Superboy Prime Vs Earth's Heroes (Slight Spoiler: Sinestro Corps: The Anti-Monitor)

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Ah good.

I had a question I wanted to ask you.

Who has Firestorm ever beat in a fight, that really held any merit? I mean, I see people like Surfer, and Thanos having a hard time with him on the boards, and I haven't figured out why yet. He also wtfpwns Black Adam.

He did things to Orion, and beat Kalibak... that's all I can think of. 🙂

Orion is equal to or superior to Superman more often than not. He will be fighting superman in death of the NG for current reference. Kalibak was uberly powered to be superior to Orion. Firestorm also beat Killer frost, who has given Kyle rayner a couple of fits, as well as wonder woman.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Ah good.

I had a question I wanted to ask you.

Who has Firestorm ever beat in a fight, that really held any merit? I mean, I see people like Surfer, and Thanos having a hard time with him on the boards, and I haven't figured out why yet. He also wtfpwns Black Adam.

He did things to Orion, and beat Kalibak... that's all I can think of. 🙂

He beat Killer Frost who pwned Wonder Woman the same issue, beat Multiplex, [a very powerful energy manipulator], toyed around with Orion a bit, defeated a powered up Kalibak, [who pwned Orion the very same issue].

That's pretty much all I can think of -- Firestorm's damn solo series is gone now... All we can do now is see what he does in other series'. 🙁

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Orion is equal to or superior to Superman more often than not. He will be fighting superman in death of the NG for current reference. Kalibak was uberly powered to be superior to Orion. Firestorm also beat Killer frost, who has given Kyle rayner a couple of fits, as well as wonder woman.

Good for Kalibak.

Was this when Kyle was a rookie? Wonder Woman... do I even have to type a response to this?

Plus, that's only three people named... not even close to solid enough proof to warrant wins on the forum. And people question Sentry?
I'm sure he has more, but I asked why he should be trouble to Thanos, and you gave nothing (actually, not a knock on you, just amazed by how little proof Firestorm has). Plus, he also beats Black Adam without a question, and some have considered him a superior to Surfer.

Let's see what Galan has to say. 🙂

EDIT: So, how would Firestorm's power work on BA?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He trapped Orion in titanium in the comic... 😐
On the average Orion is as strong or close to Superman, but really... titanium... 😐

Good for Kalibak.

Was this when Kyle was a rookie? Wonder Woman... do I even have to type a response to this?

Plus, that's only three people named... not even close to solid enough proof to warrant wins on the forum. And people question Sentry?
I'm sure he has more, but I asked why he should be trouble to Thanos, and [b]you gave nothing. Plus, he also beats Black Adam without a question, and some have considered him a superior to Surfer.

Let's see what Galan has to say. 🙂 [/B]

Most of it happens due to the former firestorms feats. Which are all with in the wrelm of current Jason. Plus Jason has more powers and is more powerful than the previous firestorm. And no need to be cute about wonder Woman. Killer frost gave kyle a hard time after he had been lantern for a while. She also gave Superboy and knock out fits. YOu really can't even touch her without shattering. She was amped by Neron.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu really can't even touch her without shattering.

Firestorm isn't physical, he manipulates energy. WW, and SB don't.

It's not exactly the best comparison.

Although, that is a good feat though, I'll admit, giving Superboy trouble.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
but I asked why he should be trouble to Thanos, and [b]you gave nothing (actually, not a knock on you, just amazed by how little proof Firestorm has). [/B]

There is VERY little a character like Surfer can do, that FS can't.

This is probably why most on the forum see FS as roughly equal to Surfer. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess I don't see how the characters FS has battled really matter?

He's taken out Kalibak. Wow.

Call me stubborn, but I just can't see him beating BA, and people like Superman (although he could probably take Superman because of teh weakness), or at that level in strength, and durability, unless that's all they have, strength and durability.

Originally posted by Galan007
There is VERY little Thanos or Surfer can do, that FS can't.

This is probably why most on the forum see FS as roughly equal to Surfer. 🙂

Plus, Surfer has some pretty damn powerful firepower.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Call me stubborn, but I just can't see him beating BA, and people like Superman (although he could probably take Superman because of teh weakness), or at that level in strength, and durability, unless that's all they have, strength and durability.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
It's all about execution. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Explain to me how said characters would beat FS. 🙂

Originally posted by 970 1410
Originally posted by Galan007
Not when FS can do pretty much everything Surfer can. 🙂

Plus, Surfer also seems a lot more powerful...

To me, Firestorm is the Polaris, and Surfer is the Magneto. 🙂

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Punching him. And using their speed and durability (to take enough punishment, if needed) to mount a reasonable attack.

[QUOTE=970 1410]Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Not when FS can do pretty much everything Surfer can. 🙂

Plus, Surfer also seems a lot more powerful...

To me, Firestorm is the Polaris, and Surfer is the Magneto. 🙂 [/B][/QUOTE]

You are not serious are you? How the hell do they punch someone who is intangible? Or ports in and out? And how does surfer seem more powerful? I haven't seen any limit to FS power.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Punching him. And using their speed and durability (to take enough punishment, if needed) to mount a reasonable attack.

And speed advantage? FS can teleport Nightcrawler style now -- And he's been able to travel instantaneously for quite a while now. 🙂

Originally posted by 970 1410
Originally posted by Galan007
And can't seem to pull it all together in fights as well as Surfer.

Plus, Surfer also seems a lot more powerful...

Anyhow,

Going to bed now.... G'nite. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are not serious are you? How the hell do they punch someone who is intangible? Or ports in and out? And how does surfer seem more powerful? I haven't seen any limit to FS power.

Besides phasing through Brimstone (otherwise, I'd argue Surfer going intangible in every fight, since he's done the same).

Don't get me wrong, remove the cis from Firestorm, and he's a beast. However...

I haven't seen any limits to Sentry either... *goes to Sentry vs Superman thread*

Originally posted by Galan007
Punch the intangible, eh?

This is really the only person off the top of my head that had strength, and speed that Firestorm fought.

So ask yourself this:
Is it pis?

Originally posted by Galan007
And speed advantage? FS can teleport Nightcrawler style now -- And he's been able to travel instantaneously for quite a while now. 🙂

That may pose a problem... for hitting him at least.

Originally posted by Galan007
He may seem that way to you, but can you name me a couple things which put Surfer THAT much beyond FS? 🙂

Destroy planet.
Create black hole.
Merge with planet.
Take a cosmic bolt from Korvac to absolutely no effect.
Get the pressure of a planet basically forced on him, and then break out (Korvac was doing it to him him).
Smash Super Skrull's face up with a punch.
Match Thanos's power output.
Control the Crunch energies.
Create another black hole.
Pretty much beat Stranger.
Etc.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ww34p11ji2.jpg

This is really the only person off the top of my head that had strength, [b]and speed that Firestorm fought.

So ask yourself this:
Is it pis?

So, he does multiple teleports in seconds?

That may pose a problem... for hitting him at least.

Start with some random feats that come to me.

Destroy planet.
Create black hole.
Merge with planet.
Take a cosmic bolt from Korvac to absolutely no effect.
Get the pressure of a planet basically forced on him, and then break out (Korvac was doing it to him him).
Smash Super Skrull's face up with a punch.
Match Thanos's power output.
Control the Crunch energies.
Create another black hole.
Pretty much beat Stranger.
Etc. [/B]

It's pretty easy, all you have to do is take Orions's superior feats to Surfer's and then compare firestorm to Orion.

on the subject of Superboy's Prime's magic resistance:

he also burst out of Raven's... dimension cloak thingy? I don't follow the Titan's. The one that's like Nightshade's from the Squad, but not? DC's Darkforce dimension?

Although he did take a lot of pain from that. It was one of the few attacks that actually shook him up pretty badly.

Which I would say pretty obviously shows that while he is HIGHLY resistant to magic, he can't claim that he's "immune"

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ww34p11ji2.jpg

This is really the only person off the top of my head that had strength, [b]and speed that Firestorm fought.

So ask yourself this:
Is it pis?[/B]

Because they are FAR worse. 🙂

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Start with some random feats that come to me.

Destroy planet.
Create black hole.
Merge with planet.
Take a cosmic bolt from Korvac to absolutely no effect.
Get the pressure of a planet basically forced on him, and then break out (Korvac was doing it to him him).
Smash Super Skrull's face up with a punch.
Match Thanos's power output.
Control the Crunch energies.
Create another black hole.
Pretty much beat Stranger.
Etc.

Anyhow,

Feats that would help SS get a solid majority over FS, when everything is taken into consideration, is what I was more or less asking for. 🙂

And please remember, I'm not saying FS would take a majority over Surfer or anything, just saying that they are, imo, roughly equal.

Anyways... I'm really going to bed now. 'Nite.

Originally posted by Galan007
Is BP using an armbar on Surfer PIS? Should I post those scans?

Because they are FAR worse. 🙂

What feats does Firestorm have that would write him getting hit by an extremely fast, extremely strong opponent?

Also, good reach. I mean, you said BA couldn't hit an intangible opponent. I showed you him getting hit.

Plus, these must be pis as well (him getting hit). 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p15.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
LMAO at some of these.

Anyhow,

Feats that would help SS get a solid majority over FS, when everything is taken into consideration, is what I was more or less asking for. 🙂

And please remember, I'm not saying FS would take a majority over Surfer or anything, just saying that they are, imo, roughly equal.

Anyways... I'm really going to bed now. 'Nite.

I don't think you do. However, him being roughly equal to Surfer, just won't cut it for me.

Night. 🙂

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Fact of the matter is, Surfer has feats to completely disregard that feat. Breaking out of holds by class 100's and the like.

What feats does Firestorm have that would write him getting hit by an extremely fast, extremely strong opponent?

Also, good reach. I mean, you said BA couldn't hit an intangible opponent. I showed you him getting hit.

Plus, these must be pis as well (him getting hit). 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p15.jpg

You asked for feats beyond Firestorm. 🙂 Laugh at them, I don't care.
I don't remember Firestorm ever throwing out some of the power Surfer did in some of the feats I named.

I don't think you do. However, him being roughly equal to Surfer, just won't cut it for me.

Night. 🙂

Firestorm held Thor at bay with GREAT ease in the CANNON JLA avengers. Inertron for the win. Surfer wont' be getting out and can't transmute it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Firestorm held Thor at bay with GREAT ease in the CANNON JLA avengers. Inertron for the win. Surfer wont' be getting out and can't transmute it.

That's nice.