someone" threads. Wait, you haven't played Killer 7, have you? You could simply have answered my question with; "no, never as Ganon".
1. Yeah, play TP or WW, in the swordfights he's pretty good at dodging.2. Ganon and Ganondorf are the same entity, the names can be used interchangably. Ganon is just less to type.
3. Ganon has had tele in all the classic games and TP. Oh, and btw, that's A>B>C logic, and you phail for it. Oh, and in TP Midna had all the Fused Shadows to help Link, do i REALLY need to list what Ganon went thru in those back-to-back fights again? LttP was Classic Ganon, who is weaker going by powers and feats.
4. Ganon in OoT was a big slow ass beast with really big swords. TP was a big Boar who teled and trampled people. Classic has the widest range of abilities. Also, most of Ganon's powers are in his base form, it is also his most powerful IMO.
5. It lets him use his brain to take the best of the situation, you are assuming Ganon is going to stand there and take it, oh and btw, Ganon could take a shotgun to the head.
3. You'd know that it fails since you've played the DMC games, right? barkerthumbsupdur
4. You just repeated what I said, why? Also, "base form" is a pretty blunt way of putting it. Do you mean base form as in Classic Ganon? And I don't think I can even take that as a definite answer to my question.
5. Are you saying his high IQ gives him swift enough reflexes to evade barrages of projectiles from weapons of all sorts? Hope not.
Originally posted by CreshoskErrr the one in WW lost its power so Link had to find the Triforce to fully restore it and he DID find the Triforce.
No, in LttP Link never got ahold of the triforce an used the sword to its full potential.Yes, A higher IQ is simply a greater abilty to comprehend things. In which case it might allow you to get insight into the person with the shotgun and talk them out of shooting you.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. No, I mean he caves his skull in, crushing his brain. 🙂2. Kay. And? Ganon isn't just some random big demon.
3. Ganon himself is at least 9' tall. He has a big ass sword as well. As for an aura attack, Ganon could logically use the power he used in OoT to destroy his castle, it took time to destroy the whole building, but the large room was also destroyed. Also, intangibility.
4. Kay. And? That's like saying "Since Superman could beat Reed Richards who's really smart, he can also beat Galactus who is really smart".
5. Kay. Ganon still has it.
6. Then they aren't intangible are they?
2. Beowulf does not equal random stupid ass demon, if that's what you're saying and how is Ganon's height relevant? Beowulf's taller than that. hanone
3-5. You seem to like to repeat yourself, maybe I should too, napalmic dragon.
Originally posted by IceJawWow. You pretty much phail for this post.
1-2. Would you kindly stop confusing Ganon with Ganondorf? And what do you think the thread titles implies? Maybe that it's Ganon only and no Ganondorf? And by that logic we should include the whole Smith family in future " Smith vs someone" threads. Wait, you haven't played Killer 7, have you? You could simply have answered my question with; "no, never as Ganon".3. You'd know that it fails since you've played the DMC games, right? barkerthumbsupdur
4. You just repeated what I said, why? Also, "base form" is a pretty blunt way of putting it. Do you mean base form as in Classic Ganon? And I don't think I can even take that as a definite answer to my question.
5. Are you saying his high IQ gives him swift enough reflexes to evade barrages of projectiles from weapons of all sorts? Hope not.
Errr the one in WW lost its power so Link had to find the Triforce to fully restore it and he DID find the Triforce.
1. Assuming it'd come to that he could simply take demon form which releases a offensive barrier or he could use the Cerberus ice barrier which is pretty much unbreakable or take Sparda form and summon a napalmic dragon right in front of Ganon.
2. Beowulf does not equal random stupid ass demon, if that's what you're saying and how is Ganon's height relevant? Beowulf's taller than that. hanone
3-5. You seem to like to repeat yourself, maybe I should too, napalmic dragon.
1-2. When I say Ganon, I am referring to the character in general, Ganon and Ganondorf can be used interchangably. This is basic Zelda knowledge. Are you sure you have played the games?
3. A>B>C logic always phails. also, Link is nore mere mortal. And I love how you ignored everything else I said and attacked the only point you were able to.
4. Base form is human form.
5. No. I am saying it allows him to use those wits in battle to avoid more then a stupid caveman with the same powers would. Not to mention he would survive a mere shotgun blast.
Once again, you are wrong. By the time Link started searching for the Triforce pieces, the Master Sword was already restored to full power from the prayers of the Sages Makar and...the bird girl.
1. Offensive barrier? Cool, Ganon can do sumthin just like that. Ice shield? Cool as well, Ganon could just imprison Dante in a crystal prison if he wanted. As for the dragon, Ganon survived a dragon(who was a powerful spirit) breathing fire on him, and then having his castle collapse on him. Dragons ain't got shit on Ganon. Also, Ganon can summon monsters of his own.
2. Never said that he does. I am just saying, just cause one big demon got beat by Dante, doesn't mean he can beat any other one. I mentioned height cause she mentioned Sparda Form's height.
3-5. Kay. You seem to like to discredit people's arguments by attacking the weakest points, which in your mind discredits the whole debate.
To ESB: Classic Ganon could die, and OoT Ganon is the only Ganon to have conquered Hyrule. Present Ganon(OoT and beyond) has never been simply defeated by Link one on one.