Originally posted by Robtard
True, but it probably came down to "don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to yourself"...
Or it was people who were too weak to protect their stuff and bitched about it until it became a law, thus ruining it for the rest of us.
Originally posted by Robtard
Weed being illegal when alcohol and smoking are, is rediculous.
Yup.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Is it?
No, not unless you're stealing one from 20+ years ago... they have laser cut keys (like a Benz), which are nearly impossible to replicate, trying to hot wire one will most likely shutoff the ignition and fuel systems. To steal one, you really need high-end equipment.
Originally posted by Robtard
I dig your qausi-lesbian signature
Gracias.
The smoking weed point. It's illegal here in the states, but that doesn't stop anyone, and lots of people don't find it a problem. I honestly don't like weed, and I'd rather download music anyday than smoke weed...
I dunno. Tis weird.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, not unless you're stealing one from 20+ years ago... they have laser cut keys (like a Benz), which are nearly impossible to replicate, trying to hot wire one will most likely shutoff the ignition and fuel systems. To steal one, you really need high-end equipment.
But in "gone in 60 seconds", it was like.... Gone in 60 seconds. 😕 That was a documentary.... Right?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly.The two are entirely different areas.
"Don't do this to yourself! It's illegal!", "Don't do that to the other, unwilling person!".
-AC
No less arbitrary.
People smoke weed because they want to and find ways to avoid the laws.
People steal because they want to and find ways to avoid the laws.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos#
No less arbitrary.People smoke weed because they want to and find ways to avoid the laws.
People steal because they want to and find ways to avoid the laws.
Smoking I consider theft in the U.K. As my taxes go on treatment for smokers under the NHS if they stopped smoking my taxes could be spent on more research into cancer, rather than reaction and treatment of smokers ailments caused by smoking!!!!!!! 😮💨
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No less arbitrary.People smoke weed because they want to and find ways to avoid the laws.
People steal because they want to and find ways to avoid the laws.
What's your point? They're both, illegal and people do them, yes. Someone smoking weed outside my house doesn't affect me. Someone smashing my window and stealing my TV does. Just like smoking weed outside Joanna Newsom's studio doesn't affect her, but if someone is stealing music they found in her studio, uploads it and then everyone steals it, she is being affected.
Weed being illegal is under the premise "We don't want you doing this to yourself.", which is up to the person.
Stealing involves others who probably do not wish to be stolen from.
That's the point, WHY they are illegal.
-AC
Originally posted by BackFire
I'm illegally downloading Purple Rain as we speak, all while listening to my illegally downloaded version of The Pot, by Tool while figuring out how to pull off raping someone in the dark.Going to be a good day.
I'm petitioning to ban fat men from L.A going to Montreal.
Gonna be a good day.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's your point? They're both, illegal and people do them, yes. Someone smoking weed outside my house doesn't affect me. Someone smashing my window and stealing my TV does. Just like smoking weed outside Joanna Newsom's studio doesn't affect her, but if someone is stealing music they found in her studio, uploads it and then everyone steals it, she is being affected.Weed being illegal is under the premise "We don't want you doing this to yourself.", which is up to the person.
Stealing involves others who probably do not wish to be stolen from.
That's the point, WHY they are illegal.
-AC
you cannot switch the base of your argument like that. to justify your hardline stance on pirating, you quote the principle of a law as factual evidence. pirating is theft according to law, therefore its the same as stealing your neighbors car.
now when the topic of weed comes up, suddenly breaking the law is palatable.
so which is your stance based on? principles of general law or your own personal principles?
Originally posted by Schecter
you cannot switch the base of your argument like that. to justify your hardline stance on pirating, you quote the principle of a law as factual evidence. pirating is theft according to law, therefore its the same as stealing your neighbors car.now when the topic of weed comes up, suddenly breaking the law is palatable.
so which is your stance based on? principles of general law or your own personal principles?
I'm not switching anything, you've misinterpreted my argument.
I think it's wrong to steal because you are taking something that doesn't belong to you, from someone who doesn't wish to have it taken from them, most likely. If it was made legal I'd still maintain my stance.
I see no reason for weed being illegal, because there is none under the reasons they give, especially considering what else they allow to be legal. The legality isn't what makes either case wrong or right, since wrong or right are opinion.
By stealing being legal you would be saying the thieves in the world, who take from others unwillingly (With varying severity), could go about their business without consequence. It's not the same as weed, because legal or not, people do it without harming anyone else.
Laws in society, as I believe you once said, are based on how others in society are directly and unwillingly affected or what not, mostly. This doesn't apply to weed, it applies to stealing.
Your question is followed by giving me two answers, neither of which are the case here. I'm not saying it's bad cos it's illegal, legality isn't the issue. I'm simply saying it's stealing, and it is. It's theft, is it not? Wherein are you having a problem?
I say it is factually stealing because it is, like stealing a car is factually stealing, regardless of difference in severity. Legality is not why I feel stealing is wrong, I have reasons for stealing being wrong whether its legal or not.
My main stance for pirating being wrong is because I personally think it's shit to steal, for multiple reasons. You seem to have confused me arguing against people who do not think it's stealing because it's common and intangible, for me saying "It's wrong because it's illegal.", which isn't the case at all. It just also happens to be illegal.
If I lived in Canada I'd maintain the same stance, although that has a stupid downloading/uploading law anyway.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not switching anything, you've misinterpreted my argument.I think it's wrong to steal because you are taking something that doesn't belong to you, from someone who doesn't wish to have it taken from them, most likely. If it was made legal I'd still maintain my stance.
I see no reason for weed being illegal, because there is none under the reasons they give, especially considering what else they allow to be legal. The legality isn't what makes either case wrong or right, since wrong or right are opinion.
By stealing being legal you would be saying the thieves in the world, who take from others unwillingly (With varying severity), could go about their business without consequence. It's not the same as weed, because legal or not, people do it without harming anyone else.
Laws in society, as I believe you once said, are based on how others in society are directly and unwillingly affected or what note, mostly. This doesn't apply to weed, it applies to stealing.
Your question is followed by giving me two answers, neither of which are the case here. I'm not saying it's bad cos it's illegal, legality isn't the issue. I'm simply saying it's stealing, and it is. It's theft, is it not? Wherein are you having a problem?
I say it is factually stealing because it is, like stealing a car is factually stealing, regardless of difference in severity. Legality is not why I feel stealing is wrong, I have reasons for stealing being wrong whether its legal or not.
My main stance for pirating being wrong is because I personally think it's shit to steal, for multiple reasons. You seem to have confused me arguing against people who do not think it's stealing because it's common and intangible, for me saying "It's wrong because it's illegal.", which isn't the case at all. It just also happens to be illegal.
If I lived in Canada I'd maintain the same stance, although that has a stupid downloading/uploading law anyway.
-AC
i understand: you feel that theft of any nature is wrong. thats your opinion and its certainly valid.
the problem i am having is that you define theft as an absolute concept, with no consideration of severity/damage. so when backfire downloads purple rain, he is on the same exact level as an enron executive robbing the public of billions of dollars. also, your claim that leniency on internet piracy enables all types of thieves is completely ludicrous.