Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Yes. we are under constant mental assault.When was the last time you lived in the same House where your Mothers and sisters were rapped and brutalised?
Or worked with people that used to consider people like you animals?
Or fought to be accepted by said people?
When was the last time your girlfriend's Mom called you a ****** because you wouldn't let her have some money?
When was the last time a group of ladies clutched their purses as you walked by?
You belittle and mock them every time you tell a black person to "get over it".
Are you African American?
Do you watch the news?
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It merely changes states/forms.
Emotions are energy. Just like everything else.
"Constant mental assault"? Really, can you back that up with proof or sound reasoning?
Black people are not the only ones who's "mothers and sisters were raped and brutalized"... People of all colors and backgrounds have crimes done to them.
Same goes for the "work with people", racist exist everywhere and they come in all colors.
You got me there, my girlfriend's/wife's mother never asked me for funny, nor did she ever call me a n!gger.
No one ever clutched their purse as I walked by, but I've had black, Asian and Hispanic women treat me poorly because of my skin color. Does that count?
Please show where I said "get over it"? Also, I really couldn't tell you to get over slavery, as you were never a slave.
No, I am a Caucasian (Spanish/Italian)
Yes, I watch the news
Thanks Einstein, but were talking about racism, not physics.
So you're great, great, great, grandfathers "emotion-energy" is living in you now? Is that what you're saying?
Originally posted by chithappens
Point being that race does not eclipse money in the mind of a "business" man.Race is making people bicker over dumb shit. Black people are beginning to dislike Hispanics more and more because they are willing to do the same jobs for less money which could drive down the minimum wage. Sounds really familiar to different periods of U.S. history:
* White Americans - Irish immigrants > Immigrants - Black people > Black people - Hispanics (I skipped a few but allow me to be lazy)
Yes, the construct of race plays a part but that is forgetting that all races of people have the same kinds of issues with different obstacles.
True.
Green appears to be the goal, while the rest of us fight over Black and White and whatever else is in between.
However, it works because of the system and the emotions (values) that have been put in place.
Ex. Poor is Poor. But White is not Black.
My point is: No matter how poor you are, this is still your system. Built for you by You. Own it or not. Only in recent decades have other races been included/worked in (Thrown a "bone", if you will).
But Green is also a red herring because money doesn't really exist.
Someone gave it value and we adhere to the value, that's what makes money, credit or anything else REAL.
More slight of hand.
I recognize that all also but to forget either of the two is to be incredibly ignorant to any of the "truth" behind it all.
It is the very reason that I speak in moderation in affairs concerning race - what you are saying has merit but it is necessarily something everyone can identify with. Now if someone steps beyond their knowledge of something I am quick to correct them, but other than that I stay pretty neutral in racial affairs.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Constant mental assault"? Really, can you back that up with proof or sound reasoning?
I'll give you some terms to look up. See who they mostly apply to:
Black on Black crime
Black Vote
Racial Profiling
Universal appeal
Passing (or the ability)
Police brutality
Non threatening
Uncle Tom
Originally posted by Robtard
Black people are not the only ones who's "mothers and sisters were raped and brutalized"... People of all colors and backgrounds have crimes done to them.
I love how you diffuse what I've said by making it about everybody else.
Are you subconsciously dodging the question?
It wasn't considered a crime back then, because we weren't considered human.
No "Justice" was forthcoming.
So you had to hold that shit.
Originally posted by Robtard
Same goes for the "work with people", racist exist everywhere and they come in all colors.
This is true. But how many of those races have the History that we have.
White racists and Black racist hate for different reasons.
Originally posted by Robtard
No one ever clutched their purse as I walked by, but I've had black, Asian and Hispanic women treat me poorly because of my skin color. Does that count?
Yea, that counts.
How did it feel?
Originally posted by Robtard
Please show where I said "get over it"?
You didn't "say". It I got it from your tone when you said that someone else was "whining". If that was not your thought I apologize.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, I am a Caucasian (Spanish/Italian)
So would it be a stretch for me to say that I may have more interest in the information presented than you do?
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, I watch the news
Can you deny then how Black people are portrayed / represented.
Can you admit that maybe you never really thought about it?
Originally posted by Robtard
Thanks Einstein, but were talking about racism, not physics.
So you're great, great, great, grandfathers "emotion-energy" is living in you now? Is that what you're saying?
Yes. Through the passing of genes and genetic memory (pseudo science yes, but i think it holds merit)
Also, I believe that racism and hatred survive as ghosts in the machine if you will. Don't forget that Racism toward Black people wasn't just a feeling, it was also an institution.
Supported, regulated, and perpetrated by the United States Government.
Originally posted by chithappens
I recognize that all also but to forget either of the two is to be incredibly ignorant to any of the "truth" behind it all.It is the very reason that I speak in moderation in affairs concerning race - what you are saying has merit but it is necessarily something everyone can identify with. Now if someone steps beyond their knowledge of something I am quick to correct them, but other than that I stay pretty neutral in racial affairs.
You're alright with me.
And the attitude that you've got is probably the BEST chance we have at surviving what's about to happen.
The only defense is an open mind.
The truth is coming. And it will do more damage than anything else on Earth when it gets here.
I like to think of the "Truth" as the Hulk in WWH.
There's gonna be allot of explainin to do when it gets here.
And maybe a little Hell to pay.
Originally posted by BlueDMightyThis is true. But how many of those races have the History that we have.
White racists and Black racist hate for different reasons.
Originally posted by BlueDMightyNo. Hate is hate.
So..why does it matter if it is for different reasons? Hate is hate..you said it yourself you monkey.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Native Americans. Not exactly the same but sorta similar. IMO the Native Americans had it worse in that they weren't taken from their homeland, their's was stolen.
As was ours.
Have you seen the state that Africa's in?
However, I consider Native Americans to be in the same boat, and kindred spirits.
If not distant cousins and relatives.
I feel the same way about Islanders, Third world countries, Aborigines, and Mexicans. "Native" People in general. We all share WAAAAAYYY to many similarities to be anything but related.
Originally posted by KidRock
So..why does it matter if it is for different reasons? Hate is hate..you said it yourself you monkey.
Hate is hate.
The difference, my "friend", is the why.
For a long time White people hated Black people for being different.
This behavior had the support of the government.
Nowadays, SOME Black people hate White people because of the history of institutionalized hatred.
The two Hatreds are cause and effect.
One predated the other.
It doesn't make one any more powerful than the other.
But there is a difference.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Hate is hate.The difference, my "friend", is the why.
For a long time White people hated Black people for being different.
This behavior had the support of the government.Nowadays, SOME Black people hate White people because of the history of institutionalized hatred.
The two Hatreds are cause and effect.
One predated the other.
It doesn't make one any more powerful than the other.
But there is a difference.
no there is no difference. just weak excuses to justify hate on one hand, and condemn it on the other.
you're trying to feed us the idea that some people are justified in hating others based on skin color. not flying
Something I wrote a while back. Relates to this:
" I observe: Alone"
I observe:
Nose wide open cats
Who like lyrics 'bout gacks
And other raps that slaughter blacks
They embrace it, though they never lived like that
You conform with them as a defensive mechanism
Reluctant to confirm interest in Hindu and other “isms”
You play your part much better than me
You say smart man, I don't know what I'm trying to be
The word good is synonymous with all things
The word bad created to puppeteer the naïve
The Haves amused by the prosperity idiots bring
Struggling amongst themselves with tools of contradictive reasoning
Don't want to read, “Damn! That's too long!”
Up in the club, “Damn! That's my song!”
Don't get offended, I didn't point @ ya
This is just a thesis on how our culture is backwards
Don't worry 'bout fatigue, I'm not 'gon explain
Cause that takes a trip down memory lane
Civil rights: equality becomes integration, look it up
When fathers sent a lame precedent that continues today -
Daddy been lame for a while, that didn't affect your parents' smile?
That man affects my daughter and me,
With his lack of parenting
I'm sick of trying to be the individual to tell people what I see
Like they were born without eyes
How the **** I'm gon survive?
Alone
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I'll give you some terms to look up. See who they mostly apply to:Black on Black crime
Black Vote
Racial Profiling
Universal appeal
Passing (or the ability)
Police brutality
Non threatening
Uncle TomI love how you diffuse what I've said by making it about everybody else.
Are you subconsciously dodging the question?
It wasn't considered a crime back then, because we weren't considered human.
No "Justice" was forthcoming.
So you had to hold that shit.
This is true. But how many of those races have the History that we have.
White racists and Black racist hate for different reasons.
Yea, that counts.
How did it feel?
You didn't "say". It I got it from your tone when you said that someone else was "whining". If that was not your thought I apologize.
So would it be a stretch for me to say that I may have more interest in the information presented than you do?
Can you deny then how Black people are portrayed / represented.
Can you admit that maybe you never really thought about it?
Yes. Through the passing of genes and genetic memory (pseudo science yes, but i think it holds merit)
Also, I believe that racism and hatred survive as ghosts in the machine if you will. Don't forget that Racism toward Black people wasn't just a feeling, it was also an institution.
Supported, regulated, and perpetrated by the United States Government.
No one is denying "blacks" have had a raw deal in America, how am I trying to "diffuse" anything though? You're talking about injustices that happened long ago. Slavery is over, there was a war, hundreds of thousands died to stop it... Attitudes toward African American blacks have progressed a long way since then; also, not every "White person" in the 1800's was a racist slave owner.
No one alive today was a slave or owned a slave. Bringing up shit like "our mothers were raped by the white man" into present day thinking is nothing more than clinging onto hatred (which you never personally experienced) for hatred's sake.
"How many of those races have the History that we have?"In America, their native Indians got one serious raw deal... How many peoples throughout the history of the world were oppressed though? I'd gather quite a few, should the Jews of today hate the Egyptians of today for a few hundred years of slavery? Should the African Americans of today not only hold the "White" Americans of today accountable for slavery, but also Africans for selling their brethren to the slave traders?
Racist hate is racist hate... you're trying to justify one while condemning the other.
It didn't feel like anything really, I though "Just some racist @ssholes, oh well." I certainly didn't project that negativity onto an entire group of people simply because they have similar skin colors/features.
Yes, FoTN whines and compares his experiences, i.e. "I was called a n!gger" to factual slavery and oppression of years pasted.
Yes, I do agree you being "black", you'd have more insight than I would; though are you really being objective? That is another issue.
Yes, blacks have been portrayed negatively in the past, to some extent, still are... Look how far society has progressed, we have a black Secretary of State, a mulatto with a good chance of becoming President; those are just two examples. Why can't you see the positives? Why not stop blaming the bogyman for your shortcomings and failures and take responsibility for your own life?
No, I've thought about it... Have you thought about it objectively?
"passing of genes and genetic memory" Seriously, that is just downright dumb. If you're going to pass an idea off as factual science, be prepared to prove it.
The United States Government was also ended slavery... do you think slavery came to an end by the slaves themselves?
I have read a lot of wisdom and a lot of idiocracy these past 46 pages of posts.
Here is my "two cents".
I have experienced racism in multiple forms:
I wasn't treated as well by some teachers in public school.
I wasn't allowed to do certain things at some jobs (Such as attend product briefings and such. My co-workers wouldn’t tell me when the meeting was or they wouldn’t forward the e-mail onto me etc.) because of the color of my skin...and this impaired my abilities to perform my job.
I was rejected by women multiple times because of the color of my skin. (I did not know at first, in most cases, that it was my skin color that prevented dating with these women...or that my skin was preventing any type of relationship.)
One relationship I had was broken up by a two friends of I woman I was dating because her friends did not like the color of my skin.
Here is a little secret I want to share: I am Caucasian. The above race-based discrimination I have experienced in my life came only from African Americans.
At one job, it got damn near impossible for “a white person” to say anything without certain African Americans trying to find a reason to twist it into racism. It was a group of only 6 African Americans terrorizing an entire building of about 1000 employees. (And yes, there were many races employed at this job…it was only these six African Americans “messing” with people.) Even things that were not remotely related to race or racism, these 6 people would try to twist what someone would say into racism. It was horrible. They actually had an attitude similar to FOTN. I am very sure that these select individuals caused some people to become slightly racist. Amazing was just a few people can do to someone’s opinion of millions of people…that really sucks.
Why I am I telling you all this?
Simple.
I want you all to know that I hold nothing against African Americans based on a few of life’s experiences. I have had countless other positive experiences with African Americans so why should I let a few shitty experiences cloud my judgment? Why would I pass judgment against an entire people based of off a few bad experiences? I usually chose not to recognize race and instead chose to look at everyone as humans not as “blacks” “whites” etc. I am not a “tree hugger” but I do believe there should be a lot more forgiveness in this world.