Kram3r gets a call

I don't really have much to say about the rest of your post, I pretty much agree. That said:

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So why was it ok for him to rip the balls of Vinny Valentine, then? You seemed to find that funny, so it must be case relevant.

Generally, Ken had every right to come in and say "Hey, I didn't think that was very cool. It's a sensitive subject for me and I'd appreciate if you didn't do that again." and ask for an apology, Kramer probably would have given it.

oh lets giev it a rest rolleyss

Originally posted by Strangelove
I don't really have much to say about the rest of your post, I pretty much agree. That said: a) the subject matter of that video was far less personal than the one in Ken's
and b) Vinny had no problem with it, as far as I know. He even made a "retaliation thread"

So it DOES partially come down to the target having or not having a problem, then? Point proven. If Ken came in and stood up for himself, but recognised it as a joke, I doubt there'd have been as much of a backlash, and if he came in and even enjoyed it, logic and your words suggest that you'd have said nothing.

Either say something or don't, but don't make that decision based on what somebody else does. You either think it's wrong or you do not think it's wrong.

Originally posted by Strangelove
He didn't say anything because he (rightly) assumed that he'd get ridiculed by RJ and other members of his ilk for "not being able to take a joke."

I doubt that'd happen if he came forward and took it as a joke, regardless of whether or not he liked the joke.

The point was, he treated it way more serious than it deserved, in my opinion. He was entitled to an apology if he said he felt offended, of course, but all he had to do was recognise that no harm was MEANT, and since harm was no intended by caused ANYWAY, I think Kramer would have apologised.

What RJ and others would do is between RJ and Ken, not sure why Kramer is the one catching all the flak for this.

-AC

and these are the days of our lives.....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So it DOES partially come down to the target having or not having a problem, then? Point proven. If Ken came in and stood up for himself, but recognised it as a joke, I doubt there'd have been as much of a backlash, and if he came in and even enjoyed it, logic and your words suggest that you'd have said nothing.

Either say something or don't, but don't make that decision based on what somebody else does. You either think it's wrong or you do not think it's wrong.

Vinny wasn't offended by a video about him. How the hell am I going to argue that it's offensive?

like sands through the hourglass.....

Originally posted by Strangelove
Say what you want, it's pretty hard to argue that a video/joke/whatnot is offensive when the target of said video/joke/whatnot doesn't agree. Ken was offended, I stuck up for him. And then he stuck up for himself. And then other people stuck up for him.

Vinny wasn't offended by a video about him. How the hell am I going to argue that it's offensive?

The point is that you wouldn't have thought it if Ken didn't, so it's you just waiting to see what people think.

Kramer made a video aimed at Vinny and Ken, both targeting their person. You either have a problem with him doing that or you do not, you either recognise he's doing it without TRYING to cause harm, or you do not. You can't pick and choose when it's right and when it's wrong based on the reaction of the target.

That's just silly.

You said you actually found his video about Vinny to be funny, so it's clearly not the idea of those kind of videos you have issue with. If you were JUST defending Ken's right to be offended, fine, but you were attacking the video, the idea of making such videos and going on like you'd never found him funny, ever.

I suppose pressure from members causes certain people to act certain ways, without you being an exception.

-AC

WOAH THERE..... we have to remember this isnt the GDF haeyes

Just Kiddin....

they say every man can be replaced...they say every distance is not near, so i remember every face, of every man who put me here...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The point is that you wouldn't have thought it if Ken didn't, so it's you just waiting to see what people think.

Kramer made a video aimed at Vinny and Ken, both targeting their person. You either have a problem with him doing that or you do not, you either recognise he's doing it without TRYING to cause harm, or you do not. You can't pick and choose when it's right and when it's wrong based on the reaction of the target.

That's just silly.

You said you actually found his video about Vinny to be funny, so it's clearly not the idea of those kind of videos you have issue with. If you were JUST defending Ken's right to be offended, fine, but you were attacking the video, the idea of making such videos and going on like you'd never found him funny, ever.

I suppose pressure from members causes certain people to act certain ways, without you being an exception.

-AC