Kenpachi Zaraki vs. Kisame Hoshigaki

i dont agree at all with kenpachi having more reitsu than kisame has chakra. yes he has a lot but even kisame clone had more than kyuubi naruto. kisame isnt comparing to that. also, kisame has a great amount of chakra even by akatsuki sandards. furthermore, kenny doesnt have more reitsu than aizen or yamato. as the story developed, his unique place as the high powered yet skilless character has waned as currently we know a shinigami'c reitsu increases as they get stronger and isnt a set thing with which they had to work with like initially thought. we can also see that by ichigo's dad's explanation of how most strong captains wud be carrying zanpakuto the sizes of sky scrappers because of their huge chakra if they didnt seal them. {ofcourse he might have been hyping a bit when he said that}. kenpachi's reitsu is still lesser than a lot of the stronger bleachers out there.

Kenny's reitsu is one of the 3 highest, tied with Aizen and Yamamoto. Kenny's sword is always in Shikai, that is why it is not a skyscraper, and it is always in Shikai due to the fact that his reitsu is so enormous. And Kenny's reitsu is so enormous, that at full power, it spiraled in the sky and was knocking down buildings.

Also, Ichigo's and Kenny's clashing reiatsu was able to be sensed all the way to Rukia's holding cell.

really? cause ichigo and him seem to have pretty much similar reitsu potentials right now. neither of them is anywhere near aizen or yamamoto. one stopped ichigo's bankai with a finger and brought grimmjaw to his knees without even faintly exerting himself or using a technique. the other had etremely strong captains completely paralysed and bowing down to him without even thinking.
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Originally posted by leonheartmm
really? cause ichigo and him seem to have pretty much similar reitsu potentials right now. neither of them is anywhere near aizen or yamamoto. one stopped ichigo's bankai with a finger and brought grimmjaw to his knees without even faintly exerting himself or using a technique. the other had etremely strong captains completely paralysed and bowing down to him without even thinking.
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Originally posted by leonheartmm
stopped ichigo's bankai with a finger
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I thought that was a total illusion ^-^'

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont agree at all with kenpachi having more reitsu than kisame has chakra. yes he has a lot but even kisame clone had more than kyuubi naruto. kisame isnt comparing to that. also, kisame has a great amount of chakra even by akatsuki sandards. furthermore, kenny doesnt have more reitsu than aizen or yamato. as the story developed, his unique place as the high powered yet skilless character has waned as currently we know a shinigami'c reitsu increases as they get stronger and isnt a set thing with which they had to work with like initially thought. we can also see that by ichigo's dad's explanation of how most strong captains wud be carrying zanpakuto the sizes of sky scrappers because of their huge chakra if they didnt seal them. {ofcourse he might have been hyping a bit when he said that}. kenpachi's reitsu is still lesser than a lot of the stronger bleachers out there.

I don't know about Yamamoto having more reiatsu than Kenpachi. I'd even go as far as saying Kenpachi has more. I mean, even when one of his eyes were concealed by that reiatsu absorbing patch, he had enough power to make Ichigo piss his pants. He also had such a ferocious reiatsu that even when Ichigo struck with all his might, he couldn't even knick Kenpachi. Kenpachi... is a badass. But so is Kisame.

It's REALLY hard to say who has more "power."

kenny's reitsu is far lower than aizen/yamamoto/the two captains who fought yamato/ichigo's father/the lords of hell/the top espada including that former woman espada/ichigo{currently has more. he is also far stronger when in hollow or semi hollow form}/the top vizard/orihime{if u wanna call it reitsu}, possibly hitsugaya and gin ichimaru.

as i said, he started out as the huge power/no control character when it was thought that generally a character had a fixed amount of reitsu and cud only increase their skill. but now it has been confirmed that reitsu increases with skill and development as a shinigami, i very much doubt kenpachi holds the same position in the heirarcgy now.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
kenny's reitsu is far lower than aizen/yamamoto/the two captains who fought yamato/ichigo's father/the lords of hell/the top espada including that former woman espada/ichigo{currently has more. he is also far stronger when in hollow or semi hollow form}/the top vizard/orihime{if u wanna call it reitsu}, possibly hitsugaya and gin ichimaru.

as i said, he started out as the huge power/no control character when it was thought that generally a character had a fixed amount of reitsu and cud only increase their skill. but now it has been confirmed that reitsu increases with skill and development as a shinigami, i very much doubt kenpachi holds the same position in the heirarcgy now.

In that regard, I guess you have a point. Those characters have actually improved since they first appeared, whereas Kenpachi really hasn't had such a monumental jump yet. Although, in Kenpachi's defense, he is only at the beginning parts of his strength. He has no Bankai. no Shikai, doesn't know Shyunpo, doesn't know any actual techniques and doesn't even know the name of his sword. And to be able to have that much raw power at such a level is still pretty frikken impressive. It's hypothetical, but should he actually achieve higher levels, I can see him surpassing the others.

Kenpachi wins

no matter what

Kenny would be strongest in series if he achieved Bankai, let alone Kido and Shyunpo, that would be an unfair character, he couldn't be beaten by anyone in Bleach.

kenpachi doesnt win. and im sure in the beginning tito had kenpachi as one of the most influential characters in the series in mind. but ever since ichigo and friends have decended into hueco mundo, the story has gotten ****ed up.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
kenpachi doesnt win. and im sure in the beginning tito had kenpachi as one of the most influential characters in the series in mind. but ever since ichigo and friends have decended into hueco mundo, the story has gotten ****ed up.

Spoilers from the manga

Kenny is back after saving Ichigo from an Espada

Originally posted by superkronick92
Spoilers from the manga

Kenny is back after saving Ichigo from an Espada

Kisame still wins in the water, nigga.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Kisame still wins in the water, nigga.

Yup, and you've done an excellent job of refraining from saying it. *pats head*

i aint white
so i can say nigga right? 😕

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Yup, and you've done an excellent job of refraining from saying it. *pats head*