Originally posted by FistOfThe North
That it was given, and significantly, and particularly emphasized by a person whom is running for the highest office in the most powerful and wealthiest nation that ever was, kinda makes it so.To me it was very impactful. He said what he said with candor (the way, the only manner, this issue should (always) be addressed. Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, were not immune to the speeches blatancy. He made it clear that racism is still needs to be tackled, that it's still around just as profoundly as it's was before it's just now it's subtle. And that went for all races. You gotta love how he he used his influence and made everyone aware that there is an embedded, living issue, that we've all caused or have unnecessary burdened ourselves with generationally or mentally. And that issue is racism. Period. Which has done nothing but stagnate all races involved socially. From it's deliverers to it's receivers. Cause everyone ultimately, in some way, ends up being negatively impacted, naturally.
To me, In that speech, like Perseus holding up Medusas live decapitated head, he unveiled racisms' ugly face, and held her by the hair, for all to see in a way i've never seen along the lines of rhetoric, turning stone hearts into puddy, and by someone as influential.
I wish he spoke with a bit more passion or flare but that's ok. The message was epic, to me. Know why? Cause it was pro-human, truthful, and in your face.
In fact i can't even remember any speech given on racism given by a public official at all much less an influential one while i've been alive. (And no, Bush's pathetic 2006 n.a.a.c.p. appeasement speech doesn't count.)
He validated the anger of Rev. Wrights generation. What is your excuse?
If he'd spoken with more flair, it would have come across as an echo of Rev. Wright's sermon.
I think drawing a comparisson to Greek mythology is a bit extreme. Even drawing a comparison to Dr. King's I have a dream speech is extreme.
But, he did present a thoughtful speech that was delivered as though his audience was 300 million adults, which I think was the most important aspect of it. He also illustrated how those 300 million Americans aren't only the white, protestant descendants of English land owners.
And FOX News has spent the last 2 days absolutely tearing him apart, giving air time to every raving black lunatic that is too ignorant to realize that he's being used to counter Obama.
I'm starting to feel more and more like it's going to come down to Clinton and McCain, and that makes me feel sick.
Originally posted by Devil King
I'm starting to feel more and more like it's going to come down to Clinton and McCain, and that makes me feel sick.
Amen to that, I'm not Obama crazy, but choosing between Clinton and McCain is like choosing which bullet you'd rather be shot in the ass with. Kinda reminds me of Kerry/Bush in '04.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
If it makes you feel better, there's absolutely no good politician running for office right now. Even Huckabee didn't have my total support...maybe I'm just burnt out on politics.
I really think we need a strong 3rd party (or more), it will make the current two parties have to work for their votes and keep their promises; maybe we won't get the ass-clowns we're getting. But that doesn't pertain to "racism", so I digressed.
Originally posted by Devil King
He validated the anger of Rev. Wrights generation. What is your excuse?If he'd spoken with more flair, it would have come across as an echo of Rev. Wright's sermon.
I think drawing a comparisson to Greek mythology is a bit extreme. Even drawing a comparison to Dr. King's I have a dream speech is extreme.
But, he did present a thoughtful speech that was delivered as though his audience was 300 million adults, which I think was the most important aspect of it. He also illustrated how those 300 million Americans aren't only the white, protestant descendants of English land owners.
And FOX News has spent the last 2 days absolutely tearing him apart, giving air time to every raving black lunatic that is too ignorant to realize that he's being used to counter Obama.
I'm starting to feel more and more like it's going to come down to Clinton and McCain, and that makes me feel sick.
Validated? More like disproved. Didn’t you hear Obama say that he doesn’t approve of Rev. Wrong's extremist rhetoric and anti-american views?
And when I said flair I meant in his usual sly and charismatic way when he normally delivers a speech. He should’ve gave this speech in the way he usually delivers them.
And I didn’t think my analogy was extreme. I wasn’t really drawing a comparison in between Obama and Perseus: the individual men, but more the significance of the "action" taken which I considered mad courageous. No one would touch or talk about this issue cause it’s too taboo. But that didn’t stop Obama. He went beyond explaining himself. He voluntarily tackled the issue/problem head on as if he wanted to address the problem, aside from the controversy, personally.
And I agree. I also thought that his interjection of all ethinicities American made the speech all the more worthy of being a great and memorable one.
And of course FOX (faux) News is gonna crucify the guy. There isn't a more right winged channel and Obama’s as left as they come so; but this is my prediction, you’ll find it bizarre as hell but this is the way I see it.:
Obama vS Hilary – Obama wins
Obama vS McCain – McCain wins
(and if Hilary somehow manages an upset by or at the convention and becomes the D. nominee)
Hilary vS McCain – Hilary wins
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Validated? More like disproved. Didn’t you hear Obama say that he doesn’t approve of Rev. Wrong's extremist rhetoric and anti-american views?And when I said flair I meant in his usual sly and charismatic way when he normally delivers a speech. He should’ve gave this speech in the way he usually delivers them.
And I didn’t think my analogy was extreme. I wasn’t really drawing a comparison in between Obama and Perseus: the individual men, but more the significance of the "action" taken which I considered mad courageous. No one would touch or talk about this issue cause it’s too taboo. But that didn’t stop Obama. He went beyond explaining himself. He voluntarily tackled the issue/problem head on as if he wanted to address the problem, aside from the controversy, personally.
And I agree. I also thought that his interjection of all ethinicities American made the speech all the more worthy of being a great and memorable one.
And of course FOX (faux) News is gonna crucify the guy. There isn't a more right winged channel and Obama’s as left as they come so; but this is my prediction, you’ll find it bizarre as hell but this is the way I see it.:
Obama vS Hilary – Obama wins
Obama vS McCain – McCain wins
(and if Hilary somehow manages an upset by or at the convention and becomes the D. nominee)
Hilary vS McCain – Hilary wins
Who do you want to win, honestly? (I can assume that it is Obama...of the three major candidates left, that is my choice as well.)
The World is Lunacy
Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthYou are right. The speeches are big now because it is either a guilt trip on the personal race or in fear of personal disagreement from so-called existence of racism. Take your pick, geniuses.
Now, back to Obama.I thought it was one of the greatest speeches on racism in the U.S. ever given. I want to say "by a public official" but it's not like there's an abundance of speeches on race in this country by public officials. Whom are obviously the most influential. Well, most public officials are white, otherwise, why wouldn't it be talked about when it's clearly a problem, one of the biggest, if not the greatest social problem, in our society.
Whites are affected by racism too. Even if they may be on the side that dishes it, from this aspect, their on the receiving end of the bs cause they face like unnecessary affirmative action and other non-merit programs, quotas systems, etc. These issues effect them too. Yet when have you ever seen a grand, contemporary, mostly white, racial civil rights march or protest, unless it's to promote racism. NEVER! But they/everyone wants to remain divisive cause of fear and because race matters.
w/e.
Originally posted by Bardock42No, I was never a previous user @ KMC.. Is not everyone claim/ed "once white?" (I shall be back and will see what you respond/post.)
Is that Oncewhite and we missed it?
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloThat, unfortunately, has to be true. My bff is going into law. I so am not. I started in music, though I am more the type, and now I am going to state going into film after sabbatical. I could not take one more lunacy film without me being set to involvement. I am so the total physical/art. 🙁
If it makes you feel better, there's absolutely no good politician running for office right now. Even Huckabee didn't have my total support...maybe I'm just burnt out on politics.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Validated? More like disproved. Didn’t you hear Obama say that he doesn’t approve of Rev. Wrong's extremist rhetoric and anti-american views?And when I said flair I meant in his usual sly and charismatic way when he normally delivers a speech. He should’ve gave this speech in the way he usually delivers them.
And I didn’t think my analogy was extreme. I wasn’t really drawing a comparison in between Obama and Perseus: the individual men, but more the significance of the "action" taken which I considered mad courageous. No one would touch or talk about this issue cause it’s too taboo. But that didn’t stop Obama. He went beyond explaining himself. He voluntarily tackled the issue/problem head on as if he wanted to address the problem, aside from the controversy, personally.
And I agree. I also thought that his interjection of all ethinicities American made the speech all the more worthy of being a great and memorable one.
And of course FOX (faux) News is gonna crucify the guy. There isn't a more right winged channel and Obama’s as left as they come so; but this is my prediction, you’ll find it bizarre as hell but this is the way I see it.:
Obama vS Hilary – Obama wins
Obama vS McCain – McCain wins
(and if Hilary somehow manages an upset by or at the convention and becomes the D. nominee)
Hilary vS McCain – Hilary wins
Didn't quite get what he was saying, did you? He validated his anger, but disapproved of his statements. He said there were very legitimate reasons for his generation to be angry, but that the time for that rhetoric had passed. So again, I ask, what validation OR condemnation did you, personally, get from Mr. Obama's speech?
The analogy was very extreme. An exhaulted mythological character that vanquishes a source of his ills? Sorry, but Obama's problems are just beginnnig. He didn't draw the curtains on the dispute for anyone but his own democratic base. The FOX News republicans haven't changed their mind about a damn thing. And that's because the speech is being played on FOX via soundbites and are followed up by more black American men who are going on the air and playing the same puffed up villains they're supposed to be on there to counter. FOX News is playing this speech down, but these guys are going on there thinking the viewers of that channel suddenly had a revelation because of Obama's speech. They're giving the viewers far more credit than their history dictates they deserve. They didn't change their mind about a damn thing. Like I said, these are the same people who don't recognize a media bashing because last month Obama was a muslim terrorist and this month he's a honky-hating black christian. The rest of that paragraph, I have already addressed with an affirmative.
I don't think John McCain could win against either of them. The numbers in the primaries are indicative of a nation that is voting contrary to their own party lines, and that is overwhelmingly in favor of the democratic candidate, which ever it might be.
But, I am more than willing to conceed that the primaries are not the actual election. Many voters who will forego the primary election's are doing so because they know it isn't an actual vote for President; that comes later. But the numbers spread out over the consideration of that are holding to be true. So for every McCain voter that doesn't go out and vote in a caucus or primary, there are 2 democratic voters that aren't going out to cast a primary vote. But, I also think that we are more and more approaching a Clinton v. McCain campaign.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Who do you want to win, honestly? (I can assume that it is Obama...of the three major candidates left, that is my choice as well.)
I wanted my former Mass. Gov. M. Romney to win. My issue(s), out of a few, primarily lie with the economy. I thought he was the best man for the job. But he's still not out of it yet. I hear McCain's considering him as the v.p. ticket, which is excellent news.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I wanted my former Mass. Gov. M. Romney to win. My issue(s), out of a few, primarily lie with the economy. I thought he was the best man for the job. But he's still not out of it yet. I hear McCain's considering him as the v.p. ticket, which is excellent news.
just for interests sake, what is your opinion on rev wright. I see you call him rev wrong above, but he seems to be closer to the views about racial hierarchy in society that you hold that Obama is... Or Romney (I guess I'm just assuming on the last one)
Originally posted by inimalist
just for interests sake, what is your opinion on rev wright. I see you call him rev wrong above, but he seems to be closer to the views about racial hierarchy in society that you hold that Obama is... Or Romney (I guess I'm just assuming on the last one)
I believe he's a bigot. A racist, and a despicable extremist. He has a problem with the white race for his own reasons. As oppose to having a problem with racism. Which is how it should be because that's what the problem is and where the issue lies. the problems not with people, or a group of people, but the idea. And that's what should be attacked.
And he shouldn't be preaching at a Christian church with that type of "sermon". He's also a hypocrite, case in point: He's seemingly preaching hate, the very issue that Jesus preached against or condemned. Yet Jesus, the man Christianity worships, with the rev. often praising him, the very man who's teachings are the basis for Christianity, whom preached about tolerance and love and to *turn the other cheek (*which i disagree with) is being blasphemed by this rev. and his unholy sermon and anti-white racist rhetoric. It's fine hypocrisy.
I've never even seen or heard of a Christian church pastor or minister doing what he did. And i've been in a few, with spanish, black, and white preachers. And they sounded like they're were suppose to sound like: preachers preaching the good word with positive messages via the use of biblical scripture. This rev. sounded like he was at a N.O.I. congregation or Black Panthers rally. The rev.'s words were abominable.
I would've walked out of that church, md as hell, in the same way i would've walked out a predominantly whit church had a white preacher went on a racist rant the likes of this rev. Racism should not be tolerated or condoned. I don't care if you're white or black or hispanic.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I believe he's a bigot. A racist, and a despicable extremist. He has a problem with the white race for his own reasons. As oppose to having a problem with racism. Which is how it should be because that's what the problem is and where the issue lies. the problems not with people, or a group of people, but the idea. And that's what should be attacked.And he shouldn't be preaching at a Christian church with that type of "sermon". He's also a hypocrite, case in point: He's seemingly preaching hate, the very issue that Jesus preached against or condemned. Yet Jesus, the man Christianity worships, with the rev. often praising him, the very man who's teachings are the basis for Christianity, whom preached about tolerance and love and to *turn the other cheek (*which i disagree with) is being blasphemed by this rev. and his unholy sermon and anti-white racist rhetoric. It's fine hypocrisy.
I've never even seen or heard of a Christian church pastor or minister doing what he did. And i've been in a few, with spanish, black, and white preachers. And they sounded like they're were suppose to sound like: preachers preaching the good word with positive messages via the use of biblical scripture. This rev. sounded like he was at a N.O.I. congregation or Black Panthers rally. The rev.'s words were abominable.
I would've walked out of that church, md as hell, in the same way i would've walked out a predominantly whit church had a white preacher went on a racist rant the likes of this rev. Racism should not be tolerated or condoned. I don't care if you're white or black or hispanic.
so what are your feelings on malcolm X?