ime not sure, did it? i mean we see theres cuts in it but wether the hammer did that ime unsure of, but Gorehowl slices through the chest plate AND mannaroth with one hit, so his body cannot be of as great durability as you seem to think Utriga and Illidans speed is >>mannaroths, manourvarbility goes to illidan
the only way Mannaroth can possibly win is if he either gets a lucky hit or if his magic is truly so great he can repel illidan
Originally posted by Utrigita
I said they showed a high resistance towards magic. There was nothing to indicate that in the incident. He fact remains Mannoroths magic killed a Fel Hound Cenarius with his blast couldn't and Cenarius > Illidan.I'm not disagreeing that I'm just saying what a attack from the Doomhammer did towards Mannoroth and that will be nada. It is suspect.
If I was Illidan I would as fast as possible get in close for he isn't gonna defeat Mannoroth in a magical Duel that is for sure.
No but Illidan will take a fly if Mannoroth decides to flab those big wings of his. Get on top like he did to Arthas???
they have resistence thats for sure, also does Cenarius really>Illidan? Illidan has drank from the well of eternity and has been empowered by many artifacts what has Cenarius got? and dont say "hes a demi-god" its not good enough..
its suspect but then Gorehowl>mannaroths chest plate And his chest. one hitting him
not sure about this part, but regardless of beating him, he can still use magic, knocking and damaging him while he runs in, illidan can still move while doing magic.
i dont understand this part? illidan doesnt have wings in this combat otherwise it would be easy
Originally posted by Burning thought
ime not sure, did it? i mean we see theres cuts in it but wether the hammer did that ime unsure of, but Gorehowl slices through the chest plate AND mannaroth with one hit, so his body cannot be of as great durability as you seem to think Utriga and Illidans speed is >>mannaroths, manourvarbility goes to illidanthe only way Mannaroth can possibly win is if he either gets a lucky hit or if his magic is truly so great he can repel illidan
that is the reason I say it is debateble BT, a full hammer blow charged with the powe of a Shaman thats pissed doesn't phrase him but a "simple" sweep from a orc with a axe went straight through him. If you doesn't find that strange then...
I have never said that Mannoroths manourvarbility was better then Illidans did I ❌
If Illidan get in close then yes its possibly that is Mannoroths only chance, but as said before Illidan at times (nearly always) overestimate his own abilities, and that could be his fall.
I'm positive that Mannoroths abilities in the Arcane is superior to Illidan.
Originally posted by Utrigita
that is the reason I say it is debateble BT, a full hammer blow charged with the powe of a Shaman thats pissed doesn't phrase him but a "simple" sweep from a orc with a axe went straight through him. If you doesn't find that strange then...I have never said that Mannoroths manourvarbility was better then Illidans did I ❌
If Illidan get in close then yes its possibly that is Mannoroths only chance, but as said before Illidan at times (nearly always) overestimate his own abilities, and that could be his fall.
I'm positive that Mannoroths abilities in the Arcane is superior to Illidan.
indeed its a little strange, but you perhaps take into account many factors, maybe for some reason mannaroths wing is more durable than the rest of him or the unbelivable thought that Gorehowl>Doomhammer..unlikely, possibly the launched blow has less power behind it than Groms strength and rage, Grom was just as pissed off, id say more so than Thrall.
no you didnt, and neither did i, i was simply pointing out you seem to think highly of Mannaroths durability, although his durability is quite unkown considering how suspect the Vid is
only chance indeed, he may do, but Illidans deftly quick indeed, so he may be able to dodge almost any Magtheridon attack, or keep on the move as so he wont be hit, hes no fool.
positive, but on what? Illidan has been empowered by the well of eternity (magic so vast even Sarg wants some and goes to great effort to get it, Illidan drinks some ofi t however) not to menstion has been empowered by many, especially Mannaroths betters, Kil'jaeden and Sarg for example.
Originally posted by Burning thought
they have resistence thats for sure, also does Cenarius really>Illidan? Illidan has drank from the well of eternity and has been empowered by many artifacts what has Cenarius got? and dont say "hes a demi-god" its not good enough..its suspect but then Gorehowl>mannaroths chest plate And his chest. one hitting him
not sure about this part, but regardless of beating him, he can still use magic, knocking and damaging him while he runs in, illidan can still move while doing magic.
i dont understand this part? illidan doesnt have wings in this combat otherwise it would be easy
What artifacts to be precise and when has he drinked from the well of eternity. Cenarius Killed hundreds of Fel Guards and fel Hunters with his sheer strength when he went all out. Also just shimming through the first book the fel hound that toke a blast from Cenarius had peviously feasted of a tree with magical substance the reason why the Fel Hound toke it 😮 my bad later he kills one with a single blast sorry.
That's the suspect part.
I think I have showed that He isn't exactly going to hurt Mannoroth with the magic. And most likely Mannoroth will preform the same spell against Illidan as Archimond used against Malorne, which would leave him quiet in the open wouldn't you think?
But Mannoroth has wings.
Originally posted by Burning thought
indeed its a little strange, but you perhaps take into account many factors, maybe for some reason mannaroths wing is more durable than the rest of him or the unbelivable thought that Gorehowl>Doomhammer..unlikely, possibly the launched blow has less power behind it than Groms strength and rage, Grom was just as pissed off, id say more so than Thrall.no you didnt, and neither did i, i was simply pointing out you seem to think highly of Mannaroths durability, although his durability is quite unkown considering how suspect the Vid is
only chance indeed, he may do, but Illidans deftly quick indeed, so he may be able to dodge almost any Magtheridon attack, or keep on the move as so he wont be hit, hes no fool.
positive, but on what? Illidan has been empowered by the well of eternity (magic so vast even Sarg wants some and goes to great effort to get it, Illidan drinks some ofi t however) not to menstion has been empowered by many, especially Mannaroths betters, Kil'jaeden and Sarg for example.
But Grom's axe wasn't charged with the fury and the energy of a shaman.
In some way yes I do, but merely because the entire scene was used as a reference for Illidan to cut straight through him because a sweep with groms axe could.
Magtheridon??? No fool all showings of him has proven the contrary, he isn't the brighest star in the sky, and are normally extremely reckless and rushes to conclusions and underestimating his foes.
When did he drink from it? Sarg never empowered him only gave him the ability to see magical energy also we doesn't know to how great and extent Kil'Jaeden empowered him... If any for that matter.
Originally posted by Utrigita
But Grom's axe wasn't charged with the fury and the energy of a shaman.In some way yes I do, but merely because the entire scene was used as a reference for Illidan to cut straight through him because a sweep with groms axe could.
Magtheridon??? No fool all showings of him has proven the contrary, he isn't the brighest star in the sky, and are normally extremely reckless and rushes to conclusions and underestimating his foes.
When did he drink from it? Sarg never empowered him only gave him the ability to see magical energy also we doesn't know to how great and extent Kil'Jaeden empowered him... If any for that matter.
No, it doesnt matter, i still was the object that slashed striaght through Magtheridon, charged with the fury of a shaman doesnt neccerily mean it was far far more powerful than it is originall or beyond Groms own power, imo his own strength behind his axe is stronger than being charged with shaman energy, not to menstion hammers are blunt weapons, its not neccerily going to do as much physical damage than a axe unless it was thrown with enough power to break through the wing, which ofcourse it did not.
he didnt drink it, i just read the story through, he merely stole it, soz. Although he has many artifacts that powers him, his mystic fire eyes given to him by Sargerus, Kil'jaedens further empowerment and the Orb of kil'jaeden, the skull of Gul'dan. Not to menstion he has vials of the well of eternity. Before any of these events, he is known to be one of the most powerful spell castsers alive when he was just an elf.
Originally posted by Burning thought
pff i would wtf pwn Cenarious with a shovel....damn goof, the truth is he used to be Rudolf, Santas Reindeer before he got sacked then runs around going "ime a demi-God i cant be pwned by chaos Orcs!111oneone!1"
Illidan got captured by Maive and elves, it's easier to kill someone than capture.....
thats certainly what id think, but for some reason it causes no damage, so it must be a "his own strength from grom">"Thralls empowered throw", maybe if Thrall ran at Mannaroth and smashed him with it, it would of been much more effective.
Cenarius is above illidan on what grounds btw? what has Cenarius done, i have not read the sunwell trilogy
Originally posted by Burning thought
thats certainly what id think, but for some reason it causes no damage, so it must be a "his own strength from grom">"Thralls empowered throw", maybe if Thrall ran at Mannaroth and smashed him with it, it would of been much more effective.Cenarius is above illidan on what grounds btw? what has Cenarius done, i have not read the sunwell trilogy
Grom >>> Thrall 😛
But death of Mannoroth is PIBS
His mother is Elune, is that not enough?
His father is Malorne, the Stag with all power over nature, which Cenarius inherited
Originally posted by Burning thought
No, it doesnt matter, i still was the object that slashed striaght through Magtheridon, charged with the fury of a shaman doesnt neccerily mean it was far far more powerful than it is originall or beyond Groms own power, imo his own strength behind his axe is stronger than being charged with shaman energy, not to menstion hammers are blunt weapons, its not neccerily going to do as much physical damage than a axe unless it was thrown with enough power to break through the wing, which ofcourse it did not.he didnt drink it, i just read the story through, he merely stole it, soz. Although he has many artifacts that powers him, his mystic fire eyes given to him by Sargerus, Kil'jaedens further empowerment and the Orb of kil'jaeden, the skull of Gul'dan. Not to menstion he has vials of the well of eternity. Before any of these events, he is known to be one of the most powerful spell castsers alive when he was just an elf.
If it didn't have any effect charging it would you then be kind enough to tell me why he did charge it??? No it didn't break through the wing because it abviously couldn't, but a axe can cut straight through the a breast plate and his skin put a Hammer charged with Thralls power (that hurted Archimond) cannot 🤨
Yep he did ✅ Now you are asking for proof about Cenarius > Illidan how about giving me some proof of Illidan having gained a upgrade from Kil'Jaeden other then having gained the orb. Also the Vials that he filled was used to create a new Well of Eternity so it wasn't a lasting upgrade. Sarg was and the Skull but that's about it, unless you can find proof that Kil'Jaeden actually empowered him.
not at all is it not enough....if hes done nothing at all amazing hes nothing on illidan, his power is over nature alone afaik as well, wheras illidan has incredible capabilities over many magics, fire, shadow, all other magic elves know of due to his mastery. Oddly he only uses shadow and flame for some reason in the games however, yet all elves mostly have connection to nature and incredible arcane magics. And Illidan is suggested to be one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful to excist of them.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Cenarius is above illidan on what grounds btw? what has Cenarius done, i have not read the sunwell trilogy
He singlehanded defeated hundreds of Fel Guards and Fel Hounds. With his own physical might and look above, I concure his blast can easily kill a normal Fel Hound.
Originally posted by Burning thought
not at all is it not enough....if hes done nothing at all amazing hes nothing on illidan, his power is over nature alone afaik as well, wheras illidan has incredible capabilities over many magics, fire, shadow, all other magic elves know of due to his mastery. Oddly he only uses shadow and flame for some reason in the games however, yet all elves mostly have connection to nature and incredible arcane magics. And Illidan is suggested to be one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful to excist of them.
Illidan was the most powerful after the sundering thats correct.
Also Cenarius could draw on the same energies as the night elfs but he choosed not to because of him knowing that magic is chaotic by nature and corrupting for the soul hence his reason for not knowing it.
But you are suggesting that a being that went toe to toe with Archimond for just a few minutes could be defeated by Illidan how was trembling with fear of the thought on Kil'Jaeden fighting him.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIf i explain further i will dub you a know-nothing on the warcrat Universe, now, back down from the Cenarius vs Illidan debate
not at all is it not enough....if hes done nothing at all amazing hes nothing on illidan, his power is over nature alone afaik as well, wheras illidan has incredible capabilities over many magics, fire, shadow, all other magic elves know of due to his mastery. Oddly he only uses shadow and flame for some reason in the games however, yet all elves mostly have connection to nature and incredible arcane magics. And Illidan is suggested to be one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful to excist of them.
Originally posted by Utrigita
If it didn't have any effect charging it would you then be kind enough to tell me why he did charge it??? No it didn't break through the wing because it abviously couldn't, but a axe can cut straight through the a breast plate and his skin put a Hammer charged with Thralls power (that hurted Archimond) cannot 🤨Yep he did ✅ Now you are asking for proof about Cenarius > Illidan how about giving me some proof of Illidan having gained a upgrade from Kil'Jaeden other then having gained the orb. Also the Vials that he filled was used to create a new Well of Eternity so it wasn't a lasting upgrade. Sarg was and the Skull but that's about it, unless you can find proof that Kil'Jaeden actually empowered him.
I didnt mean to imply charging it didnt add to its effect, it just wasnt granted "far" beyond powers imo, for all we know charging it had only given him the power to launch it with the distance he did so. Regardless gorehowl did cleave through, also what do you mean hurt Archimonde, hurting isnt= to damaging/destroying body but regardless, how can you be so sure he put as much power into his hammer as he did into harming archimonde?
Wow wiki
Illidan was further empowered by the demon and granted the Orb of Kil'jaeden to aid him in this task.
so Kiljaeden, Sarg, his own super magic powers+Skull of Gul'dan...hes been modified hell of a lot, so what the hell has Mannaroth got to back up his magic capacity?