Originally posted by Remindme
If i explain further i will dub you a know-nothing on the warcrat Universe, now, back down from the Cenarius vs Illidan debate
🙄 yeh right, a know nothing, thats how i know all these things , i admit i know nothing beyond the games, ive only read like 1 or 2 books and that was a long while ago and i dont think they included most of the major characters we debate. Explain how you think Cenarius magic>>>Illidan so much? with his "nature" only powers shown in the games, he has no great feet in the games and in canonically killed isnt he, by Hellscream, your trying to say Illidan<<<Hellscream? hell no....Illidan has advantages over hellscream in a hundred and one ways
Originally posted by Burning thought
I didnt mean to imply charging it didnt add to its effect, it just wasnt granted "far" beyond powers imo, for all we know charging it had only given him the power to launch it with the distance he did so. Regardless gorehowl did cleave through, also what do you mean hurt Archimonde, hurting isnt= to damaging/destroying body but regardless, how can you be so sure he put as much power into his hammer as he did into harming archimonde?so Kiljaeden, Sarg, his own super magic powers+Skull of Gul'dan...hes been modified hell of a lot, so what the hell has Mannaroth got to back up his magic capacity?
No the scene shows a big flash of light coming when the hammer hits Mannoroth so it had a effect to charge it.
I would assume so since Thrall was pissed in both instances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8TS_S4Si6o
but do you know how much Kil'Jaeden empowered him 😉 just kidding I know that Kil'Jaeden empowered him but you are forgetting that Sarg never increased his power only made his sight better.
Being second only to the mentioned three (possibly four) before. That's backing him up quiet good, there is also no reason to believe that any of the mentioned would charge him to such a degree that he would get powerful enough to challenge the leading members of the burning Legion. Also even with the enchantments prior to Kil'Jaeden then he was just powerful enough to kill Tichondrious, who is below Mannoroth by a considerable margin.
Originally posted by Burning thought
🙄 yeh right, a know nothing, thats how i know all these things , i admit i know nothing beyond the games, ive only read like 1 or 2 books and that was a long while ago and i dont think they included most of the major characters we debate. Explain how you think Cenarius magic>>>Illidan so much? with his "nature" only powers shown in the games, he has no great feet in the games and in canonically killed isnt he, by Fel orcs
Cenarius's only poor display was being killed by demonically empowered orcs.....wait that doesn't sound so bad. Illidan would also have died in that situation also.
Illidan however, was captured by Maive twice, begs for forgiveness to someone who Cenarius is capable of fighting head to head and gets beat by Arthas.....
If you want to debate this, make a thread, but if you do prepare to be humiliated
Originally posted by Burning thought
🙄 yeh right, a know nothing, thats how i know all these things , i admit i know nothing beyond the games, ive only read like 1 or 2 books and that was a long while ago and i dont think they included most of the major characters we debate. Explain how you think Cenarius magic>>>Illidan so much? with his "nature" only powers shown in the games, he has no great feet in the games and in canonically killed isnt he, by Hellscream, your trying to say Illidan<<<Hellscream? hell no....Illidan has advantages over hellscream in a hundred and one ways
Killed by Chaos infused Orcs, also if I remember correct then the Nature Magic apparently > Arcane since Illidan was easily entangled by Malfurion.
Originally posted by Utrigita
No the scene shows a big flash of light coming when the hammer hits Mannoroth so it had a effect to charge it.I would assume so since Thrall was pissed in both instances.
but do you know how much Kil'Jaeden empowered him 😉 just kidding I know that Kil'Jaeden empowered him but you are forgetting that Sarg never increased his power only made his sight better.
Being second only to the mentioned three (possibly four) before. That's backing him up quiet good, there is also no reason to believe that any of the mentioned would charge him to such a degree that he would get powerful enough to challenge the leading members of the burning Legion. Also even with the enchantments prior to Kil'Jaeden then he was just powerful enough to kill Tichondrious, who is below Mannoroth by a considerable margin.
yes but being pissed doesnt mean he called the same forces, ime surprised he harmed Archimonde, i bet he must have called upon a greater or a diffrent power to harm Archimonde because his hammer blow doesnt neccerily mean he used the same power nor does his anger, does he throw his hammer at Archi as well? sounds queer to me.
😛 he empowered him, enough said on that matter. Also sarg, i think he increased his power, he gave him the eyes its true, but he also gained the magic infused tatoos on his body, surely you cant belive Sargerus did this to level up his "tatoo" profession to go and show off to his m8s 😉
being second only, thats his rank, legion commander but as Archiomnde says he can kill Mannaroth easily, and those below Mannaroth are not neccerily weaker than him by too many margins.
WoWwiki, Skull of Guldan
The battle for control of the Skull came with a heavy price and the artifact's powers changed him. Transformed into a demon, Illidan wrapped himself in shadow and utterly decimated Tichondrius and his forces
seems like Illidan did it easily, Tichondrius AND his forces, decimated, remember hes never tried this power on a being beyond Tichondrius, and he destroyed Tichondrius and his forces easily so i think your not giving him as much respect as he deserves when you say "only" defeated tichondrius, he didnt just defeat him, he completly decimated him and his forces.
Originally posted by Remindme
Cenarius's only poor display was being killed by demonically empowered orcs.....wait that doesn't sound so bad. Illidan would also have died in that situation also.Illidan however, was captured by Maive twice, begs for forgiveness to someone who Cenarius is capable of fighting head to head and gets beat by Arthas.....
If you want to debate this, make a thread, but if you do prepare to be humiliated
hmm fair enough, maybe you can "enlighten me" on cenarius 🙄
Illidan died? yeh, when he takes flight into the clouds and sends shadow and flame down upon them? pff.....
a lot of PIS, the thing is we know Illidan is capable of breaking out of these situations ,same with what utriga says, Malfurions roots, what about his fire powers? he can bath his body in flames as if in a non-pis situation he wouldnt just burst forth in flame and be free, yet Cenarians been killed by Hellscream, both on-ground beings, Cenarian with "great nature powers" gets destroyed by the crazed orc, theres no way Grom could take on Illidan.
Originally posted by Burning thought
yes but being pissed doesnt mean he called the same forces, ime surprised he harmed Archimonde, i bet he must have called upon a greater or a diffrent power to harm Archimonde because his hammer blow doesnt neccerily mean he used the same power nor does his anger, does he throw his hammer at Archi as well? sounds queer to me.😛 he empowered him, enough said on that matter. Also sarg, i think he increased his power, he gave him the eyes its true, but he also gained the magic infused tatoos on his body, surely you cant belive Sargerus did this to level up his "tatoo" profession to go and show off to his m8s 😉
being second only, thats his rank, legion commander but as Archiomnde says he can kill Mannaroth easily, and those below Mannaroth are not neccerily weaker than him by too many margins.
seems like Illidan did it easily, Tichondrius AND his forces, decimated, remember hes never tried this power on a being beyond Tichondrius, and he destroyed Tichondrius and his forces easily so i think your not giving him as much respect as he deserves when you say "only" defeated tichondrius, he didnt just defeat him, he completly decimated him and his forces.
Actually we know he did both was the ligtning element. Because in the Ingame Thrall doesn't throw his hammer 😬
And how does we know that those tattoos did anything but further enchant the eyes 😉 No I doesn't but we didn't see a increase in his power in the books afterwards.
please tell me where Archimond said he could easily kill Mannoroth I have overlooked that fact.
I said he prior wasn't powerful enough to kill Tichondrios but the Skull made so he could and again Tichondrios is a good potion of level beneath Mannoroth els Tichondrios if being more powerful would have been sent through the portal instead of Hakkar the Houndmaster.
Keep in mind that Sargares sended them through in order, Hakkar<Mannoroth<Archimond.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually we know he did both was the ligtning element. Because in the Ingame Thrall doesn't throw his hammer 😬And how does we know that those tattoos did anything but further enchant the eyes 😉 No I doesn't but we didn't see a increase in his power in the books afterwards.
please tell me where Archimond said he could easily kill Mannoroth I have overlooked that fact.
I said he prior wasn't powerful enough to kill Tichondrios but the Skull made so he could and again Tichondrios is a good potion of level beneath Mannoroth els Tichondrios if being more powerful would have been sent through the portal instead of Hakkar the Houndmaster.
Keep in mind that Sargares sended them through in order, Hakkar<Mannoroth<Archimond.
in the ingame? ime confused, in-game throws his hammer all the time, its his basic attack
your right we dont...but it sounds odd that they would increase the power of the eyes, all the eyes do is allow him to see magic, hmm, sounds a lame ability from Sarg himself.
he does indeed say it in Warcraft 3 reign of chaos, he says it when the buildings are being destroyed and Mannaroth is threatening a dreadlord and Archimonde teleports in and threatens Mannaroth saying mannaroth is like a ant or maggot in comparison to him or something like that, although i doubt i can prove it since looking i dont think anyones video that part of the game.
Originally posted by Burning thought
in the ingame? ime confused, in-game throws his hammer all the time, its his basic attackyour right we dont...but it sounds odd that they would increase the power of the eyes, all the eyes do is allow him to see magic, hmm, sounds a lame ability from Sarg himself.
he does indeed say it in Warcraft 3 reign of chaos, he says it when the buildings are being destroyed and Mannaroth is threatening a dreadlord and Archimonde teleports in and threatens Mannaroth saying mannaroth is like a ant or maggot in comparison to him or something like that, although i doubt i can prove it since looking i dont think anyones video that part of the game.
In the ingame he never throws his hammer when he uses the lightning spell does he ??? Also he makes a move with his hammer so a lightning bolt fly from his hammer.
I know but fact remain that he didn't show any significant increase in magica capabilities.
I doesn't remember that at all, I remember him saying something like this.
Mannoroth "the orcs are mine by right and I will chase them where ever they choose to run"
Archimonde Teleports in
Archimonde "And you are mine Mannoroth you will do well to remember that fact we will watch the waver orcs and wait despite there failer they may still proof useful to us."
Originally posted by Utrigita
In the ingame he never throws his hammer when he uses the lightning spell does he ??? Also he makes a move with his hammer so a lightning bolt fly from his hammer.I know but fact remain that he didn't show any significant increase in magica capabilities.
I doesn't remember that at all, I remember him saying something like this.
Mannoroth "the orcs are mine by right and I will chase them where ever they choose to run"
Archimonde Teleports in
Archimonde "And you are mine Mannoroth you will do well to remember that fact we will watch the waver orcs and wait despite there failer they may still proof useful to us."
correct, thats what is said. But dont you agree Archimonde could kill mannaroth easily, would you think Mannaroth of such a high level as to survive the same attack suc has finger of death that pulls enemies inside out, Archimonde as Darth has said several times has effortlessly with a gesture burst a massive dragon, larger than Mannaroth if ime not mistaken.
Originally posted by Burning thought
correct, thats what is said. But dont you agree Archimonde could kill mannaroth easily, would you think Mannaroth of such a high level as to survive the same attack suc has finger of death that pulls enemies inside out, Archimonde as Darth has said several times has effortlessly with a gesture burst a massive dragon, larger than Mannaroth if ime not mistaken.
I'm not arguing whether ore not Archimonde would kill Mannoroth because IMO there is no discussion needed, Archimonde utterly vaporises Mannoroth.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm not arguing whether ore not Archimonde would kill Mannoroth because IMO there is no discussion needed, Archimonde utterly vaporises Mannoroth.
oh i see, i thought you were saying you overlooked Archi easily killing mannaroth as something important and wanted me to prove he could easily kill manni
Originally posted by Burning thought
oh i see, i thought you were saying you overlooked Archi easily killing mannaroth as something important and wanted me to prove he could easily kill manni
Not at all I'm not insane 😉
Archimonde is one of the most powerful entities to have ever walked Azeroth in modern time. To put Mannoroth against him is to put a Tiger against a maggot.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Not at all I'm not insane 😉Archimonde is one of the most powerful entities to have ever walked Azeroth in modern time. To put Mannoroth against him is to put a Tiger against a maggot.
indeed 😄
but knowing WoW 25 muggy heroes will be bringing down Kil'jaeden in the expansion or some monkeyness
Originally posted by Burning thought
indeed 😄but knowing WoW 25 muggy heroes will be bringing down Kil'jaeden in the expansion or some monkeyness
They will bring down a unfinished summoned Kil'Jaeden this (I hope) is just a preview Kil'Jaeden will get his own Expansion I think, I mean Illidan got his and Arthas gets his so why not Kil'Jaeden the most powerful of them all.
on another note... They are ****ing the Warcraft up entirely
Originally posted by Utrigita
They will bring down a unfinished summoned Kil'Jaeden this (I hope) is just a preview Kil'Jaeden will get his own Expansion I think, I mean Illidan got his and Arthas gets his so why not Kil'Jaeden the most powerful of them all.on another note... They are ****ing the Warcraft up entirely
they are, its shameful. I think personally Kil'jaeden may come in a patch, although possibly an expansion, anything to drag their series on