You know. I admit when ryu gets beat. but this is not one of those times.
I understand how Ryu looses to Deathwing(Even those other dispute) I know how Ryu loses to Darth Nihilus(even those force ominpotence is BS)
But Lich has nothing ominipotent aginst him. Or post fusion what ever. Yall are basing this fight off of one category. And that is magic which Ryu should be able to keep up with his magic. He only has him in one category. Ryu owns him in like 4 other categories when it comes to a fight. so where yall are getting this 9/10 mess is crazy.
Ryu wins 3/5 or 4/5 in both Situations. Ryu has too much in his arnsal. but it s what ever. Im done with this.ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC
Originally posted by Burning thought
well where shall we begin, i agree with Darth, the first one goes to Ryu, DK Arthas is a bit of a, well, he doesnt have that many advantages comparing to Ryubut post fusion, its a joke of a fight in comparison, Ryu is an Ant to a lion
basically as the fight begins, using warlock magics Lich king could easily inflict Pain, Corruption, immolate. Set up a Earthern/lightning shield around himself, Demon armour magic or fel armour, even better imo. hell he may do all this while crushing Ryu's mind, the guy has the conciousness of one of the most intelligent magical beings in Warcraft ten thousand fold...Ryus mind would be broken and even weakened and bodyless in before fusion, the lich king mind controls hundreds of non-undead beings all around the continent of ice-crown, Ryu would get stamped out.
While crippled Ryu will be screaming in agony, his body rotting, the pain of the warlock curses ruining his skill and body in the process while Fusion walks up casually, Ryu tries to push the DDB up but Fusion blasts it aside with a lightning blast, picks Ryu up by the neck and laughs before making Ryu completly mad with his mind rotting.
Ryu gets tied in a straight jacket and sent to the loony bin
thats about it yes
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH TO you saying Ryu mind is weak. He reistsend possesion control and mind control effects from both DOKU AND VE. So to say he will get mind raped is ludicrous. He has even showed signs of having adept to advance telekenesis with the fight aginst the VE. Not only does he float on a huge rock but does with percision and skill but he fights ontop of it aginst him. So saying hell get mind raped is crazy
Originally posted by Remindme
Don't..........even..............go..............thereAll i'll say is Kil'jaeden is one of the more powerful characters in whole Warcraft game, and he was the one who turned Orcs and Humans against each other
Why not just tell us exactly how and why his magic is more powerful than Hayabusa's?
I mean...I know next to nothing about Warcraft, so I would like the info.
Originally posted by Remindme
Sometimes you try my patience -.-'Kil'jaeden is well over twenty-five thousand years old.
Most powerful out of himself, Archimonde and Velen.
Power & Abilities:
Shaping Shifting
Size control
Huge magical powers (a feat of which is enslaving the dreadlords, the entire race, and you know how powerful each one of those are?)Kil'jaeden's full powers lie not within the boundaries of physical and magical ability, but in the mind.
Is that it? You're telling me the guy is leagues beyond hayabusa because he can shape shift, control his size and has "huge" magical abilities.
Come on now. Shape shifting is good, but its not an automatic win, and especially not against someone as skilled, fast, versatile and tenacious as Hayabusa. Not to mention size matters not because Hayabusa has shown the capacity to fight beings which make him look like an ant. You are also not giving proof of what these beings he "equals" in magic are much more powerful than Hayabusa's ninpo. So until real evidence is brought I'll just think someone's bluffing. Age and experience is good. Though Hayabusa is experienced and wise beyond his years.
Now please elaborate.
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By the way...the post about Ninpo/Telekinesis. Yes it is possible Hayabusa can use Teleknesis with Ninpo.
I wonder if Hayabusa can actually be killed again...since he is a vengeful spirit.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Why not just tell us exactly how and why his magic is more powerful than Hayabusa's?I mean...I know next to nothing about Warcraft, so I would like the info.
Is that it? You're telling me the guy is leagues beyond hayabusa because he can shape shift, control his size and has "huge" magical abilities.
Come on now. Shape shifting is good, but its not an automatic win, and especially not against someone as skilled, fast, versatile and tenacious as Hayabusa. Not to mention size matters not because Hayabusa has shown the capacity to fight beings which make him look like an ant. You are also not giving proof of what these beings he "equals" in magic are much more powerful than Hayabusa's ninpo. So until real evidence is brought I'll just think someone's bluffing. Age and experience is good. Though Hayabusa is experienced and wise beyond his years.
Now please elaborate.
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By the way...the post about Ninpo/Telekinesis. Yes it is possible Hayabusa can use Teleknesis with Ninpo.
I wonder if Hayabusa can actually be killed again...since he is a vengeful spirit.
Sorry for the wait SBP, Lets see feats & facts:
Enslaving the entire Nathrezim race, who each themselves are on Hero level in WC3
Known to be more powerful than Archimonde and Velen
Tricked the orcs into war with human with very little magic use.
I also believe Sargeras gave Kil'jaeden some of his own power
Problem is, Kil'jaeden is not the kind of demon who gets his hands dirty, he gets other to do it. So we don't have any true feats for him, just a small amount of facts.
Merely the fact he is known to be more powerful Archimonde is impressive, if you know Archimondes powers.....
One thing i can say, there are no mortals who do not fear him, Including Illidan.
this is a joke right??
ryu wont even get close to fusion arthus before he becomes yet another undead pawn in his army...thats not mind control, thats pure necromancy...the lichking/arthus can just kill ryu where he stands and resurrect him with little effort....or he can torture him slowly with warlock curses that make him scream in agony and cripple before he dies..all of this while casting layer after layer of magical barriers around himself 😬
Like i said...Bias fan boy thread. I gave every reversal and counter to each ability he had. And all i get is. He cant do that. Even though his weapon shown and have been reported to do so. And who ever said Knocks away Ryu DDB. Just wow.
And no has anwered my question of how can ryu reist someone mind control and possession who has enslaved an entire nation/empire into fiends but yet didnt do it to Ryu. Which clearly shows ryu has more than enough will power and mind resistence to resist the same thing as lich/arthas. But yet yall continue to say mind rape...Undead slave.
Magical barriers. True Dragon Sword basicly cuts through all with ease do to its unfathmoble spirit power and is high concentrated and effectvie aginst evil beings which Arthas seems to be an evil being. SO why wouldnt his sword work with aginst. I get nothing but. He cant do that.
Puts up a magical barrier. Why cant Ryu simply teleport behind the bayer and quick slash?. I havent seen a counter for that. So far out of all the video games, manga, comics, I have never seen anytype of barrier stop teleportation. Just physicaly stop things from passing it. Not teleportation. I havent seen nothing disputing this.
Another reason why Ryu just wont get mind raped or controled. Because he has telekenesis and has been provin. he used it to leveitata a rock with precision. Avoiding everything the VE thrown at him while at the same time comminting to his same type of precision sword play managing to defeat him. showiung high concentration and skill with telekenesis. Yet he will still get mind raped?
And tell me why is ryu ninpo will be soo vastly outclassed. Yes Artheas has experience. But someone can still be more experience but less skilled then someone in magic. Ryu has not shown any flaw and nothing but pure expertise with his Ninpo and his strength taking on fiends,greater fiends, and even VE. with it and the Devil Incarnate. But yet his Ninpo is able to hurt them and effect them but yet some how it still pales in comparison.
Also. What defence does Arthas have aginst Ryu Chi?. It easily within second cut through and incinerated a battleship instantly vaporising it. And just from on contact still with an energy stream adding more pressure and power. My guess and insight. Ryu supercharged CHi hadoken blast looking thing would rip right through Arthas Mana sheild killing him instantly aswell as vaporising.
Yet Lich can summon leagons of the undead to just battle ryu. Did you all even play Ninja Gaiden or any of them. He faced Legions of Ninjas, Military battalions, Fiends, Undead, 3 Greater Fiends, the VE, and Dark Deciple Devil Incarnate. Single handly with berly any real help. That was just one Ryubusa. What is that going to mean when Ryu Spams Spirit Clone and makes multiple just as strong copies of himself. So tell me again. how is ryu so easily pwned by this guy.
And remindme? What does having to control hero class have anything to do withthis. I can throw out random titles aswell. Controling Greater Fiends. Lesser Fiends, Fiends, Dieties, General class soldeirs. But yeah. I can throw around titles. I have not seen anything ryu cant get pass or havent got passed before stopping him from beating Arthas or getting completely stomped by him,
Originally posted by Csdabest
Like i said...Bias fan boy thread. I gave every reversal and counter to each ability he had. And all i get is. He cant do that. Even though his weapon shown and have been reported to do so. And who ever said Knocks away Ryu DDB. Just wow.And no has anwered my question of how can ryu reist someone mind control and possession who has enslaved an entire nation/empire into fiends but yet didnt do it to Ryu. Which clearly shows ryu has more than enough will power and mind resistence to resist the same thing as lich/arthas. But yet yall continue to say mind rape...Undead slave.
Magical barriers. True Dragon Sword basicly cuts through all with ease do to its unfathmoble spirit power and is high concentrated and effectvie aginst evil beings which Arthas seems to be an evil being. SO why wouldnt his sword work with aginst. I get nothing but. He cant do that.
Puts up a magical barrier. Why cant Ryu simply teleport behind the bayer and quick slash?. I havent seen a counter for that. So far out of all the video games, manga, comics, I have never seen anytype of barrier stop teleportation. Just physicaly stop things from passing it. Not teleportation. I havent seen nothing disputing this.
Another reason why Ryu just wont get mind raped or controled. Because he has telekenesis and has been provin. he used it to leveitata a rock with precision. Avoiding everything the VE thrown at him while at the same time comminting to his same type of precision sword play managing to defeat him. showiung high concentration and skill with telekenesis. Yet he will still get mind raped?
And tell me why is ryu ninpo will be soo vastly outclassed. Yes Artheas has experience. But someone can still be more experience but less skilled then someone in magic. Ryu has not shown any flaw and nothing but pure expertise with his Ninpo and his strength taking on fiends,greater fiends, and even VE. with it and the Devil Incarnate. But yet his Ninpo is able to hurt them and effect them but yet some how it still pales in comparison.
Also. What defence does Arthas have aginst Ryu Chi?. It easily within second cut through and incinerated a battleship instantly vaporising it. And just from on contact still with an energy stream adding more pressure and power. My guess and insight. Ryu supercharged CHi hadoken blast looking thing would rip right through Arthas Mana sheild killing him instantly aswell as vaporising.
Yet Lich can summon leagons of the undead to just battle ryu. Did you all even play Ninja Gaiden or any of them. He faced Legions of Ninjas, Military battalions, Fiends, Undead, 3 Greater Fiends, the VE, and Dark Deciple Devil Incarnate. Single handly with berly any real help. That was just one Ryubusa. What is that going to mean when Ryu Spams Spirit Clone and makes multiple just as strong copies of himself. So tell me again. how is ryu so easily pwned by this guy.
And remindme? What does having to control hero class have anything to do withthis. I can throw out random titles aswell. Controling Greater Fiends. Lesser Fiends, Fiends, Dieties, General class soldeirs. But yeah. I can throw around titles. I have not seen anything ryu cant get pass or havent got passed before stopping him from beating Arthas or getting completely stomped by him,
I disagree that the True Dragon Sword can cut through everything if that's what you meant, but it does have a more devastating effect the greater evil it counters...evil energy is what it counters best, and correct about its spiritual power being unfathomable. This is why despite the Dark Dragon Blade increasing in power the more evil is committed, the TDS proves more than a match for it. This is why both versions of the Devil Incarnate (V.E. and Murai) were overcome.
Pretty much agree that a barrier will not stop Ryu from teleporting past it, but it'll have to be big enough for him to get in there, not to mention it seems unpractical...
I don't think telekinesis will do much against mind control...
I don't think Ryu's magic is on par with this guy's...WoW characters' magic are ub3r from what I've heard...
It's a darn shame that some people don't realize that Hayabusa has more than ninpo when it comes to projectiles. The same chi that he channels into his weapons when performing ultimate attacks can be channeled into energy balls and shot at targets as shown in DOA4 twice, in Ryu's ending and Helena's, although I think you're overrating it. It can destroy an aircraft, but I wouldn't go far as to say it can vaporize it instantly. It did make it combust. Though it is true it disintegrated the one who was riding the plane, Donovan (the president of DOATEC) in the course of a second; that's what's very impressive about it, not to mention it travels at around the speed of sound.
Originally posted by shin_gearusing a curse to mind control is not the same as the lichking's methods...we cant really compare them then 😬
Not so sure if Ryu still being himself after receiving the curse has much to do with mind control. I mean, he was cursed and was still pretty much himself...does that count as resisting mind control, not too sure about that to be honest
Originally posted by shin_gearsomething like that ✅
I disagree that the True Dragon Sword can cut through everything if that's what you meant, but it does have a more devastating effect the greater evil it counters...evil energy is what it counters best, and correct about its spiritual power being unfathomable. This is why despite the Dark Dragon Blade increasing in power the more evil is committed, the TDS proves more than a match for it. This is why both versions of the Devil Incarnate (V.E. and Murai) were overcome
Originally posted by shin_gear
Pretty much agree that a barrier will not stop Ryu from teleporting past it, but it'll have to be big enough for him to get in there, not to mention it seems unpractical...
Originally posted by shin_gear✅
I don't think telekinesis will do much against mind control...
Originally posted by shin_gearwe are talking about people like kil'jaden here, who could make people like illiden (who possibly has a change against ryu himself) scream and run in terror
I don't think Ryu's magic is on par with this guy's...WoW characters' magic are [b]ub3r from what I've heard...[/B]
Originally posted by shin_gearcan any of these go past the lichkings barriers though?..
It's a darn shame that some people don't realize that Hayabusa has more than ninpo when it comes to projectiles. The same chi that he channels into his weapons when performing ultimate attacks can be channeled into energy balls and shot at targets as shown in DOA4 twice, in Ryu's ending and Helena's, although I think you're overrating it. It can destroy an aircraft, but I wouldn't go far as to say it can vaporize it instantly. It did make it combust. Though it is true it disintegrated the one who was riding the plane, Donovan (the president of DOATEC) in the course of a second; that's what's very impressive about it, not to mention it travels at around the speed of sound
and Csdabest, what is stopping ryu from getting killed by a single, instant kill death coil? its completely unavoidable, and cannot be blocked..
Originally posted by shin_gear
Not so sure if Ryu still being himself after receiving the curse has much to do with mind control. I mean, he was cursed and was still pretty much himself...does that count as resisting mind control, not too sure about that to be honest.I disagree that the True Dragon Sword can cut through everything if that's what you meant, but it does have a more devastating effect the greater evil it counters...evil energy is what it counters best, and correct about its spiritual power being unfathomable. This is why despite the Dark Dragon Blade increasing in power the more evil is committed, the TDS proves more than a match for it. This is why both versions of the Devil Incarnate (V.E. and Murai) were overcome.
Pretty much agree that a barrier will not stop Ryu from teleporting past it, but it'll have to be big enough for him to get in there, not to mention it seems unpractical...
I don't think telekinesis will do much against mind control...
I don't think Ryu's magic is on par with this guy's...WoW characters' magic are [b]ub3r
from what I've heard...It's a darn shame that some people don't realize that Hayabusa has more than ninpo when it comes to projectiles. The same chi that he channels into his weapons when performing ultimate attacks can be channeled into energy balls and shot at targets as shown in DOA4 twice, in Ryu's ending and Helena's, although I think you're overrating it. It can destroy an aircraft, but I wouldn't go far as to say it can vaporize it instantly. It did make it combust. Though it is true it disintegrated the one who was riding the plane, Donovan (the president of DOATEC) in the course of a second; that's what's very impressive about it, not to mention it travels at around the speed of sound. [/B]
Originally posted by Csdabest
Like i said...Bias fan boy thread. I gave every reversal and counter to each ability he had. And all i get is. He cant do that. Even though his weapon shown and have been reported to do so. And who ever said Knocks away Ryu DDB. Just wow.And no has anwered my question of how can ryu reist someone mind control and possession who has enslaved an entire nation/empire into fiends but yet didnt do it to Ryu. Which clearly shows ryu has more than enough will power and mind resistence to resist the same thing as lich/arthas. But yet yall continue to say mind rape...Undead slave.
Magical barriers. True Dragon Sword basicly cuts through all with ease do to its unfathmoble spirit power and is high concentrated and effectvie aginst evil beings which Arthas seems to be an evil being. SO why wouldnt his sword work with aginst. I get nothing but. He cant do that.
Puts up a magical barrier. Why cant Ryu simply teleport behind the bayer and quick slash?. I havent seen a counter for that. So far out of all the video games, manga, comics, I have never seen anytype of barrier stop teleportation. Just physicaly stop things from passing it. Not teleportation. I havent seen nothing disputing this.
Another reason why Ryu just wont get mind raped or controled. Because he has telekenesis and has been provin. he used it to leveitata a rock with precision. Avoiding everything the VE thrown at him while at the same time comminting to his same type of precision sword play managing to defeat him. showiung high concentration and skill with telekenesis. Yet he will still get mind raped?
And tell me why is ryu ninpo will be soo vastly outclassed. Yes Artheas has experience. But someone can still be more experience but less skilled then someone in magic. Ryu has not shown any flaw and nothing but pure expertise with his Ninpo and his strength taking on fiends,greater fiends, and even VE. with it and the Devil Incarnate. But yet his Ninpo is able to hurt them and effect them but yet some how it still pales in comparison.
Also. What defence does Arthas have aginst Ryu Chi?. It easily within second cut through and incinerated a battleship instantly vaporising it. And just from on contact still with an energy stream adding more pressure and power. My guess and insight. Ryu supercharged CHi hadoken blast looking thing would rip right through Arthas Mana sheild killing him instantly aswell as vaporising.
Yet Lich can summon leagons of the undead to just battle ryu. Did you all even play Ninja Gaiden or any of them. He faced Legions of Ninjas, Military battalions, Fiends, Undead, 3 Greater Fiends, the VE, and Dark Deciple Devil Incarnate. Single handly with berly any real help. That was just one Ryubusa. What is that going to mean when Ryu Spams Spirit Clone and makes multiple just as strong copies of himself. So tell me again. how is ryu so easily pwned by this guy.
And remindme? What does having to control hero class have anything to do withthis. I can throw out random titles aswell. Controling Greater Fiends. Lesser Fiends, Fiends, Dieties, General class soldeirs. But yeah. I can throw around titles. I have not seen anything ryu cant get pass or havent got passed before stopping him from beating Arthas or getting completely stomped by him,
I'm far too lazy to reply to all that, so I'll make it short..
The mind-control of the Lich King is simple.. He penetrate the mental defenses of a person and tame them from the inside ((still capable of doing physical actions while taming)).. it's nothing at all like a curse.. The first and only famous person that has entirely broken out of the Lich King's grasp is Sylvanas.. Only if Ryu has a mental state above hers, I can accept that he resist his mental abilities.. However, I'm not saying that he doesn't have a mental state above hers, so I'll leave it at that.. To save that part from arguing, I say "Ryu resists his mind control", even though it's doubtworthy..
Then we have all the spells of the Lich King.. All homingly to their target.. Teleport wont do you any good as the spell will direct at him anyway.. WoW fancy mechanics, as well as seen in Wc3.. That's simply how the spells work.. impossible to avoid, even with teleport.. The only known way to dodge the attacks is by phasing out of existance ((See fairie dragon)) and Ryu cannot do that ((know it for a fact))
The arsenal of power that the Lich King holds is unfortunatly far beyond anything Ryu has ever fought before..
Let me try to illustrate how I think the fight would work ((without dialogues))
Ryu charges Ner'Zhul at his normal, vast speed or possibly even teleporting.. Ner'Zhul replies with a shock of cold, slowing Ryu down with roughly 65%, and at this point he lauches a death coil straight at him.. Ryu can possibly teleport without much use as the coil will follow wherever he goes in a rapid pase.. Despite the swordsmanship of Ryu, he cannot block or cut the coil in half as it's made of plain death magic.. He may get the idea to teleport behind Ner'Zhul and have the coil impact Ner'Zhul instead.. A good idea, for nothing unfortunatly.. Ner'Zhul is as good as immune to all death magic and stand uneffected.. Ryu may take the situation at use and try stab Ner'Zhul in the back, who unfortunatly Ryu has already predicted this situation.. A sidestep or possibly scratch on the heavy plate armor of Ner'Zhul will quickly be followed by an earthshock that launches Ryu backwards.. This quickly followed by another deathcoil..
If we imagine that the stab hit Ner'Zhul, he will stun Ryu and heal himself before continue the battle.. I'm sorry, but Ryu walks into a total slaughter.. The illustrated fight was with Ner'Zhul being nice and ruthful ermm