Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If God is omnipotent then he has to have the ability to allow/not stop/whatever the fall.
Yet, what is the point of allowing it? The point of our creation? Why allow us to be evil and an abomination to Its name?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Bible never called him omnipotent.
Uh....that's not true.
It is referred to - and even refers to Itself - as the "Almighty" several times throughout Scripture.
Re: Prayer thread
Originally posted by the welsh one
do you prayer daily?i sometimes prayer but its always to help me. e.g- one time i prayed to god for it to snow enough so that id miss school. it worked 😄 though it could have been a coincidence (it was already snowing but not heavily). Do prayers like these work?
what do you prayer for or about?
also, is prayer the proper word?
so basically tell me you views about praying.
Yes.
I beleive it has some power, because I beleive that prayer subconciously clears our minds and allows us to focus on what we want.
Anyone who beleives in God or in the "Law of Attraction" will vouch that prayer has worked wondors.
Put it this way:
When I was younger, I had serious asthma. I was a toddler.
My grandparents who were very religious did a series of prayers and poured Holy Water over my head. A few weeks after, I no longer had Asthma.
I never got Asthma again, ever since. I am 21 years old now. And Agnostic/Atheist.
So no, I wouldn't make up a story supporting the existance of God. All I am saying is that Prayer may have power, but for reasons we may not understand.
I personally beleive its all about the Power of the Mind, but who knows...
Originally posted by Melcórë
Yet, what is the point of allowing it? The point of our creation? Why allow us to be evil and an abomination to Its name?Uh....that's not true.
It is referred to - and even refers to Itself - as the "Almighty" several times throughout Scripture.
"Almighty" just means he is the most powerful in all existance, or that he has dominance over everything that exists.
That's not literally the same as omnipotence. Omnipotence literally means you can do "anything you want".
Just because you have dominion over all that exists, over all possibility, does not make you literally omnipotent, only virtually so.
If the Universe is limitted, then God only has limitted power, and can only do things within a realm of possibility.
You can be "Almighty" but not Omnipotent.
Originally posted by SpearofDestinyThis is a very good explanation. Kudos.
"Almighty" just means he is the most powerful in all existance, or that he has dominance over everything that exists.That's not literally the same as omnipotence. Omnipotence literally means you can do "anything you want".
Just because you have dominion over all that exists, over all possibility, does not make you literally omnipotent, only virtually so.
If the Universe is limitted, then God only has limitted power, and can only do things within a realm of possibility.
You can be "Almighty" but not Omnipotent.
That doesn't seem right to me....as far as I am aware, conceptually, "omnipotence" and "almightiness" are equal, as are the titles "Omnipotent" and "Almighty," and "God" is referred to as such in all translations and versions of the Scripture....which would render them fallible if their statements were wrong....but whatever.
BTW: How could "God" have limited abilities over a universe that It created? That does not seem quite right, and would appear to go against all Scriptural evidence....although you seem to bring logic into the equation, which really has no place when dealing with religion....
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Originally posted by Melcórë
That doesn't seem right to me....as far as I am aware, conceptually, "omnipotence" and "almightiness" are equal, as are the titles "Omnipotent" and "Almighty," and "God" is referred to as such in all translations and versions of the Scripture....which would render them fallible if their statements were wrong....but whatever.BTW: How could "God" have limited abilities over a universe that It created? That does not seem quite right, and would appear to go against all Scriptural evidence....although you seem to bring logic into the equation, which really has no place when dealing with religion....
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unless it limited itself on purpose. ie freewill. i doubt god could take that back
Originally posted by SpearofDestinyI've been good. How was your break from the KMC?
Thank You.How have you been, long time no talk ?
Originally posted by MelcórëGod doesn't haven't limited powers over what He created. However, He does limit Himself. He cannot lie, and allows free agency.
That doesn't seem right to me....as far as I am aware, conceptually, "omnipotence" and "almightiness" are equal, as are the titles "Omnipotent" and "Almighty," and "God" is referred to as such in all translations and versions of the Scripture....which would render them fallible if their statements were wrong....but whatever.BTW: How could "God" have limited abilities over a universe that It created? That does not seem quite right, and would appear to go against all Scriptural evidence....although you seem to bring logic into the equation, which really has no place when dealing with religion....
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The real argument against omnipotence come from omnipotence being impossible.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I've been good. How was your break from the KMC?God doesn't haven't limited powers over what He created. However, He does limit Himself. He cannot lie, and allows free agency.
The real argument against omnipotence come from omnipotence being impossible.
In a roundabout way, that's what I was trying to argue....yet how can that be? If It created the universe, surely It is omnipotent - how else could It create the universe from what was seemingly nothing?
Limiting Itself may be possible, but is surely foolish....
Maybe I'm just a stubborn SOB, but I can't wrap my head around God being semi-omnipotent - It either is, or isn't. And hence does or does not exist, in my opinion. 🤣
Originally posted by Nellinator
I've been good. How was your break from the KMC?God doesn't haven't limited powers over what He created. However, He does limit Himself. He cannot lie, and allows free agency.
The real argument against omnipotence come from omnipotence being impossible.
Within the realm of possibility, God is bound by logic.
If God is honesty, than he cannot lie.
If God is Love, than he cannot be Hate or Hate (that's another story though)
If God is everything, than he cannot be nothing.
God cannot be omnipotent, because that would mean he could do whatever the hell he wants, without violating his own standards for himself and everything else.
There is a difference between Almighty and Omnipotent.
Almighty literally means you are the STRONGEST and MOST POWERFUL of all. However, that doesn't mean you are unlimitted. That just means you reach the highest limit.
Omnipotence literally means you can do whatever the hell you want. It's not about dominance or reign. Omni- means all. Potent - means able. You are able to DO all.
There's a paradox when it comes to omnipotence, which was discussed in other threads. There's no paradox with being "almighty" though.
Originally posted by Melcórë
In a roundabout way, that's what I was trying to argue....yet how can that be? If It created the universe, surely It is omnipotent - how else could It create the universe from what was seemingly nothing?Limiting Itself may be possible, but is surely foolish....
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Just because God may have created the Universe does not make him/it omnipotent.
If the Universe is limitted, which it may well be, than that suggests he may not be able to do more than that. The Universe has its own bounds, which also suggest God may have as well (if he is the creator).
If there is a void beyond the universe, than that means there are things God hasn't done, or may not be able to do.
It seems we will not be able to agree, SpearofDestiny. 😛
Your arguments do not make sense to me. How can God be limited in any way (save perhaps by self-limitation) if It created the universe? Even if It created the unverse and made it limited, this does not necessarily equate that God Itself is limited, IMMO.
Like I said above, I'm an SOB, so don't take too much stock in my opinion. 😛
BTW: The so-called "Void"? But is that not explained in the Scripture: The Void was beside the universe until God fashioned said universe....I've always believed that the "Void," if it exists, would be representative of "Sheol."
Originally posted by Melcórë
That wouldn't make sense. Would that not render Itself useless? I mean, It wouldn't have control over Its own creation.
god doesnt have to make sense. know why? it gives religion power. if its unexplained, it cant be questioned. hence why the church destroyed documentation and rewrote the bible
Originally posted by AllianceThey didn't trim it down. Those other books were never in the Bible ever. And they simply confirmed something along the lines of "no those books are stupid and were written well after the time of Jesus and contain some pretty wrong things in them."
THats why they severely trimmed down the number of gospels and books in the bible?