Anti - Life Entity vs. Solar

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It is just one universe right? according to you you kill 616, you kill all of marvel. So one doesn't have to have omninversal power to kill marvel's omniverse right?

See that's where your mistaken friend.

If erasing 616 was such a breeze in the wind,
lots of cats would be credited with such a feat.

But I asked you, "how many cats have erased 616?"

And the answer is 4, only 4 individuals have been able to that.

1. Sis-Neg (was god)
2. Genis/Entropy (Marvel's recycler)
3. THOTI (was god)
4. Alien Entity (embodiment of Marvel)

That's it,

these cats below have been able to affect the Prime Reality:

Thanos with a CCU became 616.
Jaspers became 616.
Magus with an Incomplete IG merged 616 with a copy of 616.
Wanda Remade 616.
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You see, it's not as easy as you thought.

616 embodies the essence of Eternity/Infinity's Totality (power of the Multiverse)
616 is the foundation of the Omniverse.
616 is the source from which all of Marvel flows. (in terms of UniverseS)
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So one has to be quite powerful to erase 616 evidently.

616 is not just one common Universe, by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I still don't see how one can erase the 616 with jasper in it. say for instance the UN. How can it erase the multiverse with jaspers in it?

But Jaspers is not a guardian of Reality.

Jaspers is immune to nullification,
so Jaspers would survive withIN his Warp. (whatever the scale)
But unless Jaspers has Warped the Multiverse,
the Multiverse will suffer nullification due to the UN.

Originally posted by Mr Master
See that's where your mistaken friend.

If erasing 616 was such a breeze in the wind,
lots of cats would be credited with such a feat.

But I asked you, "how many cats have erased 616?"

And the answer is 4, only 4 individuals have been able to that.

1. Sis-Neg (was god)
2. Genis/Entropy (Marvel's recycler)
3. THOTI (was god)
4. Alien Entity (embodiment of Marvel)

That's it,

these cats below have been able to affect the Prime Reality:

Thanos with a CCU became 616.
Jaspers became 616.
Magus with an Incomplete IG merged 616 with a copy of 616.
Wanda Remade 616.
........................................................................

You see, it's not as easy as you thought.

616 embodies the essence of Eternity/Infinity's Totality (power of the Multiverse)
616 is the foundation of the Omniverse.
616 is the source from which all of Marvel flows. (in terms of UniverseS)
........................................................................

So one has to be quite powerful to erase 616 evidently.

616 is not just one common Universe, by any stretch of the imagination.

But Jaspers is not a guardian of Reality.

Jaspers is immune to nullification,
so Jaspers would survive withIN his Warp. (whatever the scale)
But unless Jaspers has Warped the Multiverse,
the Multiverse will suffer nullification due to the UN.

If jaspers exist, then the wipe isn't complete. thus the writing is a bit off to me. I thought you once said that no one could erase the universe that MJJ was in. I argued that mxy would beat jaspers by simply erasing the 616. You said Nothing could erase jaspers' universe. Of course i failed to say that Mxy could just unmake everything so that there was nothing to warp. But that was a different argument. back to the subject, The UN shouldn't be able to erase the 616 according to you. and it has. and it is less than the IG according to you. So the iG should be able to erase the 616 as well.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If jaspers exist, then the wipe isn't complete. thus the writing is a bit off to me.

What writing?

Jaspers wasn't alive when the UN remade the Multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I thought you once said that no one could erase the universe that MJJ was in. I argued that mxy would beat jaspers by simply erasing the 616. You said Nothing could erase jaspers' universe. Of course i failed to say that Mxy could just unmake everything so that there was nothing to warp. But that was a different argument.

I agreed with you,
no power below Jaspers should be able to erase the Universe Jaspers is in.

Actually let me re-phrase that,
no power below Jaspers should be able to erase the are Jaspers' has Warped.

His Warp is not Universal or greater right off the bat,
it expands at an exponential rate, but it starts at the scale of his own body,
and then grows from there.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
back to the subject, The UN shouldn't be able to erase the 616 according to you. and it has. and it is less than the IG according to you. So the iG should be able to erase the 616 as well.

The IG can surely erase 616, like I stated, Thanos became the 616 Reality.

Now Jaspers wasn't alive when the UN erased 616 as I mentioned,
so that's why 616 was erased along with the Multiverse.

And again, even if Jaspers was there,
if his Warp at that specific point in time was let's say just at a city size or Global,
then the rest of the Universe would've been erased save that city or Planet.

It's not the first time a single Planet has survived the implosion of a Universe,
in the Entity Arc (not Alien Entity) a What If,
Humans/Mutaunts evolved to their peak in an Alternate Reality,
they began smacking up Abstracts
and when Eternity & Death (the Totality of that Reality) left that Universe,
the Universe imploded into basically nothingness,
but the Planet the evolved Humans were in, survived,
because the Humans themselves protected it withIN a shell with their minds.

The Mutants died, because they had merged with Eternity/Death,
so when Eternity/Death stepped into a neighboring Void,
Eternity/Death created a New Universe from nothingness,
the Mutants were erased in this process.

My problem with THOTI had always been people claiming it erased MultiverseS, when all that was mentioned concerning 'verses' in THE END, was A Universe.

But since the death of the 616 Universe results in the destruction of every other Universe in Marvel, it makes perfect sense now.

Afterall,
If you dry up the infinite ocean -- You subsequently dry up EVERY infinite lake/river diverging from it. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
My problem with THOTI had always been people claiming it erased MultiverseS, when all that was mentioned concerning 'verses' in THE END, was [b]A Universe. [/B]

Actually G,
it was never stated anywhere that it was "A" Universe.

You won't find anywhere,
"A" Universe or "1" Universe or a "Single" Universe, or "One" Universe.

You will find "THE" Universe. (as in The Marvel Universe)

But besides that,
it was clearly stated on panel that more that "One" Universe was involved in the End:

Here Vishnu states that Aknehaten originated from the PAST of 616:
(Another Universe/TImeline that's connected to 616)

"Odd, that Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril emanating Ancient Egypt"

"Ancient Egypt" is still in existence in some Timeline,

4321 Timeline to be exact.
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Zeus summoning the rest of the Pantheons from other Timelines,

Like Horus:

"Tis also THIER Universe (like 4321) that be imperiled"

And Thanos says,

"meanwhile Doctor Doom was also having HIS Universe (616) badly shaken"
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It also tells us that Horus came from Akhenaten's Reality (whatever it may be)
But more importantly, it separates Doom's Reality (where the End is taking place)
with Horus' (where Akhenaten is from)
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Btw,

this is what Thanos was referring to when he said,
"Doom was also having HIS Universe Badly Shaken"

Originally posted by Galan007
But since the death of the 616 Universe results in the destruction of every other Universe in Marvel, it makes perfect sense now.

Afterall,
If you dry up the infinite ocean -- You subsequently dry up EVERY infinite lake/river diverging from it.

That's an absolute fact. ✅

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually G,
it was never stated anywhere that it was "A" Universe.

You won't find anywhere,
"A" Universe or "1" Universe or a "Single" Universe, or "One" Universe.

You will find "THE" Universe. (as in The Marvel Universe)

I merely stated that ALL of Marvel was described as one Universe, in THE END. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
THE Universe was used in the singular sense, describing one Universe -- The fact that Thanos destroyed ALL Marvel isn't what I commented, [as I know he wiped out the whole of Marvel].

I merely stated that ALL of Marvel was described as one Universe, in THE END. 😛

👆 Oh and uh, 😛