Originally posted by Harry FingermanFunny that you talk about Surfer having feats to disregard the BP incident -- Then you go on to post scans of FS vs. Kalibak. 😂
Fact of the matter is, Surfer has feats to completely disregard that feat. Breaking out of holds by class 100's and the like.What feats does Firestorm have that would write him getting hit by an extremely fast, extremely strong opponent?
Also, good reach. I mean, you said BA couldn't hit an intangible opponent. I showed you him getting hit.
Plus, these must be pis as well (him getting hit). 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p15.jpg
Should I post scans of who won that fight? Because those somewhat 'disregard' the scans you posted. 🙂
And for the record,
I never once said it's impossible to hit FS, nor did I state that FS has never been hit... I just said that in a PIS-free scenario, it would be extremely difficult to do so, [as intangibility is an option FS has used regularly].
Originally posted by Harry FingermanMeh,
I don't think you do. However, him being roughly equal to Surfer, just won't cut it for me.
That's your opinion, but just so you know, you have yet to show me anything that would give Surfer the solid majority in a battle against FS.
You just seem to be digging for things to put FS down, instead of acknowledging what he has done... And I'm beginning to think it's pointless to debate this with you. ermm
Short sleep, eh?
Originally posted by Galan007Problem is, it doesn't matter who won that fight. You said BA hitting FS was pis. Kalibak hit Firestorm, random whip #1 hit Firestorm, etc. So, how exactly is BA hitting him equal pis?
Funny that you talk about Surfer having feats to disregard the BP incident -- Then you go on to post scans of FS vs. Kalibak. 😂Should I post scans of who won that fight? Because those somewhat 'disregard' the scans you posted. 🙂
And for the record,
I never once said it's impossible to hit FS, just that in a PIS-free scenario, it would be extremely difficult, [as intangibility is an option FS has used regularly].
How often does he use this in fights though?
Plus, wouldn't that be cis?
Originally posted by Galan007Works about the same as Firestorm being equal to Surfer I'm afraid.
Meh,That's your opinion, but just so you know, you have yet to show me anything that would give Surfer the solid majority in a battle against FS.
You just seem to be digging for things to put FS down, instead of acknowledging what he has done. ermm
I acknowledge what he's done, I also acknowledge that what's he's done, hardly equates to beating someone like BA, or giving Thanos, or even Surfer a lot of trouble... without cis.
Also, Surfer's raw power has created a black hole twice, what happens when he hits Firestorm with this level of attack.
Surfer has smashed SS's face pretty bad. What happens when he punches Firestorm.
Surfer has channeled the Crunch's energies. Could Firestorm do this?
Plus, if he can take a cosmic bolt that had enough power to easily destroy a planet, without any effect, then what will Firestorm's blasts do (that is, if FS uses heat).
What happens when he releases an omni-directional attack capable of destroying a planet, at Firestorm?
What happens when Surfer, for lack of a better term, speed blitzes Firestorm with blasts?
What happens when... etc.
Keep in mind, Surfer will be bloodlusted, and when he's been bloodlusted, he's fought a lot better (just like Thor does seemingly), or at the very least, a lot more powerful.
Also, these are all regular attacks (well, maybe not how much power he generates regularly, but not things like "he traps him in his boards!!!"😉. So, basically, these are all basic attacks from Surfer without going into more versatility.
Yes, he can go intangible, but he hardly does this all the time. He's been hit before. But, even if he does, he can't exactly do much damage to Surfer when he (FS) is phased either.
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Also, nvr. He trapped Thor in a bubble for a panel, or two... 😐
In the same comic Female Captain Marvel was draining Kyle dry of his power ring. 😐
Originally posted by Harry FingermanYou seem to think raw power is what wins every battle. Fact is, it's not. srsly
Short sleep, eh?Problem is, it doesn't matter who won that fight. You said BA hitting FS was pis. Kalibak hit Firestorm, random whip #1 hit Firestorm, etc. So, how exactly is BA hitting him equal pis?
How often does he use this in fights though?
Plus, wouldn't that be cis?
Works about the same as Firestorm being equal to Surfer I'm afraid.
I acknowledge what he's done, I also acknowledge that what's he's done, hardly equates to beating someone like BA, or giving Thanos, or even Surfer a lot of trouble... without cis.
Also, Surfer's raw power has created a black hole twice, what happens when he hits Firestorm with this level of attack.
Surfer has smashed SS's face pretty bad. What happens when he punches Firestorm.
Surfer has channeled the Crunch's energies. Could Firestorm do this?
Plus, if he can take a cosmic bolt that had enough power to easily destroy a planet, without any effect, then what will Firestorm's blasts do (that is, if FS uses heat).
What happens when he releases an omni-directional attack capable of destroying a planet, at Firestorm?
What happens when Surfer, for lack of a better term, speed blitzes Firestorm with blasts?
i.e.
What happens when FS turns the attacks you just listed into completely different types of energy, [as he has done before]?
But anyhow,
Really going to sleep.... g'nite. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007Nope, not at all. I'm just wondering what basic attacks from Surfer will do when he hits him with it.
You seem to think raw power is what wins every battle. Fact is, it's not. srslyi.e.
What happens when FS turns the attacks you just listed into completely different types of energy, [as he has done before]?But anyhow,
Really going to sleep.... g'nite. 🙂
Ignoring that Surfer has done this as well... he tries something else. 🙂
Plus, unless he directs it back, it won't do any damage to Surfer, and even if he can re-direct it, Surfer can and has taken planet destroying attacks to no effect. So...
Plus, if Surfer "energy blitzes" FS, will he be able to change all energy?
Will he be able to change that much energy directed at him into something else, anyway? I only remember Firestorm really doing this to Luthor (by using other blasts) as well, to be honest.
Good night. 🙂
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Short sleep, eh?Problem is, it doesn't matter who won that fight. You said BA hitting FS was pis. Kalibak hit Firestorm, random whip #1 hit Firestorm, etc. So, how exactly is BA hitting him equal pis?
How often does he use this in fights though?
Plus, wouldn't that be cis?
Works about the same as Firestorm being equal to Surfer I'm afraid.
I acknowledge what he's done, I also acknowledge that what's he's done, hardly equates to beating someone like BA, or giving Thanos, or even Surfer a lot of trouble... without cis.
Also, Surfer's raw power has created a black hole twice, what happens when he hits Firestorm with this level of attack.
Surfer has smashed SS's face pretty bad. What happens when he punches Firestorm.
Surfer has channeled the Crunch's energies. Could Firestorm do this?
Plus, if he can take a cosmic bolt that had enough power to easily destroy a planet, without any effect, then what will Firestorm's blasts do (that is, if FS uses heat).
What happens when he releases an omni-directional attack capable of destroying a planet, at Firestorm?
What happens when Surfer, for lack of a better term, speed blitzes Firestorm with blasts?
What happens when... etc.
Keep in mind, Surfer will be bloodlusted, and when he's been bloodlusted, he's fought a lot better (just like Thor does seemingly), or at the very least, a lot more powerful.
Also, these are all regular attacks (well, maybe not how much power he generates regularly, but not things like "he traps him in his boards!!!"😉. So, basically, these are all basic attacks from Surfer without going into more versatility.
Yes, he can go intangible, but he hardly does this all the time. He's been hit before. But, even if he does, he can't exactly do much damage to Surfer when he (FS) is phased either.
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Also, nvr. He trapped Thor in a bubble for a panel, or two... 😐
In the same comic Female Captain Marvel was draining Kyle dry of his power ring. 😐
hadnt' he been without his battery for a time when she did that? oop. you forgot about that?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
hadnt' he been without his battery for a time when she did that? oop. you forgot about that?
🙂
Kyle also got beat by Wonderman a bit, and Thor one-shotted Doomsday. 🙂
And just for kicks... look at the first panel. 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/aj-02-37.jpg
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Nope, not at all. I'm just wondering what basic attacks from Surfer will do when he hits him with it.
On that note, raw power does win a lot of battles, you must admit.Ignoring that Surfer has done this as well... he tries something else. 🙂
Plus, unless he directs it back, it won't do any damage to Surfer, and even if he can re-direct it, Surfer can and has taken planet destroying attacks to no effect. So...
Plus, if Surfer "energy blitzes" FS, will he be able to change all energy?
Will he be able to change that much energy directed at him into something else, anyway? I only remember Firestorm really doing this to Luthor (by using other blasts) as well, to be honest.Good night. 🙂
Firestorm turned a normal beam into an antimatter beam in mid blast,
not only does that show amazing transmutation abilities, but also very good reflexes, and with the ease that he does these things.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman🙂
Kyle also got beat by Wonderman a bit, and Thor one-shotted Doomsday. 🙂And just for kicks... look at the first panel. 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/aj-02-37.jpg
As i said, Kyle's ring was already drained. 2ndly, We dont' know what version of Doomsday it was. as for the first panel, it means nothing. She's being triple teamed and the panel is inconclusive. as her fight with herc was conclusive.
Originally posted by Sirius77You're talking about the Luthor one, aren't you? Also, those blasts were all in one direction, and they weren't coming for him...
Firestorm turned a normal beam into an antimatter beam in mid blast,
not only does that show amazing transmutation abilities, but also very good reflexes, and with the ease that he does these things.
Plus, it looked like they were continuous beams...
That still means nothing. 😐
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
You're talking about the Luthor one, aren't you? Also, those blasts were all in one direction, and they weren't coming for him...Plus, it looked like they were continuous beams...
That still means nothing. 😐
Actually, transmuting energy means ALOT. To my knowledge, Surfer has
never done that.
Originally posted by Harry FingermanAgain.
Ignoring that Surfer has done this as well... he tries something else. 🙂
Plus, unless he directs it back, it won't do any damage to Surfer, and even if he can re-direct it, Surfer can and has taken planet destroying attacks to no effect. So...
I'm not trying to demonstrate ways FS can defeat Surfer -- Just trying to show you that FS would roughly be Surfer's equal in a PIS-free battle, imo. 🙂
Originally posted by Harry FingermanKind of like when FS changed the numerous blasts from those who were fighting Luthor's hands, into a completely different energy type?
Plus, if Surfer "energy blitzes" FS, will he be able to change all energy?
Will he be able to change that much energy directed at him into something else, anyway?
And remember that every attack he changed, was different from the next, [which is far more impressive then if he would have just changed blasts that began as one specific energy type, into something else]... Or there's that fancy redirection technique FS knows. 🙂
Either way, I've still seen nothing solid which would lead me to believe SS can take the majority against FS.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWhere do you get "Kyle's ring was already drained" from? Oh wait, I know why his ring was drained, because Female Captain Marvel drained it! 😱
As i said, Kyle's ring was already drained. 2ndly, We dont' know what version of Doomsday it was. as for the first panel, it means nothing. She's being triple teamed and the panel is inconclusive. as her fight with herc was conclusive.
Plus, his ring wasn't drained when he got his shields broke from WM, and had to get Superman to save him...
Also, it doesn't matter what Doomsday it was, all are powerful.
Originally posted by Sirius77He transmuted that one Elder's blasts into harmless light...
Actually, transmuting energy means ALOT. To my knowledge, Surfer has
never done that.
Originally posted by Galan007By transmuting blasts?
Again.I'm not trying to demonstrate ways FS can defeat Surfer -- Just trying to show you that FS would roughly be Surfer's equal in a PIS-free battle, imo. 🙂
Wouldn't that be a no cis/pis/doing things they don't do on a consistent basis or even that much, battle as well? 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007Problem is, would be able to react to all of the attacks that Surfer drills out? I mean, Surfer won't just fire one blast.
Kind of like when FS changed the numerous blasts from those who were fighting Luthor's hands, into a completely different energy type?And remember that every attack he changed, was different from the next, [which is far more impressive then if he would have just changed blasts that began as one specific energy type, into something else]... Or there's that fancy redirection technique FS knows. 🙂
Plus, even if he does keep doing that to his blasts, Surfer would most likely speed in, and hit him with a shot... a couple shots actually.
Originally posted by Galan007OK.
Either way, I've still seen nothing solid which would lead me to believe SS can take the majority against FS.
I've seen nothing that Firestorm has done to make me think he's equal to Surfer either. Or a rough equal.
Surfer-lite though? Yes.
Originally posted by Merlyn🙄
Hey everyone, check this out:BP and Storm totally pwned surfer.
See? I can try to demean a character because I don't like them, too!
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually it does matter what doosmday it was. with the temporal changes, for all we know, it could have been DOS doomsday. thor is far superior to that doomsday. And for the record, the female captain marvel is teh uber. She has some of the best feats in comics for A non herald. Especially to be female and black. Something marvel heroes tend to suck at in spades no pun intended. And He was running low on juice when his battery got stolen correct? hence why she was able to take the last lil bit left.
It's still a good feat to one-shot him. Maybe even... questionable...
She's no Mar-Vell, that's all I'll say.
I don't believe he was running low on juice...
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Where do you get "Kyle's ring was already drained" from? Oh wait, I know why his ring was drained, because Female Captain Marvel drained it! 😱
*Which is absolute bullshit, especially since it was Female Marvel*Plus, his ring wasn't drained when he got his shields broke from WM, and had to get Superman to save him...
Also, it doesn't matter what Doomsday it was, all are powerful.
Actually it does matter what doosmday it was. with the temporal changes, for all we know, it could have been DOS doomsday. thor is far superior to that doomsday. And for the record, the female captain marvel is teh uber. She has some of the best feats in comics for A non herald. Especially to be female and black. Something marvel heroes tend to suck at in spades no pun intended. And He was running low on juice when his battery got stolen correct? hence why she was able to take the last lil bit left.
