What are your thoughts on downloading copyrighted stuff?

Started by Ushgarak18 pages

A lot of people say that the artists have enough money anyway, but actually it's the poor bastard studios that tend to lose out from piracy, and a lot of them have a surprisingly rocky time financially, meaning unemployment, market uncertainty etc.

And it is stealing, yes, though the problem with all these anti-piracy adverts that make a direct link to stealing is that they are psychologically mis-directed. The reason people tend to not look at it that much like theft is because it is stealing that does not deprive the original product. If you steal, say, a car, the crime is that not only did you not pay for the car, but that the owner of the car is deprived of it. Doesn't happen with downloading tracks; effectively you created a new product rather than taking one from anyone.

I'm not saying it's not wrong, but people do think about it differently for that reason. A lot of British DVDs these days are prefaced with an irritating advert that says things like "You wouldn't steal a car etc. so why steal music?" and it's useless; virutally no-one wull equate the two activities for the reason I mention above.

All that said about the companies losing out... it's clear that the culture of how music works is changing. Companies offering cheap direct downloads are doing the very sensible thing, but it's possible we are approaching a future where information can be transferred so easily that trying to keep something like recorded music as a saleable commodity will become impossible. That might just be how it is.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

He's not alone, I agree with him wholeheartedly on this matter. He's absolutely correct in every sense of the word.

The problem is internet Providers are selling even cheaper packages with faster speeds, and if you think of how many people have at least DSL 2000 nowadays, no one can tell me they use this to JUST open webpages quicker. Everyone I know downloads illegal stuff be it movies music or PC games.

Personally I think downloading Movies is silly, camcorder rips are crap quality and the cinema experience, even though it costs a bit is unbeatable.

Music and Games, ok its illegal & stealing but lets face it, the majority of people do it.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Music and Games, ok its illegal & stealing but lets face it, the majority of people do it.

Which makes it moral 🙂

Originally posted by Healing Artisan
what do you mean why bother?

Well if you want to listen to the "latest hits", they are everywhere, so it's not like you have to download them to listen to them.

I used to be big into downloading, not much anymore, mainly because I no longer have an ipod.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The problem is Internet Providers are selling even cheaper packages with faster speeds, and if you think of how many people have at least DSL 2000 nowadays, no one can tell me they use this to JUST open webpages quicker. Everyone I know downloads illegal stuff be it movies music or PC games.

Personally I think downloading Movies is silly, camcorder rips are crap quality and the cinema experience, even though it costs a bit is unbeatable.

Music and Games, ok its illegal & stealing but lets face it, the majority of people do it.

I do not steal ANY music, movies, or other data. I have a download speed of 7MBps.(with power boost)

I don't even use stolen study materials to study for my certifications.

My point is, I have the fasted Internet available in my area and all I do is surf the web with it. Sure I have downloaded a few things that were very large but they were just game demos and software demos.

My luck is, if I ever downloaded something illegal, I would be caught the first time, no joke. (I don't really believe in luck but I have no idea what to call it except for "bad luck.)

Originally posted by Bicnarok
the cinema experience is unbeatable.

Really? I despise going to the movies. If I had it my way, you'd watch all the new releases at home on your television or you could go to the theater. (just like a pay-per-view deal) Personally, I'd never set foot in another smelly, crowded, sticky, impersonal movie theater ever again, if I didn't have to. As it is, I almost never go. And on the rare occasion I'm forced to go to the theater, I never make it through a movie I don't care about without falling asleep.

Oddly enough, if I want to see the movie, I'm fine. (I'd still rather watch it at home though) I guess I'm just not into experiencing movies as a member of a crowd.

Have I done it, many times but I also know it is illegal and if I get caught could get fined and or jail time. You want to do it then go for it, but don’t cry a river when you get caught. Is it less of a crime than stealing a car, IMO it is but it still is a crime.

I just saw a thread about downloading comics in the comics section all the kids down there seem to think it's O.K. to do and a victimless crime.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

I prefer to think of it as "Free from Idiots".

Originally posted by Schecter
what are we playing 'count the fallacies'?

Everything's a fallacy to you, I don't even take it seriously when you use the word anymore.

Ha Ha Haaaaaa...repetitive parts.

Originally posted by Backfire
It's a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark.

I suppose rape is victimless if it's in the dark, or not a crime at all in your opinion, haha.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Is it less of a crime than stealing a car, IMO it is but it still is a crime.

It's not less of a crime. It's stealing for the exact same reasons that stealing a car is stealing. People perceiving it as less severe doesn't make it so.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I prefer to think of it as "Free from Idiots".

Everything's a fallacy to you, I don't even take it seriously when you use the word anymore.

Ha Ha Haaaaaa...repetitive parts.

I suppose rape is victimless if it's in the dark, or not a crime at all in your opinion, haha.

It's not less of a crime. It's stealing for the exact same reasons that stealing a car is stealing. People perceiving it as less severe doesn't make it so.

-AC

I agree totally it's theft, plain and simple!

Yes, Whirly.

Hello.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, Whirly.

Hello.

-AC

I am unsure who this Whirly is but thank you for the greeting.

Hello.

🙂

-AA

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Everything's a fallacy to you, I don't even take it seriously when you use the word anymore.

Ha Ha Haaaaaa...repetitive parts.

doesnt matter if you take it seriously. the fact remains that your post was almost completely rooted in *ahem* fallacy

so your point seems to be that digital copies of intellectual property should be held in the same regard as physical property. fair enough. point i was making was that your mode of expressing that opinion in that particular post was very dodgy.

Not that they should, that they are by law and people seem to think this isn't the case just because it is so easy to do and get away with.

You found the expression dodgy, sorry to hear that.

-AC

Albums are not as "Buyable" now days now that I can easily hit limewire, type the song I want, and bam! I can listen to some hot shit.

But seriously though, their should at least be a way to make both parties fair. I mean, artist have been pissed off over the years about having their music downloaded because that creates little money. Back then in the 80's, artist tend to sale millions of albums. Now days, it's like "WTF? why did I buy this if I can just download it."

I think it is a joke now days among hip hop. I mean, we have two rappers using their record sales as a big competition on who could sale TEH MOSTEST!!!111".

....However, I am not quiet sure about how to solve such a problem. I mean, it is very common. We have the ipod, why hasn't apple been sued by artist yet? If downloading music is so serious, why can't the cops take the ipods away and arrest the owner of it. 😂

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not that they should, that they are by law and people seem to think this isn't the case just because it is so easy to do and get away with.

-AC

like this kid

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I usually save a series of books on a ten dollar flash drive and sell it on ebay for 30-40 😈

Dexter Morgan started this thread and the kids responses are unbelievable!!!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not that they should, that they are by law and people seem to think this isn't the case just because it is so easy to do and get away with.

wrong. they are not viewed in the same regard as physical property.
similar in the respect that its illegal to steal, but the penalty is laughably lenient compared to theft of physical property.

(disclaimer: thats not a justification for theft of digital intellectual propery, but rather just an observation/correction.)

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You found the expression dodgy, sorry to hear that.

-AC

well, i felt that it was because it was, factually.
btw, when you use the word 'factually' i get the same happy tingly feeling that you get when i use 'fallacy'. lets get together and whisper those words in eachothers ears.

Originally posted by JacopeX
Albums are not as "Buyable" now days now that I can easily hit limewire, type the song I want, and bam! I can listen to some hot shit.

But seriously though, their should at least be a way to make both parties fair. I mean, artist have been pissed off over the years about having their music downloaded because that creates little money. Back then in the 80's, artist tend to sale millions of albums. Now days, it's like "WTF? why did I buy this if I can just download it."

I think it is a joke now days among hip hop. I mean, we have two rappers using their record sales as a big competition on who could sale TEH MOSTEST!!!111".

....However, I am not quiet sure about how to solve such a problem. I mean, it is very common. We have the ipod, why hasn't apple been sued by artist yet? If downloading music is so serious, why can't the cops take the ipods away and arrest the owner of it. 😂

Err, stuff is just as 'buyable' as it was before. Moreso, I'd say, what with digital downloads and iTunes and stuff like that.

And your little thing about iPods is rather irrelevant there. People buy music off of iTunes or take the music off their CDs they own already to put on iPods. Neither of which are illegal acts as they've purchased the music.

Originally posted by Schecter
wrong. they are not viewed in the same regard as physical property.
similar in the respect that its illegal to steal, but the penalty is laughably lenient compared to theft of physical property.

(disclaimer: thats not a justification for theft of digital intellectual propery, but rather just an observation/correction.)

Very true, I meant in a legal sense they are views as equal, both stealing by definition.

I think the penalty definitely should be ramped up, but I think what the world is moving toward is a means of keeping distribution online, but making it so easy to get through legal means, that there's almost no excuse to download illegally. People still will, but I think it's going to decrease, or be irrelevant.

Like major bands moving away from labels unless they WANT a physical CD out there (Or self-financing one) as Radiohead recently have done, or did at first, and giving people the option to pay what they want. So even if people pay £2 and a few don't pay at all, they're earning more, as it's going straight to them.

If that's not the way the industry moves, I think the penalty definitely does need to be pushed up, but that's because I'd not have anything on my comp to arrest me for, nor will I. Others may.

Originally posted by Schecter
well, i felt that it was because it was, factually.
btw, when you use the word 'factually' i get the same happy tingly feeling that you get when i use 'fallacy'. lets get together and whisper those words in eachothers ears.

It may be full of fallacy, although I didn't really intend it as 100% serious in wording, but whether fallacy is dodgy is your opinion.

And no, I am not a gaym'n.

-AC