Sentinels Invade Heroes.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not for him he's corrupted the entire voting system in the U.S.A so that theyd vote for nathan once, a lot harder than dealing with one robot, D.L. could protect him and they dwalk up t osentinel (again intangibility) and micah could take control of it

It wasn't in the entire U.S.A. It was in New York. And they were all linked to each other. A voting machine is nowhere near as complicated as a highly advanced A.I. robot.

Again, D.L.'s intangibility isn't going to protect anyone, including himself.

How is that anywhere near re-writing an A.I.? How would Micah touch the sentinel if he is phased?

Originally posted by LordKaos
Which other Heroes have range powers to engage them? If they are on the ground what will D.L. be phasing? Their toe mechanisms? Micah will be stepped on. Making ATMs yield money, reactivating broken telephones and unscrambling pay-per-view is a lot different than reprogramming a highly advanced death machine with A.I.

I think you've misunderstood me, I don't me that D.L. will phase the machine, I mean that he'll phase Micah, only unphasing, say his hand.

Other characters with ranged powers in this scenario:
Sylar
Peter
Elle

Not to mention Claire and Takezo's healing abilities would allow them to have at least SOME survivability as a distraction. If Nikki has any kind of enhanced durability (which is possible, as she routinely has taken on men with guns without injury), she could pose something of a temporary threat. Not to mention HRG perhaps rigging some traps/heavy weaponry. I'd say that it is conceivable that the sentinels could be brought down to the ground to fight. Especially if the battle takes place in a city, where the sentinels will have to hunt for their prey.

You've got an excellent point about the added difficulties of Micah's attempt to control an actual AI. However, just because there is no real precedent for it, doesn't mean it's automatically impossible. Given the demonstrated nature of his ability, it's conceivable that he could pull it off.

Celestial Demon, how is D.L.'s ability not going to protect him? I don't mean to mock you, I'm just curious if I've missed an ability of the sentinels.

I hardly think that the Heroes are going to take a landslide here, but I do believe that a victory for them is POSSIBLE, especially with a full powered Peter on their side.

A full powered Peter can't even beat Sylar.

Originally posted by The Pict
A full powered Peter can't even beat Sylar.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why because you say so?

No. Because he's already tried and failed.

Originally posted by The Pict
A full powered Peter can't even beat Sylar.

Actually Pict, what I meant was just what I said, a full powered Peter, someone who is no longer learning to control his powers, but who has access to all of them and experience in using them.

All we've seen so far on Heroes is a Peter operating at very low levels of what he MUST be capable. We see glimpses of it, like in the final fight with Sylar, or the fight in the bar, but he's too inexperienced (so far) to use his powers efficently.

With the precedent set for being able to use multiple powers at once, he has the potential to be very powerful indeed. Think of Mimic. He could give the X-Men trouble, right? Peter is at least as powerful as Mimic, and I would argue that he is much MORE powerful.

He can fly (VERY fast), shoot lightning, create radiation (perhaps directionalize it in time?), phase, can heal very rapidly, read minds, communicate with (and possibly control?) machines, he has some TK (although its upper limit hasn't been demonstrated), super strength, AND control time. He's demonstrated the ability to use two of these powers at the same time, which is already pretty impressive, but what if he can use them all? He'd be quite powerful.

The problem with Peter is the problem with most of the Heroes, we've yet to see what they are REALLY capable of doing.

Based on potential, the Heroes can definitely pull a win. Based on actual showings, it would be a much less certain thing.

Originally posted by BentonGrey
Actually Pict, what I meant was just what I said, a full powered Peter, someone who is no longer learning to control his powers, but who has access to all of them and experience in using them.

All we've seen so far on Heroes is a Peter operating at very low levels of what he MUST be capable. We see glimpses of it, like in the final fight with Sylar, or the fight in the bar, but he's too inexperienced (so far) to use his powers efficently.

With the precedent set for being able to use multiple powers at once, he has the potential to be very powerful indeed. Think of Mimic. He could give the X-Men trouble, right? Peter is at least as powerful as Mimic, and I would argue that he is much MORE powerful.

He can fly (VERY fast), shoot lightning, create radiation (perhaps directionalize it in time?), phase, can heal very rapidly, read minds, communicate with (and possibly control?) machines, he has some TK (although its upper limit hasn't been demonstrated), super strength, AND control time. He's demonstrated the ability to use two of these powers at the same time, which is already pretty impressive, but what if he can use them all? He'd be quite powerful.

The problem with Peter is the problem with most of the Heroes, we've yet to see what they are REALLY capable of doing.

Based on potential, the Heroes can definitely pull a win. Based on actual showings, it would be a much less certain thing.

Originally posted by BentonGrey

He can fly (VERY fast), shoot lightning, create radiation (perhaps directionalize it in time?), phase, can heal very rapidly, read minds, communicate with (and possibly control?) machines, he has some TK (although its upper limit hasn't been demonstrated), super strength, AND control time. He's demonstrated the ability to use two of these powers at the same time, which is already pretty impressive, but what if he can use them all? He'd be quite powerful.

Peter's lightning is very weak. He used it on a person in Cork and they were fine a short time later. What is this going to do against a 60 foot high robot?
Also Peter standing around or flying while shooting lightning makes him a target. Sentinels fly at like Mach 10 I think was said. They aren't going to have any issues hitting Peter.
As has been shown he can be killed.
Super strength? Don't make me laugh, Nikki tears men apart. That's like her limit. The sentinels are highly durable machines. Capable of withstanding a lot more than the Heroes can dish out.

The only way the Heroes could win is if Peter goes nuclear, and I've already mentioned the problems with that throughout this thread.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Well said .

Not really. He's mostly talking about potential here, not actual showings.

Thank you Iceman, and you may be right. I don't know that there is a lot that Peter could do to the Hulk, other than freezing time and going nuclear. Depending on which incarnation of 'ol Green Jeans we're talking about, that might only make him madder.

Originally posted by The Pict
Peter's lightning is very weak. He used it on a person in Cork and they were fine a short time later. What is this going to do against a 60 foot high robot?
Also Peter standing around or flying while shooting lightning makes him a target. Sentinels fly at like Mach 10 I think was said. They aren't going to have any issues hitting Peter.
As has been shown he can be killed.
Super strength? Don't make me laugh, Nikki tears men apart. That's like her limit. The sentinels are highly durable machines. Capable of withstanding a lot more than the Heroes can dish out.

The only way the Heroes could win is if Peter goes nuclear, and I've already mentioned the problems with that throughout this thread.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This thread will go on forever but lets say Peter goes nuclear do you think he still wins?

He could. But like I said before the Sentinels can avoid it. The blast radius wasn't that large and those machines move at super-speeds.
Plus has Peter shown he can just "go nuclear"? No. The power built up over weeks.

Did you see the Jumper trailer pretty cool Peter can Pretty much do the samething with Hiros Teleporting power how do they counter him teleporting Micah inside them and technorapping them?

Here it is pretty cool stuff Nightcrawler times 5 http://youtube.com/watch?v=3T0R20HK_QU

Originally posted by iceman24567
Did you see the Jumper trailer pretty cool Peter can Pretty much do the samething with Hiros Teleporting power how do they counter him teleporting Micah inside them and technorapping them?

Peter has never even done this before. If Peter hasn't done something we can just start assuming he knows how to.

Originally posted by The Pict
Not really. He's mostly talking about potential here, not actual showings.

My point exactly, Pict. I don't think the Heroes have much of a chance based on their showings, although I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities for them to win, considering how little we've seen of their abilities. Which leads me to:

Originally posted by The Pict
Peter's lightning is very weak. He used it on a person in Cork and they were fine a short time later. What is this going to do against a 60 foot high robot?
Also Peter standing around or flying while shooting lightning makes him a target. Sentinels fly at like Mach 10 I think was said. They aren't going to have any issues hitting Peter.
As has been shown he can be killed.
Super strength? Don't make me laugh, Nikki tears men apart. That's like her limit. The sentinels are highly durable machines. Capable of withstanding a lot more than the Heroes can dish out. [...]

That's all we've seen him do with his lightning, whereas Elle (who we may assume is the source of Peter's power) completely fried a human being, so obviously we didn't see the upper limit of his power. It might also be possible that we didn't see the upper limit of HER power either, but that remains just speculation.

You're absolutely right, he would most certainly be a target, however, if, say, Storm can avoid the shots of a Sentinel, or Angel for that matter, then I think Peter may be able to as well. Nathan is shown easily breaking the sound barrier, and Matt implies that he's faster than a Jet in the latest episode (possibly). This being said, I think it's possible that he and the other heroes could keep the sentinels busy while Micah "hotwired" them, so to speak.

On Nikki's strength, you're right, it isn't much of a factor in the sentinel battle, I was simply making a point about his variety of powers. Mimic (who only had access to Beast's strength, which is porbably on par with Nikki's) gave the X-Men a run for their money. The X-Men routinely beat the sentinels, therefore, if we apply the transitive property 😉, Peter has some chance of doing so as well. (Although, granted, the lightning has not been shown to be ANYWHERE near as powerful as Cyke's optic blasts.)

Once again, we're dealing with potential, not showings, so perhaps it is a moot point, but I enjoy the speculation and imagine others do as well.

Originally posted by The Pict
Peter has never even done this before.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He has prep remember? He knows he can.

How?

Originally posted by The Pict
How?

Well, with HRG handling strategy, it's not beyond the pale that he might come up with something as creative as that.

My earlier points about strategy also didn't really talk about Sylar, who has some fairly decent powers himself including some form of enhanced durability (either using TK or some unamed power) as he's able to take gunfire with limited effect. It wouldn't save him against the arsenal of a sentinel, but it's possible it might keep him in the game a little longer. Plus, if he ever gets back on his feet, he'll have Candice's illusion casting powers, which have been shown to fool cameras. Therefore, it's (once again) possible that they are hard light illusions, capable of fooling the sentinels.