Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by One-Punch
I think I've spent enough time arguing about the Triumph thing, so I'll just quote my final conclusion below as to why I don't think Triumph's powers are magic based.

If you found a statement or narration saying Triumph's powers were magic based I will immediately reverse my position. Promise.

Also Triumph displaying powers he hasn't had before is common for versatile characters. For example, Surfer only recently demonstrated he could attack in astral form, and also turn his body into elements like the snow and air. He's never done this before.

Yeah, remember when this power showed up??

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No you actually didn't, you only proved it to Rao. 2/3rds of the voters call your bluff. One Punch along kicked your teeth in. ODG crushed your logic as did Celly, quan, carver, inhuman and myself. Here is a breakdown of your unproved claims/lies:

Listen up punk, if all you can do is puff your chest and decalre yourself winner, that's not my problem.

But seriously, shut the **** up. Nobody did anything here except me.

- Triumph is magically powered
This was not stated or shown in the storyline. You had to go outside of the storyline to mount a defense for your boy and chose a scenario that was fundamentally dissimilar. Triumph was not a magical construct, end of story.

The only thing you have proven is the lengths you are willing to go to protect your boy.

And how far you can go to deny all on panel proofs. Bravo.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Forgot about that! I couldn't remember which character did that. Surfer could do that in his sleep.

Also, we can end this debate now. I have it on high authority that Surfer is the best of the best:

abhilegend

Originally posted by Bouboumaster_
High balled, but you have to admit that his feats can back him too, no?_
Yeah, totally. Surfer is the highest of high heralds out there for a reason BUT he has his limits, vulnerabilities and low showings like everyone else. To presume that only the high feats matter here is just foolish.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-564396-annihilators-vs-gods.html

😂 Archives are a *****. Apparently Abby's marriage to Superman doesn't exactly span decades.

baka

Originally posted by One-Punch
I'm getting tired of this "Triumph is magical" argument, when the facts don't support it.

[b]Here is a summary of the facts:

- The ONLY thing Triumph wished for was his old powers back, nothing more and nothing less. Except for better hair.

- Steel analyzes Triumph and says his powers are electromagnetic based, NOT magic.

- Steel designed a microwave gun to specifically counter Triumph's electromagnetic powers, and it worked! He walloped Triumph twice with it.

- When Superman fought Triumph he didn't show magic vulnerability like how he did when Captain Marvel two-pieced him, and magic was NEVER referenced.

- When LKZ and YZ merged, Triumph DIDN'T revert back to Billy Mac, his human form. This suggest YZ was not powering Triumph directly.

- Triumph describes his powers as electromagnetic, see his quotes:
example1: "I can feel Earth's magnetic poles again..."
example2: "I can see radio signals...and decode satellite transmissions"
example3: "I'll fry you with an E.M.P wave!"

- None of the characters who interacted with Triumph said his powers were magical. Triumph himself never said he was powered by magic.

- There is no statement or narration in the entire story arc that says Triumph was powered by magic. Zero! None! Zilch!

The evidence overwhelmingly suggest Triumph's powers were electromagnetic based, not magic based. [/B]

Figured.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Listen up punk, if all you can do is puff your chest and decalre yourself winner, that's not my problem.

But seriously, shut the **** up. Nobody did anything here except me.

So you chose to ignore on panel proof. Figured.

So again, ignore all on panel proof of Triumph displaying new powers and shit. Figured.

Suneater never drained Superman. Firestorm even says so.

Haha, WTF? Ray even says so that the sun eater even drained the body heat. Do you even know how to read? It wasn't a "drain ray". Sun eater drained everything simultaneously. Stop trolling.

No, it is fact. Specifically stated in the comics. Shut the **** up. If you have anything to add, say it. Ignoring on panel proof. Superman specifically says "Only it is created by Mxy's fifth dimensional magic which makes it even more dangerous."

Your opinion does not matter here.

And how far you can go to deny all on panel proofs. Bravo.

I'll have to report a category III melt down.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yeah, remember when this power showed up??

Actually Triumph is a character that will hardly be called "versatile" until he got 5D powered. His powers are shown to be very consistent until crisis time 5.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'll have to report a category III melt down.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Let me put it simple terms first you. Surfer DID drain Hulk if his gamma energy in combat. Triumph DID successfully drain Superman using electromagnetic means. Surfer DOES have control over the electromagnetic spectrum. Superman IS a solar energy battery. Why the hell would Surfer at some point not look to drain Superman at some point during the battle? I lied about nothing, by the way.

Ok let's see. So if a character has done something in a comic, even once in their entire career then they will automatically think of doing it in a forum fight?

If you say yes, then Superman uses intangibility and speed to avoid being drained. Or He blitzes Surfer with punches, hv, and freeze breath all at the same time, and knocks him out in 5-10 punches. Or Superman sings him out of existence. Yes, Superman has done everything I just said on panel, so he will definitely think of doing it in this fight according to your logic.

If you say no, then Surfer will not think of draining since he has had many long drawn out fights (some he lost) where he didn't eventually think of draining the whole fight.

Surfer eventually thinking of draining in any one particular fight is like . 01%.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Correct, So Mjolnir isn't powered by Strange just like Triumph isn't powered by Mxy.

Nope, Strange used the Odin force to restore mjolnir. So the OF is the main ingredient

Also I don't know if you can read but it was never claimed that Mr.Myx powered Triumph that is just another one of your sad attempts to distort the argument.

What was used to power Triumph up?... Oh yes 5D magic um that is basically the main ingredient 🙂

Originally posted by Surtur
Also Polaris brought Supes to his knee's by merely bending the sunlight away from him.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I think I've spent enough time arguing about the Triumph thing, so I'll just quote my final conclusion below as to why I don't think Triumph's powers are magic based.

If you found a statement or narration saying Triumph's powers were magic based I will immediately reverse my position. Promise.

Also Triumph displaying powers he hasn't had before is common for versatile characters. For example, Surfer only recently demonstrated he could attack in astral form, and also turn his body into elements like the snow and air. He's never done this before.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also Polaris brought Supes to his knee's by merely bending the sunlight away from him.

And surfer can bend light away from someone? Scans please?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't. Superman was absolutely fine throughout the fight.

And surfer can bend light away from someone? Scans please?

Abhi and Blue, both of you, cut it out.

Abhi, stop lowballing Surfer. And don't ask me where, because you bloody well know where.

Blue, stop bashing Abhi. You might not think it's bashing, but it is.

To everyone else:

There's nothing wrong with arguing that Surfer can drain Superman. You can even argue that he's likely to do it (I wouldn't agree, but **** it, why not); the only problem is draining him completely. As much as some people would like to say Superman can't resist/get around it, he can and has, as several of his villains straight out know his weaknesses and regularly try to exploit them.

People would know this if they read the comics.

And try to actually argue for the characters, guys? Seriously.

I agree, Superman has so much experience with those tactics from way more prepared characters that only if you unaware of those instances you will think is an insta win for surfer.

Also the Polaris example is lacking context.

Originally posted by -Pr-

People would know this if they read the comics.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Nope, Strange used the Odin force to restore mjolnir. So the OF is the main ingredient

Also I don't know if you can read but it was never claimed that Mr.Myx powered Triumph that is just another one of your sad attempts to distort the argument.

What was used to power Triumph up?... Oh yes 5D magic um that is basically the main ingredient 🙂

Might as well call Thor an Eternal since Mjolnir is "Celestially" empowered.

Might as well trying to stop tagging feats of characters that are displaying new powers under new power grants.

And I haven't read the story of the celestial but at this point is kind of redundant seeing how Truipmh is displaying NEW powers under a 5D power grant, which it leaves it at best as a dubious showing that cannot ba attached to the SS 🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't. Superman was absolutely fine throughout the fight.

And surfer can bend light away from someone? Scans please?

😐

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Might as well trying to stop tagging feats of characters that are displaying new powers under new power grants.

And I haven't read the story of the celestial but at this point is kind of redundant seeing how Truipmh is displaying NEW powers under a 5D power grant, which it leaves it at best as a dubious showing that cannot ba attached to the SS 🙂